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Old 12-10-2021, 12:14 AM   #41
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Wasnt it only a few weeks ago Matt Hardy was saying Jeffs the best hes seen him in years?
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Old 12-10-2021, 12:29 AM   #42
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Jeff Hardy to AEW confirmed as per @tomguycotwrestling via Twitter.
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Old 12-10-2021, 12:31 AM   #43
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All things being equal, I would hope my brother said the same about me publicly... even if it were 100% true or he were just covering my ass.

But again, I'm not assuming he's off the wagon without proof just because of his past. It could have been as simple as "fuck this; it ain't fun anymore". He could be working a ploy to head to AEW (or even elsewhere - can't assume Jeff doesn't do his own thing). It could even be a long con by WWE themselves like they did with Brian Danielson after he "choked" Justin Roberts with his own tie during the original NEXUS invasion. You know, where he was "released" on paper, allowed to work indy dates, and then came back to WWE right at the end of his non-compete after the negative PR blew over and got "thanked" with a US title run for keeping his mouth shut about it (you can't convince me that's not what went down).

I get Occam's Razor and all, but it isn't necessarily good to assume the worst just because.
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Old 12-10-2021, 01:08 AM   #44
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My point wasn’t to say he’s having addiction issues, it was kinda the opposite with a hedge of “some people hide it well”
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Old 12-10-2021, 02:13 AM   #45
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PLOT TWIST: He faked being fucked up so they would give him the ultimatum.
I am thinking this... no way the guy works the entire match looking just fine, taking the bumps and hitting all his cues, setting the up the hot tag and just decides to fuck off cuz he's high or hung over.

We've all seen Jeff Hardy fucked up wrestling. It ain't pretty and its OBVIOUS when compared to his sober work. This does not seem to be that. Looks like a Gail Kim situation.

Given he walked out and then got a release (something it seemed that he wanted) tells me he fucking played the game and out-played the out-of-touch Vince McMahon.

Imagine the POP if/when he walks back into a ring from the crowd "somewhere".
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Old 12-10-2021, 02:58 AM   #46
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Didn't somebody else do something similar before?

In any case, I'm not going to assume he relapsed until there's proof. I am of the mind he prob'ly doesn't like where WWE is headed and took the likes of Scotty 2 Hotty and Beth Phoenix exits to heart, but found his own "escape hatch"... just way more literally out the back door of a house show.
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Jeff Hardy to AEW confirmed as per @tomguycotwrestling via Twitter.
You know what? I should open a twitter account under that name so that the hyperlinik works. Also, if he doesn't show up in AEW, I could always pull a Meltz and say "Well... you know... plans change." Instant out that wouldn't lose me any credibility whatsoever. If that were what I actually was saying.

But I was legit asking: didn't someone else get released under a pretense of being "injured" or "intoxicated" or some shit, and refused to see a doctor, and got released? I could've sworn someone actually pulled something like that to get out of their contract, but I can't remember who.


*(By the way, someone pointed out to me that there IS a "tom guycott" - spelled incorrectly like I did it - on Twitter, but it legit isn't me. Some of it seems like things I'd post, but then other shit was completely off my mark where even I'd be fooled into thinking I actually wrote it.)

**(Double checking now, that account I was referring to appears to be gone, and there is now more than one "Tom Guycot" on Twitter - single t correct spelling - and one of them is actually cosplaying as the Clash At Demonhead boss.)
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Old 12-10-2021, 03:33 AM   #47
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My point wasn’t to say he’s having addiction issues, it was kinda the opposite with a hedge of “some people hide it well”
Well, given that the reason why people jump to that conclusion is because he was never one to "hide it well", so that's the first thought they'll think for any deviant behavior from the norm - which in this case is just getting the fuck out of Dodge.

What I will say, though, is that if this *is* some sort of "scheme" to leave (or an actual work within WWE for something not addressed publicly; see my DB stance), Jeff could swerve everyone and go work for Billy Corgan.

He doesn't necessarily have to show up in AEW just because Matt is there. There was a point where Jeff was in TNA and Matt was in Ring of Honor. Both guys ended up making appearances at both places, but not always.

Right or wrong, I'm just putting money on him not being happy there anymore. Kinda like that football player who up and retired at halftime of an NFL game.
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Old 12-10-2021, 08:36 AM   #48
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Jeff Hardy really does have the “it” factor everybody knows about but nobody can accurately define.

Like I love Matt but anytime he’s just tried being regular ‘ol Matt Hardy, he felt like just another guy and it didn’t work. But Broken Matt, V1 Matt, Big Money Matt etc were all enjoyable to me because of his character work.

Jeff on the other hand, doesn't need a character, just being himself has always been enough to get massive pops everywhere. He’s the living embodiment of EWR’s “Unique” gimmick.
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Old 12-10-2021, 09:13 AM   #49
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I am thinking this... no way the guy works the entire match looking just fine, taking the bumps and hitting all his cues, setting the up the hot tag and just decides to fuck off cuz he's high or hung over.

We've all seen Jeff Hardy fucked up wrestling. It ain't pretty and its OBVIOUS when compared to his sober work. This does not seem to be that. Looks like a Gail Kim situation.

Given he walked out and then got a release (something it seemed that he wanted) tells me he fucking played the game and out-played the out-of-touch Vince McMahon.

Imagine the POP if/when he walks back into a ring from the crowd "somewhere".
also if he was too drugged up to wrestle all the trained wrestlers around him would not let hem wrestle as long as he did in the match.
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Old 12-10-2021, 11:13 AM   #50
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The article says the WWE offered him rehab prior to his release
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Old 12-10-2021, 03:23 PM   #51
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If he wanted to leave, there are plenty of other avenues you can take other than being fucked up, making people think you are fucked up or being wildly unprofessional. I get that people want to think the best, but Jeff is probably not in a good spot. People don’t always show it as obviously as they sometimes have.
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Old 12-10-2021, 03:28 PM   #52
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And before anyone says “But WWE won’t let people go,” it’s probably easier to get out of a WWE deal now than it was before. Is there anyone there that has asked for a release that hasn’t been given it at this point? You can call up Vince, talk to him about your health not holding up — mental or physical, pitch a conditional release, fight the contract, a bunch of things besides fucking over your coworkers and a paying audience.

And didn’t Jeff just sign a new contract recently?
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Old 12-10-2021, 04:48 PM   #53
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It’s all a work so that they can introduce the WWE Universe to Willow!
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Old 12-10-2021, 06:18 PM   #54
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I wonder if Vince has ever seen Jeff as Willow and what his reaction was?
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Old 12-10-2021, 06:43 PM   #55
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This is all speculation, but here is a possible scenario.

Jeff Hardy was not under the influence in the match. Whatever reason he walked out, him being upset, him being injured, etc. may have led to his relapse, which was evident when he showed up the next day and and was sent home.
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Old 12-10-2021, 10:22 PM   #56
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My second concern is that the same people who say he is faking his condition to get out of WWE would be the first to try to blame WWE should he go too far and end up deceased (worst case scenario).

My first concern is that Jeff goes too far and ends up deceased.
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Old 12-11-2021, 12:23 AM   #57
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Jesus fuck, I was only joking.
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Old 12-11-2021, 12:48 AM   #58
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does jeff also have 4 kids? if he has fewer than matt, he's still the less fucked up of the two
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Jesus fuck, I was only joking.
Poe's Law and all that shit.

Also, that is the legitimate sentiment of folks I have seen online.
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Old 12-11-2021, 05:00 PM   #62
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If he seriously faked a relapse so he could go to AEW then fuck Jeff, fuck Matt, and fuck AEW if they hire him. That Matt tweet just doesn't sit right with me.

I like Jeff a lot, always have, but if it turns out this is what happened then it is some of the most unprofessional conduct I've ever seen and is borderline fraud.
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If he seriously faked a relapse so he could go to AEW then fuck Jeff, fuck Matt, and fuck AEW if they hire him. That Matt tweet just doesn't sit right with me.

I like Jeff a lot, always have, but if it turns out this is what happened then it is some of the most unprofessional conduct I've ever seen and is borderline fraud.
I really don’t think that would be the case. I think either Jeff’s relapsed proper or the WWE suspects him of relapsing, and he’s refused to take a test to either prove or disprove their suspicions. But offering him rehab implies there is some sort of knowledge of a condition, which he is refusing to treat within company guidelines.

It’s also pretty telling the company actually released him. I think there is an awareness about how firing someone can exasperate their personal issues. The company really does give people plenty of chances in these sorts of scenarios. Even if Jeff refused rehab, they could have still sent him home to “think about it.” They’re cutting bait on this guy.
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I think Impact Wrestling or GCW is the most likely place for Jeff if he decides to keep wrestling at all. AEW should probably stay clear.

A silver-lining to this potentially awful situation is that if Matt wants to work with Jeff, and Tony won’t sign Jeff, maybe Matt leaves to go to wherever Jeff is and we don’t have to see him in AEW anymore? But Matt’s probably making too much bank.
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I think Impact Wrestling or GCW is the most likely place for Jeff if he decides to keep wrestling at all. AEW should probably stay clear.
Should, but probably won't.

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A silver-lining to this potentially awful situation is that if Matt wants to work with Jeff, and Tony won’t sign Jeff, maybe Matt leaves to go to wherever Jeff is and we don’t have to see him in AEW anymore? But Matt’s probably making too much bank.
If Tony hadn't proven himself to be the biggest mark of all time, I'd agree with you. The thing is, I can totally see Jeff signing with AEW, so the Hardy's can job to the Bucks one last time.
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Old 12-12-2021, 01:50 AM   #66
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Should, but probably won't.



If Tony hadn't proven himself to be the biggest mark of all time, I'd agree with you. The thing is, I can totally see Jeff signing with AEW, so the Hardy's can job to the Bucks one last time.
Sadly, you’re probably right.
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My second concern is that the same people who say he is faking his condition to get out of WWE would be the first to try to blame WWE should he go too far and end up deceased (worst case scenario).

My first concern is that Jeff goes too far and ends up deceased.
I would only do that if WWE were insisting he keep doing flaming barbwire TLC Hell-In-The-Cell (on a pole!) matches and letting him take wilder and wilder bumps during all these years. That's a plus side of WWE becoming boring sticks-in-the-mud: they toned down a lot of the super dangerous ante-upping.

This is a different circumstance than, say, historically rewarding people who have obviously "enhanced" physiques because of Vince's bodybuilding predilictions, but then punishing them when outed or implicated for being on the gas. I would absolutely blame WWE in that instance.
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The thing is, I can totally see Jeff signing with AEW, so the Hardy's can job to the Bucks one last time.
If this were to happen, I'd honestly rather see a "send off" vs Darby Allin and not cross paths with Matt or HFO at all... but, you're prob'ly right, since the Bucks would have to go over. Prob'ly even CLEAN, and not make with the heat fuckery from the peanut gallery until after the Hardyz lost.

Plus, it would take at least some attention away from FTR vs The Briscoes since they're not involved in that. So, I could see your prediction coming true also.

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I think Impact Wrestling or GCW is the most likely place for Jeff if he decides to keep wrestling at all. AEW should probably stay clear.

A silver-lining to this potentially awful situation is that if Matt wants to work with Jeff, and Tony won’t sign Jeff, maybe Matt leaves to go to wherever Jeff is and we don’t have to see him in AEW anymore? But Matt’s probably making too much bank.
AEW losing Matt would be a huge loss for them. AEW will keep him signed so other promotions don't steal him. It's Matt's world and if he wants to get a deal for Jeff at AEW then it will happen.
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The whole situation is interesting. Think about it. The WWE continues to make fun of his rehab and substance abuse problems. If this was done to any of us, we would be able to threaten to sue or whatever. Jeff could not. So if he did fake this to get released from his contract, then good for him. I know that's the unpopular opinion, but he should be able to work in front of an audience and not have to worry about that shit. He also hasn't been involved in a meaningful storyline since Matt was let go.

With all this said, he didn't relapse when they were stuck in Florida filming shows in the Thunderdome. If he did in fact relapse, and the stories are true, then it might be all the time on the road that is doing him in. I just hope that he gets the help he needs, whether it be physical or mental.
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AEW losing Matt would be a huge loss for them. AEW will keep him signed so other promotions don't steal him. It's Matt's world and if he wants to get a deal for Jeff at AEW then it will happen.
i think if jeff came to aew it would be limited like matt cardonas was. it will be like 6 matches. as long as matt watches over him he should be ok.
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AEW losing Matt would be a huge loss for them. AEW will keep him signed so other promotions don't steal him. It's Matt's world and if he wants to get a deal for Jeff at AEW then it will happen.
I guess I’m just pipe-dreaming that AEW would give itself competition by letting Matt Hardy spread greatness to other wrestling promotions.
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Old 12-13-2021, 03:22 PM   #73
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Matt and Jeff will probably book another OMEGA show.
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Lol the Broken Hardys are technically in the midst of a nearly 5 year reign as OMEGA Tag Champs from the last event they held.
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Old 12-14-2021, 09:55 AM   #75
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Yeah, definitely leaning toward this not being drug-related. They’d at least let it blow over for a bit before doing stuff like this and making jokes about the situation.
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Sean Ropa Sapp stating on Twitter that the rumors of Jeff getting fired on purpose is bs
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I don’t know what happened and I don’t believe anyone who is saying they do, but it’s seeming increasingly likely that Jeff faked a relapse to get out of his contract.
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I’d also like to add that I 100% support a worker lying to an evil corporation for their own personal gain


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