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Old 02-14-2016, 01:16 PM   #1001
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It's not even the fact that they're launching their universe in one movie like this.

The whole thing will pretty much be Batman and Superman. Even if they have a full Justice League roster on their hands, nobody gives a fuck about Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern etc.

And before any nerds get sand in their vaginas, I mean, "everyone" as in, the casual moviegoer, and no, I'm not an expert and I don't have quotes or sources or anything to validate my claims. But DC have always been shit at handling their characters outside of their main two. And yes, Batman and Superman are pretty much the two greatest comic book heroes of all time... but other than that... Aquaman? Who gives a shit.

Marvel has always been better at handling and taking risks with their characters. I mean, fucking hell we had a Guardians of the Galaxy film (which was a huge hit) before we even saw Wonder Woman on the big screen.

I like DC, it's just... DC sucks.
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Old 02-14-2016, 02:50 PM   #1002
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I like Aquaman lol.

He's actually pretty cool.
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Old 02-14-2016, 02:50 PM   #1003
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I think this will surprise people. I think DC took their time to carefully craft all of this while not paying attention to Marvel tbh (and I love Marvel too, I think both DC and Marvel are great).
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Old 02-14-2016, 02:52 PM   #1004
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All that said, I really want to see a Batman film set in a different time period for some reason...like a Batman film set in the 40s, 50s, 70s or 80s for some reason.
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Old 02-14-2016, 03:41 PM   #1005
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Nope. You're wrong.
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Old 02-14-2016, 07:04 PM   #1006
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I like DC, it's just... DC sucks.
They are better off trying to stick with TV because at least their failures will cost them less. Aside from Batman, Superman and at one time the Teen Titians their superhero comics sucked on a continuous basis and it seemed like their Vertigo line was the only thing keeping them afloat, until they fucked that up.
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I am keeping my expectations low since it is directed by Zack mothertuckin' Snyder.
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Old 02-22-2016, 09:23 PM   #1009
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Batman V Superman is going to be 151 minutes long.

That's about 2.5 hours.
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Old 02-23-2016, 08:11 AM   #1010
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It's not even the fact that they're launching their universe in one movie like this.

The whole thing will pretty much be Batman and Superman. Even if they have a full Justice League roster on their hands, nobody gives a fuck about Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern etc.

And before any nerds get sand in their vaginas, I mean, "everyone" as in, the casual moviegoer, and no, I'm not an expert and I don't have quotes or sources or anything to validate my claims. But DC have always been shit at handling their characters outside of their main two. And yes, Batman and Superman are pretty much the two greatest comic book heroes of all time... but other than that... Aquaman? Who gives a shit.

Marvel has always been better at handling and taking risks with their characters. I mean, fucking hell we had a Guardians of the Galaxy film (which was a huge hit) before we even saw Wonder Woman on the big screen.

I like DC, it's just... DC sucks.
Flash was always popular though. Or was he not part of the Justice League?
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Old 02-23-2016, 08:32 AM   #1011
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Flash was always popular though. Or was he not part of the Justice League?
Honest question, how many people outside of comic fans know/care about the Flash?

You think Mike Someone down the road gives a flying fuck about Barry Allen? Or whoever's the Flash these days. Not saying he's not a good character or anything, just saying, DC is basically Batman and Superman. Everyone else is like todays WWE roster to John Cena and Triple H.
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:42 AM   #1012
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Flash is well known from being in a lot of cartoons over the years and his TV show does well.
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Old 02-23-2016, 10:08 AM   #1013
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yeah flashpoint is one of my favourite animated features
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Old 02-23-2016, 12:51 PM   #1014
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Honest question, how many people outside of comic fans know/care about the Flash?

You think Mike Someone down the road gives a flying fuck about Barry Allen? Or whoever's the Flash these days. Not saying he's not a good character or anything, just saying, DC is basically Batman and Superman. Everyone else is like todays WWE roster to John Cena and Triple H.
Dude, Flash is a very big deal. Outside the big three (Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman) he is probably the biggest hero in the mainstream public. I don't think I've ever met someone who didn't know the Flash. They often don't know his secret identity or any of his villains, but people do recognize the Flash himself. Also with the current TV show doing as well as it is he's definitely got an even bigger presence now. Your comparison of Batman and Superman to Cena and Triple H doesn't really work. I'd say Batman is Macho Man, Superman is Hulk Hogan, and Wonder Woman is Andre the Giant. And if that's the case then I'd say Flash is probably Roddy Pipper in this equation.
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Old 02-23-2016, 01:08 PM   #1015
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Old 02-23-2016, 08:29 PM   #1016
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Dude, Flash is a very big deal. Outside the big three (Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman) he is probably the biggest hero in the mainstream public. I don't think I've ever met someone who didn't know the Flash. They often don't know his secret identity or any of his villains, but people do recognize the Flash himself. Also with the current TV show doing as well as it is he's definitely got an even bigger presence now. Your comparison of Batman and Superman to Cena and Triple H doesn't really work. I'd say Batman is Macho Man, Superman is Hulk Hogan, and Wonder Woman is Andre the Giant. And if that's the case then I'd say Flash is probably Roddy Pipper in this equation.
When you say "biggest hero in the mainstream public", you're sticking to DC characters, right?

That may be the case, and I'm not saying aren't familiar with "The Flash", but come on... I could name drop Wonder Woman to somebody, they'd know what I'm referring to, but would have no idea of her real name, powers, villains... pretty much anything other than the name itself and that she's a comic book superhero.
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:15 PM   #1017
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I would have had no idea who or what Green Arrow was before the TV series (Well, Smallville technically). Same thing with people like Black Panther from Marvel. But I have never met anyone that didn't know who Flash is.
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:38 PM   #1018
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Yeah, I'd say The Flash is pretty common knowledge.

Not sure about Green Lantern. Think a lot of people have probably heard about him, but have no idea who he is, what he looks like, or what his powers are. The Flash they would probably know "he runs fast".
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I think his point is when Superman and Batman is mentioned to some easy going casual they will know the secret identity, the origin, key villains, personality, etc. Guys like Flash, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman are still getting to that Santa Claus level of recognition.

I mean, sure my mom know of the Flash. But she doesn't know him like she knows Superman and Batman and Spider-Man. They transcend their own universes. People know Peter Parker the icon and can't even tell you if he's marvel or DC. He's bigger than that. These guys are fucking modern mythology.

THAT is what he means. It's not just that people know who the Flash is, it's that Superman and Batman are literally on par with Jesus in recognition of character and lore to the common person. Just like John Cena, Rock, and Hogan are known by non wrestling fans.
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Ive heard people who are not comic fans in the least say phrases like "run like the flash" or "like the flash" regarding something fast. When your character permeates to the subconscious of society then you are a pretty big deal.
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And I've never heard anybody but people in the know reference the Flash when making a speed analogy. My mom would never say 'that boy is fast like the Flash'. She would totally say 'he's strong like superman' or 'sneaky like batman'.

*Using my mother as a hypothetical non-nerd person. Though she's more in the know than most for real.
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When you say "biggest hero in the mainstream public", you're sticking to DC characters, right?

That may be the case, and I'm not saying aren't familiar with "The Flash", but come on... I could name drop Wonder Woman to somebody, they'd know what I'm referring to, but would have no idea of her real name, powers, villains... pretty much anything other than the name itself and that she's a comic book superhero.
Yes, when I said biggest hero in the mainstream public I was in fact referring to DC properties only. If we're including all heroes you could add Spider-Man and probably Wolverine to that list, though Wolverine would likely be more in the Flash camp of "slightly lesser known."

That said knowing villains, backstory, etc doesn't really matter here. Hell, I'd argue that there are just as many people that don't know that much about Batman or Superman as you're implying. Yeah, their origins and secret identities are really well known, but outside Lex Luthor and the Joker I doubt the average Joe could name many other villains that the two have. Hell, I'm a comic geek for the most part and I can really only name a few Superman exclusive villains. Brainiac, Lex, Doomsday, and... Yeah, I think that's all I can name off the top of my head.

Fact is Flash is very cemented in the popular culture of today. The fact that the name "the Flash" is known at all by people outside the comic book fandom shows that. He has transcended comics. Maybe not to the same level as Batman and Superman, but then again who has? Outside of Spider-Man I honestly can't think of anyone with that kind of exposure. Those three are on a whole different level. We've made the comparisons to wrestlers here, well, I'd say that Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man are like Hulk Hogan or the Rock. The ones who basically everyone knows no matter what. However, there are plenty of wrestlers that have a ton of name recognition outside that as well. Macho Man, Andre, Stone Cold, etc all fall into this category. I'd argue that Wonder Woman, Flash, and Wolverine fall here. Pretty much everyone knows the name and at least a little about them.
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Old 02-24-2016, 12:20 AM   #1025
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I think his point is when Superman and Batman is mentioned to some easy going casual they will know the secret identity, the origin, key villains, personality, etc. Guys like Flash, Green Arrow, Wonder Woman are still getting to that Santa Claus level of recognition.

I mean, sure my mom know of the Flash. But she doesn't know him like she knows Superman and Batman and Spider-Man. They transcend their own universes. People know Peter Parker the icon and can't even tell you if he's marvel or DC. He's bigger than that. These guys are fucking modern mythology.

THAT is what he means. It's not just that people know who the Flash is, it's that Superman and Batman are literally on par with Jesus in recognition of character and lore to the common person. Just like John Cena, Rock, and Hogan are known by non wrestling fans.
Like I said in my other reply. Knowing someone's villains isn't really that big a deal. I don't even know very many villains of heroes I don't personally follow like Superman. Plus name recognition and knowledge of powers and look are really more than enough to say that character has transcended their medium. Most people probably don't know all that much about Mickey Mouse, but I guarantee you almost anyone would know who you're talking about even if all you did was draw that dumb silhouette of his head.

Also that is LOL worthy how you mentioned Cena there. If Flash isn't considered mainstream then Cena certianly isn't. I've never met anyone outside of wrestling fans that knew anything about Cena other than his name and that he was "that wrestler guy," and even that is rare. I've seen more people that don't have a clue about Cena than I have ones that did.
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Just read that Warner Bros is already planning an "Ultimate Edition" for home release, that will be rated R.

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman and Superman rated R.
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Just read that Warner Bros is already planning an "Ultimate Edition" for home release, that will be rated R.

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman and Superman rated R.
Batman alone not at all

Superman in the mix yea
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Just read that Warner Bros is already planning an "Ultimate Edition" for home release, that will be rated R.

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman and Superman rated R.

Doesn't seem like it. Wasn't there a storyline where Superman basically equivocated himself to God and decided to be a giant douche? Isn't that (very loosely) what this movie touches on?

I've not followed anything about it.
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Just read that Warner Bros is already planning an "Ultimate Edition" for home release, that will be rated R.

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman and Superman rated R.
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Just read that Warner Bros is already planning an "Ultimate Edition" for home release, that will be rated R.

It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman and Superman rated R.
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Yeah, I'd say The Flash is pretty common knowledge.

Not sure about Green Lantern. Think a lot of people have probably heard about him, but have no idea who he is, what he looks like, or what his powers are. The Flash they would probably know "he runs fast".
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It just me, or does it seem like one would have to work REALLY HARD to try to make Batman rated R.

No, there is plenty of R-Rated material in the Comics. Some of the best known are probably The Killing Joke and Year One - but there are plenty others. Bats can get a tad on the dark side.
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