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Old 01-02-2022, 04:10 PM   #121
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Immediate reaction; “Same shit, different year”.

Rationalising it; it’s the first ever Day 1 PPV Premium Live Event, it’s on New Year’s Day, the turnout is reportedly less than stellar, and they’ve had to pull a match from the card. They want to present the PPV as “must see” if they want to do it again next year.

Further thoughts; I’m not taken with Brock as champion, I’m also not really into Brock vs Roman either though. The stuff between Brock and Lashley was interesting, I’d be into that. I’d also be into Big E chasing the belt back from Brock. But I don’t think we’ll get either of those things, and the damage to Big E might not be repairable.
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Old 01-02-2022, 04:12 PM   #122
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Somehow from his opinions, I get the impression that he is not going to accept a bet whose outcome relies on what the "sheetz" say.
How long did his “time away to read books” last? He can’t admit it but Noid needs this place.
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Old 01-02-2022, 04:22 PM   #123
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Somehow from his opinions, I get the impression that he is not going to accept a bet whose outcome relies on what the "sheetz" say.
Then he will forever be known as the biggest wuss ever in the history of TPWW and someone who can't handle the heat when it comes to backing up his shit interactions on these forums. Plus I'll push for something really devious if he thinks he's going to weasel his way out of this.

For me, whatever happens is a win-win situation. That might sound strange but one day I'll reveal why. Just don't feel like it or comfortable right now.
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Old 01-02-2022, 05:06 PM   #124
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Somehow from his opinions, I get the impression that he is not going to accept a bet whose outcome relies on what the "sheetz" say.
And how is it going to be measured? By Smeat’s opinion. All I’m saying is that there’s intentionality behind this decision. They didn’t have to put Brock in the WWE Title match. They chose to. So if Brock goes into Mania as champion…do I win? What about if he defends the belt on Raw sometime and loses it back to Big E? Do I win then? Or is Smeat going to fold his arms and say “See! I didn’t like this so therefore it was short-sighted”?

Would he make the same bet about Becky and Bianca? I think the plan is for Bianca to take the belt off Becky at Mania. So is that long-term planning that started at SummerSlam? Or is Smeat going to count that as a “WWE Bad” moment?

My issue with him is his credulity and tendency to just believe this rhetoric. I don’t trust him to have any sort of objective standard in place.
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I’d be very happy if Smeat exiled himself when Big E and Brock are both still on the WWE come Mania and the sky hasn’t fallen though.
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Old 01-02-2022, 05:14 PM   #126
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Immediate reaction; “Same shit, different year”.

Rationalising it; it’s the first ever Day 1 PPV Premium Live Event, it’s on New Year’s Day, the turnout is reportedly less than stellar, and they’ve had to pull a match from the card. They want to present the PPV as “must see” if they want to do it again next year.

Further thoughts; I’m not taken with Brock as champion, I’m also not really into Brock vs Roman either though. The stuff between Brock and Lashley was interesting, I’d be into that. I’d also be into Big E chasing the belt back from Brock. But I don’t think we’ll get either of those things, and the damage to Big E might not be repairable.
I’d be fine with Brock and Lashley too, but I’d have done it later under regular circumstances. Big E never came off as a true main eventer to me. I’d be happy if he went back with The New Day or something like that. People were saying his WWE Title win was just a ratings ploy when it happened too, lol.
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Old 01-02-2022, 05:36 PM   #127
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Does Big E bounce back from this and win the Rumble or was that title run "it" for him (for now)?
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Old 01-02-2022, 05:52 PM   #128
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Does Big E bounce back from this and win the Rumble or was that title run "it" for him (for now)?
He could win the Rumble. I’ve been under the assumption that the WWE Title match at Mania would be Lashley vs. Big E. That could have seen Lashley winning the Rumble or Big E losing the belt and winning the Rumble.

It would actually make a bit of sense of Brock drops the WWE Title to Lashley to setup him versus Roman, and Big E then wins the Rumble to prove he still belongs in the main event.

I’m not really enthused by Big E as a main eventer. I feel like the biggest match in its place for the guy is a Triple Threat with The New Day. I think he would be the most logical choice to win that.
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Old 01-02-2022, 06:10 PM   #129
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And how is it going to be measured? By Smeat’s opinion. All I’m saying is that there’s intentionality behind this decision. They didn’t have to put Brock in the WWE Title match. They chose to. So if Brock goes into Mania as champion…do I win? What about if he defends the belt on Raw sometime and loses it back to Big E? Do I win then? Or is Smeat going to fold his arms and say “See! I didn’t like this so therefore it was short-sighted”?

Would he make the same bet about Becky and Bianca? I think the plan is for Bianca to take the belt off Becky at Mania. So is that long-term planning that started at SummerSlam? Or is Smeat going to count that as a “WWE Bad” moment?

My issue with him is his credulity and tendency to just believe this rhetoric. I don’t trust him to have any sort of objective standard in place.
Don't try to weasle out of this.

A simple yes or no answer is only needed.

Whatever Fightful Select reports on the situation is what gets counted so you can't claim any bias or other shit. Ringsdide News has stuff that's way more damaging for your claims of "smart creative booking" but since Triple A doesn't count them as a source for the Frontpage, they don't factor into this unless Fightful collaborates it.

I already saw part of the report from Fightful.
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Don't try to weasle out of this.

A simple yes or no answer is only needed.

Whatever Fightful Select reports on the situation is what gets counted so you can't claim any bias or other shit. Ringsdide News has stuff that's way more damaging for your claims of "smart creative booking" but since Triple A doesn't count them as a source for the Frontpage, they don't factor into this unless Fightful collaborates it.

I already saw part of the report from Fightful.
I don’t consider Fightful credible at all. You’re the one trying to jam people into your little paradigm. You can ban yourself from this place all you want. I’m not at the whims of someone trying to censor others because they don’t like being called on their bullshit.

The obvious thing they are building to would be Brock vs. Roman, title for title at Mania. Even Bryan Alvarez has alluded to this. Brock and Roman has been the plan since forever ago. How would any of that count as a panic move? Yet you’ll claim that it is because of anti-WWE bias.

Are you going to admit that you are wrong if Brock vs. Roman happens at Mania, Roman’s health permitting?
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Old 01-02-2022, 09:21 PM   #131
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Fightful has been the most credible news site for a while
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Old 01-02-2022, 09:24 PM   #132
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I think as annoyed as people are with Brock’s booking, they need to understand what most of us have come to expect: certain top guys get special treatment. Brock Lesnar gets special treatment. Roman Reigns gets special treatment. Hook gets special treatment. It’s just the way it is. Better make peace with it now.
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I don’t consider Fightful credible at all. You’re the one trying to jam people into your little paradigm. You can ban yourself from this place all you want. I’m not at the whims of someone trying to censor others because they don’t like being called on their bullshit.

The obvious thing they are building to would be Brock vs. Roman, title for title at Mania. Even Bryan Alvarez has alluded to this. Brock and Roman has been the plan since forever ago. How would any of that count as a panic move? Yet you’ll claim that it is because of anti-WWE bias.

Are you going to admit that you are wrong if Brock vs. Roman happens at Mania, Roman’s health permitting?
Still trying to weasel out of just giving a simple yes or no response

Who said anything about Brock vs. Reigns at Mania.

The whole bet revolved around Lesnar winning the title either being the result of:
A) Panic booking with little to no care what they had planed before for both the belt and Big E
B) Some smart creative plan that they had actually fully thought out and not just them trying to wing it as much as possible to buy time until Reigns can come back and not ruin whatever they had in place for Mania plans.

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More credible than Meltzer in 2022 doesn’t mean that much.

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I think as annoyed as people are with Brock’s booking, they need to understand what most of us have come to expect: certain top guys get special treatment. Brock Lesnar gets special treatment. Roman Reigns gets special treatment. Hook gets special treatment. It’s just the way it is. Better make peace with it now.
And hell, it should be that way. The WrestleMania name is going to sell the show to an extent, but on that marquee it helps to have something that feels special. Brock vs. Roman is that match. Had the circumstances not been what they were, Roman probably would have screwed Brock without Heyman there to “muddy the waters.” A fine finish would have been the tossing the belt spot, only with an Uso actually helping Reigns more effectively. Brock enters the Rumble with the main story being The Usos in there to make sure he doesn’t win. Brock and Lashley would probably be teased there and either Brock wins or Bobby wins to set up a middle of the card WWE Title match between him and Big E.

Now, because they’re going to be without the Universal Champion for at least a few weeks, they’ve got thr WWE Title on their biggest available star, with the story likely being Heyman begging Brock to sign an exclusive deal with Raw to keep both sides happy. Brock actively wants Reigns, Heyman pulls whatever remaining hair he has out, and hopefully things go back to a relative normal soon and they get themselves out of the two belts situation when they can.

Brock wins the Rumble, Brock beats Lashley at Super Showdown or whatever the Saudi show is. Brock vs. Roman as the Night 2 main event at Mania. It’s not rocket science. It’s not even a bad idea — especially given the circumstances. Big E is probably going to get a “man, I let myself down and got pinned at Day 1” story. Might still get the Lashley match at Mania, it just won’t have a belt on the line in it.

Heyman is very involved in everything Brock does. This is all very deliberate. It may not have been their chosen route, but it’s not necessarily a “panic move” or a fuck you Big E move. They just want a champion on SmackDown and have taken this situation to make Brock vs. Roman an even more important match. Provided Roman can get himself back.

They could have just made Brock interim champion on SmackDown. If Roman is not available to get back, they could have still had Brock win the Rumble and go against Lashley. This wasn’t the way they HAD to do it, but it’s obviously an active decision-making process to try and bolster both Raw and SmackDown in the chaotic short-term and possibly create a company-wide context behind Roman and Brock which is easily your biggest match and the thing you have been actively building to.
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Old 01-02-2022, 09:46 PM   #135
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Like, what they did isn’t even the most obvious thing to do. They could have scrapped Drew vs. Moss and done Brock vs. Drew for an interim belt. Or not even have that but just do a different Brock match. Him against Happy Corbin, or Sheamus, or a whole bunch of heels and he’s pissed off Roman isn’t there.

You have to actually THINK to come up with the idea of Brock, the free agent, entering the WWE Title match. It’s not the most obvious solution to “Well, we want Brock to do something on this show, because people want to see him kill people.” But let’s project panic onto the situation because WWE bad.
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Thinking about a guy like Big E, people saying how this loss to Brock will "damage him". But in reality, he will always just be "another guy" at this point in his career. They could give him the title back in a few months or next year and he'd feel exactly the same as he did.

The majority of the WWE roster, minus Brock Lesnar (who has the lure of being part time and booked like a Beast) and Roman Reigns (who has been protected and booked strong since his debut) are just "another guy". They can be pushed to world titles and main event pictures, but they aren't really "stars" and will never be so.

To make a star, you almost need to be booked consistently strong from the start or else there is no advancing in today's world....

But then you can come in strong like Braun Strowman and AJ Styles and seem like "a star" for awhile, but then get pushed down and made to be "just another guy" to the point of Braun's eventual title run being "who cares" and then being released and AJ being like... "Oh yeah, he's still on the show"

Meanwhile over in AEW you have almost the opposite problem. Everyone is booked "too strongly". They want all their talent to come across as "amazing", where even the squash jobber matches are not just quick jobber matches, but where the jobber gets in a good amount of offense and it looks like a "battle" for the winner. Everyone becomes "just another guy" but in kind of an inverse way than WWE.

I lost what my point is.... I think it was that Big E will be fine in the long run, because it'll all just be "the same" anyways.

I may or may not also just be stirring the pot.
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This is actually INTERESTING. Even if the obvious story is Brock winning the Rumble, retaining the WWE Title against Lashley and then headlining Mania against Roman, people aren’t actually sure and didn’t see this wrinkle in the story coming. Big E’s a fine talent, but a lot of people weren’t that into his run anyway. He’ll get more chances down the track.

This might just be objectively BETTER. For Raw, SmackDown, WrestleMania and even a guy like Big E long-term. But lolWWE, they just had to go and put the WWE Title on their biggest fucking star.
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Old 01-02-2022, 10:54 PM   #138
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i think for big e to work better he needs to drop the whole New Day gimmick
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i think for big e to work better he needs to drop the whole New Day gimmick
There definitely seems to be a crossroads with him. He doesn’t come off as a main eventer with the gimmick, but without the gimmick you’re taking a huge risk removing what people find charismatic in the first place. Honestly, he kind of reminds me of Rikishi in that sense.

He’ll get his opportunities. He’ll be a two-time Hall of Famer for them if he keeps his nose clean — tag team and singles. It just is what it is. As a main eventer you need to take more risks with him. His ultimate value may be as a mid-card act though. And look, when they need someone for the odd WWE Title run here or there, he isn’t offensive in the role (well, I do find the gimmick obnoxious).
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I think he’s hurt way more by having a forced run that pales in comparison to what people can envision for the product. No one seems too upset this run has ended. Not because people don’t like him, but it just wasn’t firing on all cylinders.
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Since when has losing to Brock Lesnar become a career killer? The way they did it to Kofi was bad, no doubt, and the complete lack of a followup story from Kofi made it worse.

Big E losing to Brock in a competitive match is not the same thing. I would have rather Brock pinned Seth, it gives E a better gripe for a rematch, and Seth's character would not suffer in the slightest, but it is what it is, they booked it for Lashley to look strong. Lashley is a better matchup for a babyface Lesnar, and he is a more marquee match since the two of them have never crossed paths before Day 1.
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There definitely seems to be a crossroads with him. He doesn’t come off as a main eventer with the gimmick, but without the gimmick you’re taking a huge risk removing what people find charismatic in the first place. Honestly, he kind of reminds me of Rikishi in that sense.

He’ll get his opportunities. He’ll be a two-time Hall of Famer for them if he keeps his nose clean — tag team and singles. It just is what it is. As a main eventer you need to take more risks with him. His ultimate value may be as a mid-card act though. And look, when they need someone for the odd WWE Title run here or there, he isn’t offensive in the role (well, I do find the gimmick obnoxious).
I know it isn't going to happen, but...

EVERYONE gets swerved when Reigns gets beaten by Big E... with a new assist from Heyman. When the time for the "Why?" promo shows up, we get reminded of the Talking Smack thing where Paul talks about him "finally showing his true potential" asks him the rhetorical question in relation to him and New Day: "When was the last time that anyone said anything about Roman Reigns where they even mentioned The Shield?"

Only problem with that, though, is that WWE would prob'ly be too eager to just make him act like Roman v.2 and have him turn heel instead of the bigger swerve of turning Paul Heyman face. He was in the ear of an unpredictable monster Brock, and a manipulative egomaniac in Reigns... have Big E be his redemption arc. The type of champion he wanted the others to be. Of course, everyone thinks he's just trying to sweet talk his way into Big E's good graces, and all signs and history point to this being true, because he's fucking Paul E. Dangerously, so everything he says and does will always look damning in one way or another. Let that be the new drama, where it looks like he's going to go back to one of the other choices, but does not.

But ultimately, it is Big E that saves the sinner, and that whole "is Heyman's career done?" ends with him savagely being attacked by Brock or something while protecting Etor or somesuch, and carted out one last time on a stretcher in a last act to prove he wasn't lying to him, and then we get a more serious, agressive Big E that is also a) still a babyface that doesn't need to just turn on his friends for zero reason while b) the whole paring with Paul E divorces him more from New Day even if just by osmosis.
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Roman is the forever champion. He will retire still champ, probably when Vince sells to NBC in 2024.
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Since when has losing to Brock Lesnar become a career killer? The way they did it to Kofi was bad, no doubt, and the complete lack of a followup story from Kofi made it worse.

Big E losing to Brock in a competitive match is not the same thing. I would have rather Brock pinned Seth, it gives E a better gripe for a rematch, and Seth's character would not suffer in the slightest, but it is what it is, they booked it for Lashley to look strong. Lashley is a better matchup for a babyface Lesnar, and he is a more marquee match since the two of them have never crossed paths before Day 1.
The lack of follow-up with Kofi was silly. Made it look like he didn’t even give a shit. If he doesn’t care, why should his fans? But I actually didn’t hate the way the “match” happened. Say what you want about Vince, but he protected the fuck out of the mystique of Brock wrestling bell-to-bell on TV. A loose cannon babyface Brock could be used to do that to boost ratings, but he hasn’t jumped the gun on it. We’re almost 10 years in.

And Brock, who largely put the 2020 Rumble together with Heyman (allegedly) interacted with Kofi Kingston in that match, who was out to prove something in that context. Brock remembered even if the WWE moved past it (because what are you really going to do with Brock vs. Kofi?).

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I know it isn't going to happen, but...

EVERYONE gets swerved when Reigns gets beaten by Big E... with a new assist from Heyman. When the time for the "Why?" promo shows up, we get reminded of the Talking Smack thing where Paul talks about him "finally showing his true potential" asks him the rhetorical question in relation to him and New Day: "When was the last time that anyone said anything about Roman Reigns where they even mentioned The Shield?"

Only problem with that, though, is that WWE would prob'ly be too eager to just make him act like Roman v.2 and have him turn heel instead of the bigger swerve of turning Paul Heyman face. He was in the ear of an unpredictable monster Brock, and a manipulative egomaniac in Reigns... have Big E be his redemption arc. The type of champion he wanted the others to be. Of course, everyone thinks he's just trying to sweet talk his way into Big E's good graces, and all signs and history point to this being true, because he's fucking Paul E. Dangerously, so everything he says and does will always look damning in one way or another. Let that be the new drama, where it looks like he's going to go back to one of the other choices, but does not.

But ultimately, it is Big E that saves the sinner, and that whole "is Heyman's career done?" ends with him savagely being attacked by Brock or something while protecting Etor or somesuch, and carted out one last time on a stretcher in a last act to prove he wasn't lying to him, and then we get a more serious, agressive Big E that is also a) still a babyface that doesn't need to just turn on his friends for zero reason while b) the whole paring with Paul E divorces him more from New Day even if just by osmosis.
Interesting ideas there. I could go for something like that down the road. I think the Mania story is pretty set. A guy I actually had penciled in for a potential Heyman relationship down the line is Drew McIntyre. I don’t know when exactly, but Drew being a guy who walked through Lesnar without consequences (as of yet) has got potential for Heyman to try and milk — whether that be against Lesnar or just parallel to him.
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When you look at Brock and Roman on paper, it is a HUGE match.

* By virtue of being on Peacock it is probably going to be the most watched Mania of all-time.

* When it comes to attendance, WrestleMania being a two-night stadium show is probably going to be the most attended WrestleMania ever.

* Not since Hogan and Savage at Mania V has a main event at WrestleMania featured two men who have held a World Title for over a year.

* Hogan and Savage had spent a total number of 1845 days as WWF Champion at that point in time. Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar have already spent 2120 days as champion.

* If Brock wins the Rumble, then there will be as many Royal Rumble victories between Brock and Roman as any other main event in WrestleMania history.

* Brock would be only the second man to have entered the Royal Rumble as WWE Champion and won.

* They’re the two men who have beaten The Undertaker at Mania.

* No other match has headlined WrestleMania 3 times.

On paper, you can make the kayfabe case that it is the greatest WrestleMania rivalry of all-time.
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* 3rd time in 7 years that the match has headlined WrestleMania

* 6th time in 7 years the pairing has met 1-on-1 with a championship on the line

* BUT “First time ever babyface Brock takes on heel Roman!!” (You can’t really use that in the video package though).
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Not surprised Noid/Nerfect ended up having no balls in the end. Even with the few extra hours because I overslept a nap, he couldn't even give the decency to simply say no if he was that much of a chicken to put his stuff on the line.

The type of person who can dish it out but cowars when it comes to backing it up and just keeps acting like the same type of person he excuses others of being.

If it wasn't for the fact I'm very drowsy right now, this whole post would have been way more meaner in tone and insults. Only part I can remember is insulting him as the type of person who fingers their asshole and tickles their taint while listening to whenever the newest Cornette podcast episode gets released.

Instead I'll leave it at a simple picture of Big E after the match was over and you tell me that's not a person who got their spirit and dreams for Mania this year crushed because WWE's panic booking ended up being on the bad side this time. Also another instance of why its a waste having any real emotional investment or any attachment for whatever WWE does since way more often than not, the end result is very disappointing and more & more people start questioning why even bother.



This whole thing has left me with a huge headache and my health going right back to shit from this failure of a min-run back here. See you all in a month or so or whatever I don't care.
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Which essentially makes it Rock/Austin, so yeah, “Greatest WrestleMania Rivalry Of All-time” pretty much.
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Smeat, fella, you’ve got to let this go.

It’s nonsense either way. It could be another version of Daniel Bryan where they play off their shit booking as the spark that lit the fuse to one of the best Mania moments/wins of all time.

Noid doesn’t look like a “coward” or a “wuss” for not taking the challenge, and for what it’s worth, I think a month off for you might do you some good.
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So its fine for him to act like an asshole whenever he wants.

Or this could just be like Kofi and his time as a top tier star fizzles out since its not like WWE doesn't have a track record of quickly tossing people to the side and denying them bigger heights of stardom. Bryan and Becky have been the only two notable people who managed to break out of that problem in recent years and in Bryan's case, its not like WWE didn't try to lessen the flame of his stardom multiple times afterwards.

This whole "wait and see" or "let it play out" approach has been busted in WWE for a long time and why WWE keeps lacking the big stars needed to push the company into a brighter future and not one where USA Network could decide one day that NASCAR is more important than RAW and start bumping it off Mondays during their season.
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It’s not not fine for Noid to be an asshole. Don’t get me wrong, the performative assholeness is tiresome, and not at all conducive to “good conversation”, but at this point we’re too far in for him to change tact. You’re fooling yourself if you don’t think there’s a part of him that loves the reaction; this is a guy who barely watches and thinks the forum is shit, yet comes here every day and shares more words than anyone else (no judgement there). You’re giving him exactly what he wants. It’s clearly having more impact on you than him. When I decided social media was causing me more anxiety than pleasure I closed my account. That was over 18 months ago and I a) can’t say I miss it and b) can’t say I feel worse for it. Just some friendly advice. It might feel like “letting him win” but what’s he actually won? More time on a shit forum?

As for the topic at hand, I 100% agree. I absolutely expect there to be no payoff. I absolutely expect there to be no “long term plan”. I absolutely expect it’s more of “same shit, different year”. However, there won’t be an objective outcome to the parameters that you’ve set for this bet. Noid won’t - nor should he really - the word of a “dirt sheet” and it’s so very easy to spin it any number of ways; Big E wasn’t working on top so they’ve changed direction if there’s nothing more for Big E, this was the plan all along if Big E ends up with another shot, or if not. We’ll never truly know. Same thing with the Kofi example; “Kofi was never going to be a star”. The Bryan example “he proved the company shouldn’t have bet on him as he immediately went down with an injury”. It’s all history that you’re able to revise and skew whichever way you want.
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I just can't see myself using it. There is like 8 posters here. Ignoring one will eliminate a good chunk of the conversations.
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Think we’ve also been through that ordeal too.
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I just can't see myself using it. There is like 8 posters here. Ignoring one will eliminate a good chunk of the conversations.

Ignoring Nerfect, in this instance, would not hurt anyone at all. To each their own and all that.
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Old 01-03-2022, 12:10 PM   #158
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Just chill on the whole bet thing, like I said. Think of it this way.... if you were saying "I don't believe that Steve is a credible source" and then someone made you a bet that hinged on what Steve says, even though you have made it quite clear that you don't trust Steve.... would you take that bet?

Anyways, just relax, take it easy, chill out... it all isn't worth the thought or stress. Put him on ignore if you want and stick around. The boards are better with you here.
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Old 01-03-2022, 02:32 PM   #159
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And off-paper?
Well, the WWE obviously isn’t as hot, and the perception of Brock and Roman doesn’t really hold it up to Austin/Rock, etc. It falls down in television ratings around the show, merchandise sales, attendance outside Mania, etc.

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I just can't see myself using it. There is like 8 posters here. Ignoring one will eliminate a good chunk of the conversations.
I’ve got a few people on ignore. Some have been for casual racism, others because they simply add no content. I regret absolutely no one.

I’m all for freedom of expression, letting people say what they want, etc. But I don’t have to listen to it. And I don’t have to bite my tongue in turn. I don’t give a shit if anyone ignores me, and don’t give a shit that I’ve ignored some people. It’s remarkable how many people say…nothing. They have nothing at all to add.

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Just chill on the whole bet thing, like I said. Think of it this way.... if you were saying "I don't believe that Steve is a credible source" and then someone made you a bet that hinged on what Steve says, even though you have made it quite clear that you don't trust Steve.... would you take that bet?

Anyways, just relax, take it easy, chill out... it all isn't worth the thought or stress. Put him on ignore if you want and stick around. The boards are better with you here.
It’s childish. Some people don’t like gambling on the face of it. That shit can be an addiction. It’s a very immature way of trying to bully someone into censorship. You know — instead of making a point with actual evidence to back it up.

Imagine if I said “Hey, Smeat — next time you share an article or take on wrestling that is demonstrably false, you should be banned for sharing fake shit.” If he doesn’t, he’s a wuss, right? I do call out his fake shit, admittedly pretty savagelyc but it’s because it’s so obviously fake and if you think about it for more than 2 minutes you can discern between a news item worth sharing and complete trash. He can’t think outside that and it bothers him because I won’t just say “Attaboy, Smeat. Keep lying to people.” And he gets REALLY nasty when you don’t treat him like a saint for sharing wrestling’s version of junk science.

I’ve explained why I think this would be not only a reasonable move, but possibly even a measured one that makes sense given the overall direction of the company, even in light of these frustrating circumstances. He is having a meltdown talking about how Big E’s dreams have been crushed by this evil company that has paid him millions over the years and calling me a coward because you don’t even take sure bets when gambling with liars.
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Old 01-03-2022, 02:38 PM   #160
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I’ll try and ease it up, because it is obvious there is discomfort there. I’m just frustrated by the false narratives when there are plenty of things to be real and critical about. I’ll try and aim it at the lack of credibility of the sources as opposed to people falling for them and sharing them. This is the issue with this stuff.

Sorry, Smeat. I can admit that my frustration has been misplaced with you. Thinking about it more clearly, I should be annoyed by the people who prey on credulity, as opposed to the ones being preyed on. I hope your health picks up, even if I couldn’t care less whether you post or not.
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