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Old 05-07-2018, 04:48 PM   #41841
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God, I'm remembering 2006 now:

* Edge losing the WWE Title in three weeks

* John Cena coming down on a spaceship

* "Kurt Angle doesn't know how to work heel"

* Rey Mysterio riding the legacy of Eddie

* WrestleMania 22 feeling like everybody was working with the wrong opponent

* Vince & Shane vs. Shawn & God

* DX reunion

* Big Show's ass

* "Sure, Vince -- we'll give those OVW guys a chance"

* Joey Styles not being good enough to call Backlash

* ECW

* Kurt Angle leaving

* The Great Khali's initial push

* Rey's title reign

* December to Dismember being a show where I could literally feel the death of Paul Heyman's passion for wrestling

* Here you go, Brent Albright -- we're going to throw you onto SmackDown with no fanfare or promotion, and you new name is "Gunner Scott"

* Mark Henry was not Hall of Pain Mark yet

* TNA hires Kurt Angle! Then they also hire Vince Russo...
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Old 05-07-2018, 04:49 PM   #41842
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Old 05-07-2018, 04:52 PM   #41843
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Any of you guys ever read Capitol Revolution by Tim Hornbaker? It's a book on the history of WWE that takes you from Jess McMahon and Toots Mondt founding the company to just before Vince Jr.'s national expansion. Definitely would recommend if you wanna learn about the stars of the company's early history like Antonino Rocca, Buddy Rogers, Johnny Valentine, Dr. Jerry Graham, Karl Von Hess, Killer Kowalski and Bobo Brazil. Imagine tag teams headlining and drawing like Fabulous Kangaroos, Antonino Rocca and Miguel Pérez, Graham Brothers, Tolos Brothers and Don Curtis and Mark Lewin.
You'd think that given the shift in how Vince McMahon wants his stars to presented, tag team wrestling would have made more of a comeback. I suppose he does occasionally put a super-team together and did run with DX and tried a tag team main event in 2011. And there was The Shield. But with the WWE brand being the most important thing to Vince when it comes to drawing, I'm surprised he hasn't pushed a tag team as the centerpiece of a show, so he can have more stars, as he defines them.
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Old 05-07-2018, 04:53 PM   #41844
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The sad thing is that they're not even a bad-bad in the sense that things went wrong. That is just how bland-bad they are these days. In many ways, the show went off exactly as it was supposed to.
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Old 05-07-2018, 04:56 PM   #41845
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That was like a decade ago. I doubt Triple H has changed as much as people say he has. I think he just signs those sorts of guys now so that he can get over as the savior of wrestling, just like he tried to get over as a heel by working the internet fans too. They used to make him so insecure, haha.
I can kinda get what you're saying as I kinda feel the same way about Triple H.

For the longest time, I've always thought Triple H's views and actions towards NXT hasn't always been 100% genuine and has had other reasons behind what he and the WWE put out there.

I just can't help but think that if NXT was around from 2002-2005, Triple H would be nowhere near as invested as he is with NXT now. In fact, I think he would actually be against the idea all together and try to get that across to Vince via Stephanie.

I just find it weird that all the big indy names didn't make it to the WWE until Triple H had quietly retreated from the main event scene and full time wrestling.

It's kinda like he thought "I've had my fun and been the centre of attention for a good period of time, now I don't wrestle so much, so I can now get those good indy guys here and look forward to the praise I'll get from the fans and those guys on the internet."

Something like that anyway.

It's hard to put into words but hopefully you all understand what I'm getting at.
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Old 05-07-2018, 04:59 PM   #41846
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* WrestleMania 22 feeling like everybody was working with the wrong opponent
WrestleMania 22 was pretty bad.

It didn't feel like WrestleMania at all.

It felt very low-key for WrestleMania.
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Old 05-07-2018, 05:30 PM   #41847
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I can kinda get what you're saying as I kinda feel the same way about Triple H.

For the longest time, I've always thought Triple H's views and actions towards NXT hasn't always been 100% genuine and has had other reasons behind what he and the WWE put out there.

I just can't help but think that if NXT was around from 2002-2005, Triple H would be nowhere near as invested as he is with NXT now. In fact, I think he would actually be against the idea all together and try to get that across to Vince via Stephanie.

I just find it weird that all the big indy names didn't make it to the WWE until Triple H had quietly retreated from the main event scene and full time wrestling.

It's kinda like he thought "I've had my fun and been the centre of attention for a good period of time, now I don't wrestle so much, so I can now get those good indy guys here and look forward to the praise I'll get from the fans and those guys on the internet."

Something like that anyway.

It's hard to put into words but hopefully you all understand what I'm getting at.
I know 100% what you mean, and I concur.

They've spent millions on this performance facility, and they run NXT at a deficit. In that time, which wrestlers has it produced? Charlotte? Bliss? Braun? I'll even give them Roman. But what about that list of talent is significantly better than the ones that would come out of OVW?

It feels like a vanity project to me. Functionality-wise, NXT has failed to create new stars. If it is supposed to function as developmental, I really think it's overrated. Tom Prichard in a warehouse would probably get better results.
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Old 05-07-2018, 05:36 PM   #41848
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It was just two years ago that Triple H made sure he was in the biggest main event, in terms of attendance, in WrestleMania history. That ego is still there. He's switched from putting himself over this talent to getting them to put over what a visionary he is. All the heels he crowns champions are secondary to him -- see: Rollins, Seth; Owens, Kevin -- and there's that whole Jinder thing from last year (which was actually hilarious).

I dunno, I'm just not on the "Triple H is good for wrestling" bandwagon. I think his ego is in fostering that image for himself while Vince is in power.
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Old 05-07-2018, 05:39 PM   #41849
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WrestleMania 22 was pretty bad.

It didn't feel like WrestleMania at all.

It felt very low-key for WrestleMania.
I remember being very...meh at the show. Edge, Shawn Michaels, John Cena and The Undertaker all felt like they were in the wrong matches. The only thing that actually felt right heading into the show was Mickie/Trish, and that's why it was my favorite thing on the show. Shawn and Vince had a fun match, and Edge and Foley delivered what they were trying to deliver, but I couldn't enjoy them because they felt...disjointed from where the story should be.
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Old 05-07-2018, 06:12 PM   #41850
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Old 05-07-2018, 11:38 PM   #41851
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You'd think that given the shift in how Vince McMahon wants his stars to presented, tag team wrestling would have made more of a comeback. I suppose he does occasionally put a super-team together and did run with DX and tried a tag team main event in 2011. And there was The Shield. But with the WWE brand being the most important thing to Vince when it comes to drawing, I'm surprised he hasn't pushed a tag team as the centerpiece of a show, so he can have more stars, as he defines them.
Not sure what his thing w/ tag teams are. Recently I read that ratings spike when New Day is on.
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Old 05-08-2018, 12:02 AM   #41852
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His dad was the same way about tag teams. On MSG shows they were mainly on last and would go to curfew draws quite a bit, back when being on last didn't mean being the main event. Title changes more often than not happened on the weekly T.V.You'd never see the IC belt and World Title change hands in T.V. It's never been booked as the Centrepiece of the promotion.
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Old 05-08-2018, 12:09 AM   #41853
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If rumors are to be believed, seems the reason why Cena and Nikki broke up is a lot more juicer than previously told.

Supposedly Nikki didn't break up with Cena because she finally got fed up with his marriage and children non-commitment but instead because she found out he was cheating on her.

May or may not have involved Becky since she broke up with her own boyfriend around the same time Nikki's breakup went public and she upposedly has been hanging out with Cena.

If its true, that would be the 2nd relationship in a row for Cena that ended with him getting busted for cheating.
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Old 05-08-2018, 12:29 AM   #41854
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I actually read online today that he might be screwing Carmella
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Old 05-08-2018, 12:34 AM   #41856
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If this gets Becky more main events WHATEVER IT TAKES
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If this gets Becky more main events WHATEVER IT TAKES
Not if he pulled a Smackdwn booking with their relationship assuming the stuff about Carmella is true and he dated Becky first. Right when things were starting to look bright for Becky, she gets quickly tossed to the side again.
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According to the Observer and Post Wrestling, a possible reason why WWE now has longer over-runs for PPVs is due to them using a new metric to pad Network numbers in fiscal reports.

Supposedly they now track things based on minutes watched instead of views or something else so they can artificially boost the amount of interest the Network has as a service. Making PPVs longer lets them boost minutes watched per subscriber per month for reports.
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Old 05-08-2018, 01:30 AM   #41859
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That is simply atrocious. Reducing the quality of your product for numbers


I guess you have to do shit like this if you're a publicly traded company
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According to the Observer and Post Wrestling, a possible reason why WWE now has longer over-runs for PPVs is due to them using a new metric to pad Network numbers in fiscal reports.

Supposedly they now track things based on minutes watched instead of views or something else so they can artificially boost the amount of interest the Network has as a service. Making PPVs longer lets them boost minutes watched per subscriber per month for reports.
So if you don't watch the events anyway?
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There was an episode of Raw where Edge was feuding with Triple H, and Edge got assistance from Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch. They sent London & Kendrick, who were feuding with Cade & Murdoch at the time, out there to help run off the heels. "Cool, six-man tag" I thought. Triple H then Pedigrees Paul London as Brian Kendrick has to stand around like a fucking goof as Triple H just plays around with his buddy. Then Kendrick also got a Pedigree and Raw fucking sucked.

That was like a decade ago. I doubt Triple H has changed as much as people say he has. I think he just signs those sorts of guys now so that he can get over as the savior of wrestling, just like he tried to get over as a heel by working the internet fans too. They used to make him so insecure, haha.
Seeing Lance Cade here made me think of another random moment. I remember in 2008, they'd sent Kendrick back to SmackDown to give him at least something resembling a push.

London on the other hand was just left alone on Raw as an enhancement guy. And I seem to remember Jericho (managed by Cade) squashing London and then cutting a promo on him.

And since this was right during the HBK feud, I was thinking maybe London and HBK would team up to face Jericho and Cade.

Silly me.
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Apparently London and Kendrick haven't even spoken in years. Basically not since Kendrick went back to WWE.

Sad they were best buds. That being said we've all had friends we've drifted apart from for one reason or another.
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If rumors are to be believed, seems the reason why Cena and Nikki broke up is a lot more juicer than previously told.

Supposedly Nikki didn't break up with Cena because she finally got fed up with his marriage and children non-commitment but instead because she found out he was cheating on her.

May or may not have involved Becky since she broke up with her own boyfriend around the same time Nikki's breakup went public and she upposedly has been hanging out with Cena.

If its true, that would be the 2nd relationship in a row for Cena that ended with him getting busted for cheating.
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I didn't know Becky and her boyfriend broke up.

I also didn't know that Carmella and Big Cass broke up.

By the looks of it, if the rumours are true, Cena seems to sit and wait for relationships to end before pouncing on the newly single female.
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That is simply atrocious. Reducing the quality of your product for numbers


I guess you have to do shit like this if you're a publicly traded company
Longer matches doesn't necessarily mean worse matches.
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Old 05-08-2018, 02:31 PM   #41869
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If they had any sense they'd have Ambrose team up with Reigns in a tag match and then have Reigns turn on Ambrose but their trying once again to get him over with the crowd with this Jinder feud.
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I've noticed with the recent T-Shirts that the WWE's graphic design department seem to be going through a phase of making logos for the wrestlers that mostly just consist of their initials.

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They’re pretty awful logos.
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I've noticed with the recent T-Shirts that the WWE's graphic design department seem to be going through a phase of making logos for the wrestlers that mostly just consist of their initials.

Is that Triple H's logo?

Cause it looks like an H with a huge nose.
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It's Jeff Hardy's.
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They’re pretty awful logos.
I wouldn't say they're "awful" as such.

They're "contemporary" but at the same time, not very creative.
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The most creative one there is probably Jeff Hardy's.

Followed by Bobby Lashley's, The IIconics', Carmella's and then Samoa Joe's.
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I can only recognize Cena's. Whose are the others?
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Oh, haha. That's Carmella, not Cena. Fair enough.
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I wouldn't say they're "awful" as such.

They're "contemporary" but at the same time, not very creative.
I get what you're saying, but I'll play:

"L3"

Samoa Joe's looks like it is missing "W" at the end.

My favorite thing about Carmella's is that is you rotate it you can make "C-U-N". If only her hands were positioned slightly differently...

Silhouettes in the letters of the word they can't spell. Nothing says "Women's Revolution" like the shapely outline of a dumb sex object with lesbian undertones.

Jeff's got a warped green beard because they need to get a "J" in there. Is a green "J" supposed to represent something?
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