02-06-2014, 02:45 AM | #441 |
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I have no faith in Snyder. They are making the Justice League movie as a panic response to the Avengers.
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02-06-2014, 03:14 AM | #442 |
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I mean, they gotta do it sometime. And you can't reasonably expect them to emulate the multi-year movie by movie set-up, the first JL movie would come out by Avengers 5.
It was clearly gonna be fast tracked, reversing Marvel's plan with movies spinning off after the fact rather than a build up. They had no choice and I'm sympathetic to that. Unless you had a better plan in mind. |
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02-06-2014, 03:35 AM | #444 |
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Good for them, I guess.
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02-06-2014, 03:51 AM | #445 |
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Well, the point of a message board is for someone to say something, and others to respond, so yes, good for them.
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02-06-2014, 12:59 PM | #446 | |
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By rushing, Warner is taking a huge risk that general audiences are going to give a shit about the characters they're stuffing into a MOS sequel, without giving those characters a few hours of their own to develop personalities. The reason Avengers worked is due the fact that most people had a pretty good idea of each character, and taking those characters and pitting them at odds in a film was interesting and ultimately incredibly entertaining. That doesn't work if they tried doing Avengers first and then spinning off. There wouldn't be enough time in a 3 hour film to give potential new comers Flash, WW, Lantern and Aquaman time to develop enough character and personality to actually make people care about them. Look at Green Lantern. You see Sinestro and the rest of the corps for all of, what, 10 minutes, if that? I didn't give a shit about any of those characters and they literally have no memorable moments in the film and were there soley to get into the film and progress the plot. That's what I can see happening if WB doesn't just accept that Marvel is miles ahead of them and gives in to making singular films for their heroes before making a JL film. Hell, I can see it as an advantage for them doing that. At that point, Marvel will have been around so long, with some characters possibly losing steam, that general audiences may be even more inclined to give different characters under different styles a try. |
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02-06-2014, 01:34 PM | #447 |
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The reality here is the superhero movie sub-genre is probably finite in terms of returns (young adult fantasies are already catching up) and WB simply can't risk spending the better part of a decade building up to a movie only we would care about when it launches.
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02-06-2014, 01:45 PM | #448 |
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Regardless of the various degrees of success in film, WB could have done themselves a huge favor if they had signed on the talent from previous movies such as JGL as Batman or Ryan Reynolds as GL. At least then, movie goers would know these characters as established.
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02-06-2014, 01:52 PM | #449 |
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I would have accepted that.
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02-06-2014, 01:56 PM | #450 | |
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Did anyone ever think gen. audiences would give a shit about an Avengers movie? Nobody cared about Iron Man, Capt America or Thor prior to Marvel deciding it was time to give those characters their own films and build them up for a team up. If Avengers had come out after Iron Man, it would not have been the same and dare I say, the success of that film, the films around it, and Marvel as a franchise would not be the same. By building, WB is giving gen. audiences a chance to care about a team up film when it finally does launch. How is building hype instead of just rushing to pay off a bad risk? I'm not getting it. |
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02-06-2014, 01:58 PM | #451 |
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I don't think people would buy JGL as Batman. Bruce Wayne is always a safe bet. But it could have worked.
GL was such a disaster. I wonder if they ever had any idea about a sequel after the film was released. They clearly had one prior to such. |
02-06-2014, 02:00 PM | #452 |
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The risk is people not caring by the time they do it. Your argument hinges on these movies maintaining their returns. It may stay consistent if they do it the Marvel way, but it may not. And WB/DC are the kind of people who are scared to death of taking risks.
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02-06-2014, 02:04 PM | #453 |
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There's also risk in assuming people other than those like us want to see a JL team up and would shell out enough money to meet a successful return on a team up of heroes nobody has seen before.
Feel like the Marvel way is the best way. The only team up that would make sense at this point is Batman v Superman just because of the way the first film ended and the obvious casting to this point. |
02-06-2014, 02:34 PM | #455 |
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Let's also consider that Marvel has MUCH more freedom to stay true to their characters and story lines since they have their own studio (though that may change or may not with Disney).
I'm not entirely sure DC has this freedom with the WB. |
02-06-2014, 02:41 PM | #456 |
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WB owns DC, right? Figured that would give them even more flexibility.
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02-06-2014, 02:46 PM | #457 |
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Yes and no. Consider that WB is, first and foremost, a television media company, they naturally will want much more control over that.
Disney is a general company now, with parks, tv, their own character roster, movies, games, etc. I think they're a little more open to letting their franchise branches do whatever theyre gonna do, so long as it stays semi-kid friendly. Besides, Disney purchased Marvel after they had established their Avengers roster with their own films. It was after that that Disney saw Marvel as something profitable. Doubt they cared about comics prior to then (and still probably dont). |
02-06-2014, 04:03 PM | #458 | |
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As for needing separate movies, it may not be necessary for DC like it was for Marvel. I mean almost everyone knows Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and their stories. I'd say most even know Aquaman if he's to be used. Green Arrow and Flash have their own tv series' that have explained their origins. All that's really left is the Martian Manhunter and Cyborg. Manhunter would probably be the trickiest to work into this story though. Although maybe an alien from yet another planet could feed Lex's delusions and schemes. You also have to wonder which Lantern they will be using. Jordan is explained already even if the movie did leave some to be desired. However the Rock has sent out several tweets mentioning: #LanternCanWhupSuperman #JohnStewartCanStillWhupSupermansAss So that could be more time used as well if it's true. |
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02-06-2014, 06:06 PM | #459 |
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Batman and Superman, yes. WW? Flash? Lantern? No. Outside of the two landmark heroes, none of DC's other properties have received any relevant mainstream attention in decades, if at all.
Wonder Woman was popular in the 70s, and that's been it for her. Aquaman, Lantern, Cyborg, Manhunter, etc. have received little to no exposure, save the occasional JL animated film. They're not on the level of recognition that Bats and Supes are. Banking on the general audience knowing them and their stories is ludicrous to me. There's been zero exposure on almost any relevant scale for any of those characters. Lantern's movie was awful. I mean, really awful. Maybe one of the worst major comic book movies in the current era after Batman Begins kicked everything off in 2005, followed by the Marvel movement. Both Hulk movies had what the other didn't; Hulk had a better back story, and was a better written film, but lacked compelling action. Incredible Hulk had a shit ton of high paced action, a better score, IMO, but the story wasn't as compelling. I'd say they're about even, but are far from bad. Especially compared to Green Lantern. And while Arrow and Flash have their own shows, there's been zero indication that either of those characters' continuities will be integrated into MOS' world. And God, I hope the Rock does not play Lantern. Like, seriously hope. |
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Even if the actors and shows aren't integrated, and Green Arrow may not even be in the JLA movie, at least people will know the Flash's origins and the basics of what he's about just like with Green Lantern. Even if you didn't care for the movie it did explain what Hal was about and how he got his powers and that's all that is really needed to feed him into the story, unless they go with John Stewart and even then Oa, the rings and the corp are already established. Maybe they aren't established in this "universe" but it would be easy enough to bleed it all over and change the tone.
Nobody is on the level of recognition Batman or Superman are DC or Marvel. They have 75 years of pop culture behind them. Iron Man was essentially a nobody to the public before his movie and look at him now. He's the face of their franchise. Batman and Superman are the face of DC and they are already established, and I would argue that Wonder Woman is too. Would it have been nice to have a refresher for her? Sure, but she will be easy enough to explain. The rest are just ancillary characters to this movie so they only need to be so fleshed out and this will provide the entry point for them and the JLA movie can expand even more on it kind of like Hawkeye and Black Widow were done with Avengers. |
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03-21-2014, 08:30 PM | #462 |
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Might just be ok, after all. |
03-21-2014, 10:07 PM | #463 |
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Wait, when did the movie get pushed back a further year?
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03-21-2014, 10:35 PM | #464 |
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03-21-2014, 10:43 PM | #465 |
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03-22-2014, 12:31 AM | #468 |
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Seriously DC needs to step up they're getting their ass kicked Then again it might be a case of you want this done fast or do you want it done right? |
03-22-2014, 10:52 AM | #469 |
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I think it's option C. You don't want this done the same summer as Avengers 2.
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03-22-2014, 11:08 PM | #470 |
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Didn't Dark Knight Rises come out the same summer as the Avengers? I think we're overestimating how worried they are about the Avengers.
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03-22-2014, 11:45 PM | #471 |
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Well it was a Nolan film is a celebrated trilogy. I have to imagine Avengers 2 was at least on the 'cons' list of sticking to the date.
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03-23-2014, 12:41 AM | #472 |
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They are delaying so that The Flash show can get started and can get to a certain point before Flash makes an appearance in the movie.
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03-23-2014, 12:41 AM | #473 |
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03-23-2014, 10:08 AM | #475 |
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Wonder if people will have gotten sick of comic book movies by 2021.
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03-23-2014, 01:18 PM | #476 |
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nah probably not
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03-23-2014, 01:53 PM | #477 |
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Keep the stories compelling and varied in tone, and I highly doubt it. George Reeves played Superman on TV for 6 consecutive years BUT THAT WAS in an era where entertainment options were less (and less varied).
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you kinda contradicted your point there...
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03-24-2014, 08:20 AM | #479 |
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You're right. I blame the lack of sleep I've had recently. Editied the post to make the point better.
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03-24-2014, 08:23 AM | #480 |
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That's true, but you have people that will come out to see this movie just to see how Affleck does in it. It's a movie starring the two most famous comic characters of all. Unless it's a train wreck on the scale of Batman & Robin those two factors alone will likely make it a big success. They probably weren't happy about Avenger's coming out in the same summer and stealing some thunder, but I have serious doubts it scared them into moving it back an entire year especially when Marvel is putting out one or more of their movies every year anyway.
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