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10-19-2021, 06:00 PM | #202 |
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I watch AEW on streaming sites on my phone a lot of the times. I’m sure a ton of people do. I wish there was a way to track everything somehow. Impossible but yeah..
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10-19-2021, 06:02 PM | #203 |
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theres some tracking on that but its limited and moreover it can be included in over night data (and that we even use over night data is a joke in of itself because who the fuck watches things when the tv demands in 2021...)
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10-19-2021, 06:07 PM | #204 |
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I don’t watch Dynamite til Thursday mostly. Poker nights Wednesday unfortunately! weather vane loves gambling. Fucking loves it.
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10-19-2021, 06:07 PM | #205 | |
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10-19-2021, 06:08 PM | #206 |
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Will be interesting when AEW’s TV contract comes up. When is that?
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10-19-2021, 06:11 PM | #207 |
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It was extended until the end of 2023, with an option for Turner for 2024 at a "significantly increased price"
Also idk if they still do ad revenue sharing with the new deal they signed in 2020... that was their deal when they first started but idk if it still is |
10-19-2021, 06:16 PM | #208 |
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They seem to have a good relationship and value each other. Can’t see them going anywhere.
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10-19-2021, 07:02 PM | #209 | |
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10-19-2021, 07:37 PM | #210 |
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Guys, I just read that the demos of this thread are not doing good. Please liven it up some more.
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10-19-2021, 07:39 PM | #211 |
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18-49 males love boobs. get on it lockjaw
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10-19-2021, 07:41 PM | #212 |
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we need lots more relatable RP anna jay content
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10-19-2021, 07:43 PM | #213 |
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he didnt post pics. 3/10
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10-19-2021, 07:50 PM | #214 |
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better to be on the safe side with RP posting pics in wrestling. it could turn into a black cock debacle real quick.
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10-20-2021, 01:39 AM | #215 |
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10-20-2021, 03:10 AM | #216 | |
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My stance has been that the ratings matter as much as important decision makers want them to matter. A great rating, as they see it, is going to be used as justification to keep you. A number they don’t value can be used to hang you. It can even be the same number interpreted differently. Is 750k good or bad? Depends on who’s looking at it and how. Had no clue about NBC developing their own methods. I’m surprised with so much being digital and the technological advancements that I assume have been in most houses for some time that there isn’t some sort of instant feedback when it comes to viewing habits and the like. I assumed this would be the case when my parents got upgraded to digital cable in, like, 2006 or whenever. I just assumed FOXTEL knew exactly how many people were watching one thing at one time. Nielsen themselves state a 10% margin of error. That’s fucking huge. Rampage may have gotten 662k this week or 540k. That’s a huge chunk of audience that it just doesn’t know how to count. And what if you just watch wrestling at your parents’ house because you don’t have cable. No sense getting it for wrestling. Or if you watch it with friends? Just a really wonky way to measure viewing habits, as you said. |
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10-20-2021, 06:48 AM | #217 |
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its reasonable to say that more people watch tv content from non traditional means than traditional who are between 18-49
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10-20-2021, 06:55 AM | #218 |
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if it turned out the true neilson margin of error was 50% it wouldnt shock me. we get a new method installed only to find the real winner on friday nights in judge judy reruns
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10-20-2021, 06:57 AM | #219 |
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neilson is so inaccurate we cant reasonably say we know anything from an empirical stand point. especially in the "key demo" who are the least likely to be using a neilson friendly viewing habit.
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10-20-2021, 07:02 AM | #220 |
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even having a conversation on tuesday about who watched raw this week is insane to me. i could be weeks behind on a show at any given time and be SUPER invested in said show. the new metric should be an aggregate score based on a 30ish day cycle. we just dont consume content like we used to
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10-20-2021, 07:06 AM | #221 |
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more over i may watch part through one service and part through another. or in the case of wrestling just consume segments. and i certainly never view a commercial with is a whole other can of worms. the only ad spots that are going to reach me are the in-content-ad-spots. its just a huge mess with a bunch of old guys desperately clinging to the corspe of a long dead model.
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10-20-2021, 09:15 AM | #222 | |
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10-20-2021, 11:52 AM | #223 | |
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Streaming viewers could maybe even be more likely to be tracked by them because most streaming services have an option for it in the settings... I use YouTube TV and it's tracked by Nielsen. Had DirecTV Now before and it was also tracked |
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10-20-2021, 11:55 AM | #224 |
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NBC/USA apparently pays $265 million a year for Raw... Turner pays like $60 million for Dynamite and Rampage together... Dynamite creeping up on Raw's 18-49 numbers... One network seems to be getting a much better deal
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10-20-2021, 12:09 PM | #225 |
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They don’t track like the free streaming sites. I use em regularly. So many of them, how could they? I’m sure tons of people my age use em.
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10-20-2021, 03:01 PM | #226 | |
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I’m sorry, but it’s insane to think AEW is coming anywhere near touching WWE in total value through their advertising appeal. AEW has got a good chance of renegotiating with a smaller network that uses them to spike their awareness and popularity. Or with Turner if they haven’t crashed and burnt by then. But to think they are a threat to WWE hegemony right now ignores so many other factors. |
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10-20-2021, 03:02 PM | #227 |
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I’m having trouble embedding tweets from my phone. But here’s Meltzer downplaying the difference between TNT and FS1.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1450657276130316292 This links to a clip from April 2019 where Meltzer said “Don’t look at the number on the left, look at the number on the right” and basically shat all over the idea of Raw leaning on the demos. https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1450693723881418756 The “war” as framed by him (it’s barely a skirmish) is a false narrative. Do not buy into it. |
10-20-2021, 03:25 PM | #228 |
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The NFL is releasing media about their overall viewership. Someone better tell them how to close ad deals.
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10-20-2021, 03:29 PM | #229 |
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It’s almost like entities lead with numbers they want to use to make themselves look good, and ignore numbers that aren’t that impressive when put into context.
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10-20-2021, 03:42 PM | #230 |
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An article I found from 2018 that talks what I perceive to be some pretty common sense. I was asking Google if advertisers still care most about the 18-49 demo in 2021. But of course these people are “morons” who don’t have any experience in media:
http://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018...xplained-18-49 Tl;dr — Advertisers and TV networks valued 18-49 because of the reasons Destor has laid out: habits and your time left...alive, quite frankly. Living conditions, societal/cultural changes and economic factors regarding the cable industry and the number of people from each demographic watching live has opened perspectives on this. Stable live viewership has got value to advertisers, regardless of age. And apparently Netflix doesn’t track age so urgently, because a lot of older consumers foot the bill for younger consumers, and vice versa. These changes in viewing habits could also be reflected in cable. For example, I enjoy watching a show with my dad on cable. I’m not about to get it and have him over for dinner to watch it. I go and visit him since he’s already got it. I am in the 18-49 demo, he is not. It’d be counted as a 50+ viewer, but it is 1:1 in that house. 1:2 when my brother is over and watches too. By the way, my dad is not overly well to do (I’d say we grew up middle-class). He’s got way more disposable income than anybody in my age bracket that I know. That could be a cultural thing as Australians are looking to buy food, pay rent/mortgages, gym memberships, streaming services, balance a social life, etc. But if I were to guess who was going to spend $1000 on some wacky thing for his kitchen, I know who it would be. |
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Maybe WWE gets to keep its current rate but AEW could have some more leverage for a raise when they current deal is up, all because they can point to 18-49 and say they’re a comparable product. Last edited by Damian Rey 2.0; 10-20-2021 at 08:22 PM. |
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10-20-2021, 04:32 PM | #232 | |
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10-21-2021, 04:54 AM | #233 |
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What value do you (or I) have to advertisers/network execs? We’re not interacting with their platform. We’re stealing content. We don’t add anything to their bottom line unless you then go on to purchase other items produced by the company. What favour are we doing AEW or anyone else by watching on a free stream? We’re not counted anyware.
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10-21-2021, 06:12 AM | #234 |
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Fucking nerds and your ratings. Just watch the oiled up muscle men slap one another in undies ffs.
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10-21-2021, 08:04 AM | #235 |
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10-21-2021, 01:36 PM | #236 | |
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Last I checked AJPW was the best promotion to watch for classic style puro matches. Lots of big beefy dudes staffing the shit out of each other with Kento Miyahara being the small athletic ace. Been a while since I tuned in though so I'm not sure where they're at right now. I didn't end up watching the whole Danielson vs suzuki match. My love for Japanese wrestling wrestling is well documented here, and as such I'm naturally a big fan of strike exchanges. But this just felt so hammy. Like they were winking at the camera the whole time. There's an intensity to strike exchanges that makes it work, and feel realistic that a couple guys would just stand there and let each other lay them in. This wasn't that. This looked like two guys having a bit of fun in a way that ponders to a specific audience, at the expense of realism. |
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10-21-2021, 03:01 PM | #237 | |
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10-21-2021, 08:15 PM | #239 | |
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10-21-2021, 08:59 PM | #240 |
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