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Old 10-15-2021, 10:50 PM   #81
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Wish Dos Santos would powerbomb Hager thru the announce table
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Old 10-15-2021, 10:54 PM   #82
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wonder why the crowd was chanting holy shit... idk what happened
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Old 10-15-2021, 10:54 PM   #83
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Wish Junior Dos Santos would hit a Canadian Destroyer on Jake Hager
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Did Sammy kill himself?
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Gonna start watching this now.... not gonna watch the "Buy-In" kickoff show because having a pre-show for a regular weekly B-Show is dumb, and if it really mattered they would put it on the main show.
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Oh, never mind it isn't up yet, this is last week's show.... not gonna watch it now
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Old 10-15-2021, 10:57 PM   #88
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Paige VanZant is good @ being a heel... has a lot of "personality"
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Old 10-15-2021, 10:58 PM   #89
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Dos Santos did a pretty solid job there.

Obviously Danielson/Suzuki was MOTN, just absurd stuff.
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I feel like, minus Danielson/Suzuki, this was a weird card for TK to hype to hell.
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Old 10-15-2021, 11:11 PM   #92
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My guess for the ratings tonight:

Smackdown - 1.1 - 1.3 million
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Old 10-15-2021, 11:14 PM   #93
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Sounds about right probably... I would say 1 - 1.1 for SD
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if a cable show brings in half a network show that says a lot about the network show tbf
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i still think twitch is the future of wrestling...feel like thats a completely untapped outlet. tna flirted with it but long after they had any momentum
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I tried to watch Danielson vs. Suzuki. I get what they were going for. They added color to the exchange. Suzuki popped me (and the obnoxious crowd) when he initially did something. I’ve forgotten what it was after just watching, but there was a great Suzuki moment where he stuck out his tongue. I was ready to go with it then. Before that, my analytic brain doesn’t “get” Suzuki in AEW. They kept hyping him as Danielson’s biggest challenge. The dude has fought Brock Lesnar. Now his biggest opponent is a dude who looks giddy to be there? I hate ragging on Suzuki, but he’s a fish out of water there. He has no menace. He got it back for a second when he liked something Danielson did, but then they did that forearm spot. Danielson just willingly put his head into it and went down like a sack of shit.

Wtf is this?

I appreciate Danielson’s creativity in coming up with “organic” ways to trade strikes and do the tropes. This just sucked though. Watch Brock and Danielson. Brock wants to get out from every kick so he takes each one on a different part of his body. He’s a big dude wriggling about in peril believably. This was just superficial gloss on top of a bad trope.

I had to turn it off. They’re both talented dudes, but this shit sucked. They’re just happy to do whatever they want and try to ply an asterisk onto what they’re automatically to do. Ugh. I saw through the chain wrestling before it because the masks were slipping. It’s by marks for marks. This is not wrestling. And the crowd trying to will it to be the opposite before they even do anything is just icing on the cake. This product sucks.
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Ratings are going to bottom out. I got in touch with my “pleb brain” for this. It didn’t make any sense. You have to will this to be good. I guarantee this tanks. They’ve ruined Danielson. Pissed away Suzuki.

By the way, wish I had called this: Had a feeling TK would do another time limit draw. Don’t know the actual outcome (hope it wasn’t a draw actually), but as soon as I saw that counter go up, I assumed it would be a draw. Figured he would do that to keep the match for NJPW. If he didn’t, ha on him subverting, but god damn. Still a pile of shit.
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I think you're on the money, re: twitch

I know when WWE had that brief show on FB it didn't get tons of views NOW but I feel like if they had a live show on FB over-time it would definitely get views if it was something like a RAW or SD
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i think facebook has proven to be a poor medium for video in general. its just not what people use it for. twitch though...i think that archetype is the natural evolution of television.
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it may not end up being twitch specifically but a twitch like platform...smells like money
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I think you're on the money, re: twitch

I know when WWE had that brief show on FB it didn't get tons of views NOW but I feel like if they had a live show on FB over-time it would definitely get views if it was something like a RAW or SD
Didn't they have a mixed tag tournament.
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Yeah. I remember Braun teaming up with Alexa Bliss. It was around the start of WWE trying to make Braun Strowman a fun, likeable baby face but having no concept of the subtleties involved in getting those kinds of characters over.
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Didn't they have a mixed tag tournament.
yeah

I think maybe Alexa/Braun or Miz/Asuka won but i don't remember at all, the eps were around 20 min each (I think...)
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That was also when Asuka was still undefeated so they had to either end her streak on Facebook or have her win. I think she won.
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it may not end up being twitch specifically but a twitch like platform...smells like money
You’ve been saying this for ages, and I think it just proves more and more true. Someone is going to figure out the recipe. I don’t think it will be Twitch, but something will pop with wrestling in that vein.
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Yeah. I remember Braun teaming up with Alexa Bliss. It was around the start of WWE trying to make Braun Strowman a fun, likeable baby face but having no concept of the subtleties involved in getting those kinds of characters over.
im not entirely convinced a fun likable baby is ever gotten over by the office. you cant manufacture what makes those work. at some point we'll have enough failures they wont be able to argue against it...
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i think tv is dead (obviously.) i just cant believe no one is looking into getting in front of the trends. nwa with their youtube show for example. its forward thinking to circumvent tv (not like they could get a deal but thats besides the point.) WWE is a YouTube powerhouse. they clearly see the revenue stream. the workers have made killings on twitch.


idea: wwe should air some house shows on twitch and see what they can drum up with that. no major production efforr. 3 cams. no commentary. keep it low budget. i bet they could drum up the cash to pay for the production crew bare minimum
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Old 10-16-2021, 12:55 AM   #110
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It’s by marks for marks. This is not wrestling. And the crowd trying to will it to be the opposite before they even do anything is just icing on the cake.
i can't stand that every match has to have "this is wrestling," "holy shit," "this is awesome," "fight forever," chants, overzealous fans have been a huge detriment for years now because so much of what we see now is, yes, shit. but this match was not bad, it was what it was in the current climate i guess. i was left wanting more which in itself isn't a bad thing
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Old 10-16-2021, 01:24 PM   #112
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Caught some highlights and Jesus, who is letting Bryan take stiff shots to the head like that??? I get he said he wanted freedom, and we all know Tony Khan is just a manchild playing with living toys who isnt protecting them, but fuck man.

This is a dude who had seizures and a brain lesion. His wife, sister in law, step father in law, or ANY of his friends cant tell him to knock that shit off?

Its not entertaining when we all know how bad the consequences for him could be.
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Old 10-16-2021, 01:37 PM   #113
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i think tv is dead (obviously.) i just cant believe no one is looking into getting in front of the trends. nwa with their youtube show for example. its forward thinking to circumvent tv (not like they could get a deal but thats besides the point.) WWE is a YouTube powerhouse. they clearly see the revenue stream. the workers have made killings on twitch.


idea: wwe should air some house shows on twitch and see what they can drum up with that. no major production efforr. 3 cams. no commentary. keep it low budget. i bet they could drum up the cash to pay for the production crew bare minimum
House shows are probably more fun too.
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SmackDown killed them, by the way. As it should be, frankly.
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I tried to watch Danielson vs. Suzuki. I get what they were going for. They added color to the exchange. Suzuki popped me (and the obnoxious crowd) when he initially did something. I’ve forgotten what it was after just watching, but there was a great Suzuki moment where he stuck out his tongue. I was ready to go with it then. Before that, my analytic brain doesn’t “get” Suzuki in AEW. They kept hyping him as Danielson’s biggest challenge. The dude has fought Brock Lesnar. Now his biggest opponent is a dude who looks giddy to be there? I hate ragging on Suzuki, but he’s a fish out of water there. He has no menace. He got it back for a second when he liked something Danielson did, but then they did that forearm spot. Danielson just willingly put his head into it and went down like a sack of shit.

Wtf is this?

I appreciate Danielson’s creativity in coming up with “organic” ways to trade strikes and do the tropes. This just sucked though. Watch Brock and Danielson. Brock wants to get out from every kick so he takes each one on a different part of his body. He’s a big dude wriggling about in peril believably. This was just superficial gloss on top of a bad trope.

I had to turn it off. They’re both talented dudes, but this shit sucked. They’re just happy to do whatever they want and try to ply an asterisk onto what they’re automatically to do. Ugh. I saw through the chain wrestling before it because the masks were slipping. It’s by marks for marks. This is not wrestling. And the crowd trying to will it to be the opposite before they even do anything is just icing on the cake. This product sucks.
This is probably the saddest thing I've read in regards to the Suzuki - Danielson match. While Lesnar vs Bryan was superior, it was on a much bigger stage. Also, Suzuki is 53 and Lesnar was 41 at the time. If you had to "turn it off", I don't know what to say. For someone who finds enjoyment in far inferior programs and superstars, I really doubt your sincerity, Mr Nerfect.
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Caught some highlights and Jesus, who is letting Bryan take stiff shots to the head like that??? I get he said he wanted freedom, and we all know Tony Khan is just a manchild playing with living toys who isnt protecting them, but fuck man.

This is a dude who had seizures and a brain lesion. His wife, sister in law, step father in law, or ANY of his friends cant tell him to knock that shit off?

Its not entertaining when we all know how bad the consequences for him could be.
Ignoring your strange obsession with Tony Khan, Bryan's history with concussions is certainly something to be concerned about. He's not someone to be taken at face value since he's lied about it in the past.
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lesnar/danielson was lesnar getting danielson over. lesner, with his immeanse credibility, selling big for danileson is a huge statement.


with Suzuki you need to get suzuki over.



very different needs with very different workers. i dont see the parallel
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Ignoring your strange obsession with Tony Khan, Bryan's history with concussions is certainly something to be concerned about. He's not someone to be taken at face value since he's lied about it in the past.
individuals should be solely responsible for their health decisions. he's a grown man.
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They did the "both guys stand there and take turns punching each other" spot that I HATE
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i like it when its established as a pissing contest deep into 30ish min match and not a throwaway spot
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