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Old 08-22-2021, 03:42 PM   #281
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If you’re suspending disbelief and it wasn’t scripted then that would mean he’s been soundly defeated in recent years by midcarders. So his credibility suffers.

If you’re accepting it as being its own scripted world then the character he’s playing has been soundly defeated in recent years by midcarders. So his credibility suffers.

If you want to ignore the scripted fights and only focus on the real ones then why the fuck should I care about his next scripted fight?

No matter how you look at it, there’s a major problem. There’s no reason to buy into him as a threat in the very show they’re presenting anymore other than WWE simply telling you “OMG UNSTOPPABLE BEEEAST!!!!!” and counting on your gullibility.
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Old 08-22-2021, 03:44 PM   #282
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Did I miss something? Heyman is no longer with lesnar now?
I don’t think he ever actually dropped Lesnar as a client. Lesnar just went away and a Heyman took on Reigns as a client.
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Old 08-22-2021, 03:54 PM   #283
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Why are you using “if it wasn’t scripted” to explain why his character in a scripted world is credible?
Because even if his character loses, he is still Brock Lesnar. Just like Kurt Angle, no matter how often he lost, he was still a gold medalist. Outside accomplishments like that will always give them more credibility than any scripted loss.
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Old 08-22-2021, 04:46 PM   #284
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They’re promoting scripted matches. If the results of his scripted matches don’t effect his character then why should anyone care about his scripted matches? This is a form of the “wins and losses don’t matter” mentality that has made WWE unwatchable.

They either matter or they don’t. You can’t have it both ways.
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Old 08-22-2021, 04:51 PM   #285
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Nobody talking about Cena’s bald spot up in here? Dude almost as bald as Steve Austin!
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Old 08-22-2021, 05:12 PM   #286
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Seriously, what are you talking about? I've never deleted a Skeletor post before.
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He's had that thinning spot 10+ years now, just looks more obvious with the longer hair.
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Old 08-22-2021, 05:15 PM   #288
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Old 08-22-2021, 05:19 PM   #289
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They’re promoting scripted matches. If the results of his scripted matches don’t effect his character then why should anyone care about his scripted matches? This is a form of the “wins and losses don’t matter” mentality that has made WWE unwatchable.

They either matter or they don’t. You can’t have it both ways.
Yes, they matter, but they dont matter enough that they hurt his credibility. No matter who beats him, when he walks out he still former UFC Heavyweight Champion. Unlike almost any other wrestler who your point i'd agree with 100%, his fake fighting character can lose but he still has that UFC credibility. It happened, and that is part of his WWE Character whether he wins or loses.
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Old 08-22-2021, 05:31 PM   #290
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Old 08-22-2021, 05:43 PM   #291
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If his stock is not effected by wins and losses then wins and losses don’t matter. If wins and losses don’t matter then his matches don’t matter.

It’s fine to use his UFC history as part of his character but you don’t get to ignore the stuff you’ve actually booked and the story you’ve actually told in wrestling WITHIN wrestling.
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Old 08-22-2021, 05:54 PM   #293
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If his stock is not effected by wins and losses then wins and losses don’t matter. If wins and losses don’t matter then his matches don’t matter.
Again, they matter, just not as much as what he accomplished in real combat sports.
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Old 08-22-2021, 06:09 PM   #295
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If someone made a movie about Mike Tyson and throughout the movie Mike Tyson constantly gets his ass kicked in boxing matches by nobodies but everyone ignores it and still just promotes him as an unstoppable boxer would that be proper storytelling to you because “real life”?
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Old 08-22-2021, 06:23 PM   #296
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I’d buy the “respect UFC Champions” line more if we didn’t all unanimously laugh Cain Velazquez out of the building.
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Old 08-22-2021, 06:24 PM   #297
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Also AEW had two UFC Heavyweight Champions on Dynamite so I guess we have to respect them too?
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Old 08-22-2021, 06:28 PM   #298
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Also also to clarify on the Gertner editing posts claim: Gertner has only edited or deleted Skeletor’s posts under his Noid sock. Gertner has not edited or deleted Skeltor’s posts under his Skeletor gimmick. Thanks.
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Also also to clarify on the Gertner editing posts claim: Gertner has only edited or deleted Skeletor’s posts under his Noid sock. Gertner has not edited or deleted Skeletor’s posts. Thanks.
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I literally have access to the moderator board which shows who has edited posts.

I come from a place of knowledge.
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If someone made a movie about Mike Tyson and throughout the movie Mike Tyson constantly gets his ass kicked in boxing matches by nobodies but everyone ignores it and still just promotes him as an unstoppable boxer would that be proper storytelling to you because “real life”?
Is he portraying Mike Tyson in the movie? Better question, if Mike Tyson lost 3 of his last 4 professional boxing matches, hasnt had a professional bout in 16, and is 55 years old, why did AEW still promote him as Iron Mike Tyson?



Answer is because regardless how many losses he had, he still has those credentials, he knocked out all those people.

Is this because of Punk? Do we have to ignore Brock's credentials in order to be able to ignore Punk being so terribly bad he got tickled by a part time photographer/announcer in an actual MMA fight?
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Better question, if Mike Tyson lost 3 of his last 4 professional boxing matches, hasnt had a professional bout in 16, and is 55 years old, why did AEW still promote him as Iron Mike Tyson?
... Because that’s his nickname. It’s literally just the name he goes by. So they call him that. Jesus. How did you think that was a logical response? Your desperate “But AEW!” diversion attempt is denied. Answer the question...

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Is he portraying Mike Tyson in the movie?
Yes. I thought that “a movie ABOUT Mike Tyson” part would make that clear.
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... Because that’s his nickname. It’s literally just the name he goes by. So they call him that. Jesus. How did you think that was a logical response? Your desperate “But AEW!” Diversion is denied. Answer the question...





Yes. I thought that “a movie ABOUT Mike Tyson” part would make that clear.
Dont do that "but AEW" bit. You know that was not at all a knock at AEW. That was just saying Iron Mike Tyson is still promoted as Iron Mike Tyson because he earned that rep.

Brock Lesnar will always be a badass combat athlete because he has earned that rep.

Movie character Mike Tyson can lose, and actual Mike Tyson would still have earned the baddest man on the planet moniker.
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Old 08-22-2021, 08:57 PM   #307
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Mike Tyson is a former world heavyweight champion. We must respect him, and therefore AEW.


These rules are confusing but I guess we have to go with it.
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Movie character Mike Tyson can lose, and actual Mike Tyson would still have earned the baddest man on the planet moniker.
So is that a “yes” to my question?

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If someone made a movie about Mike Tyson and throughout the movie Mike Tyson constantly gets his ass kicked in boxing matches by nobodies but everyone ignores it and still just promotes him as an unstoppable boxer would that be proper storytelling to you because “real life”?
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Mike Tyson is a former world heavyweight champion. We must respect him, and therefore AEW.


These rules are confusing but I guess we have to go with it.
Literally said nothing about AEW other than they correctly promoted Mike Tyson.
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Old 08-22-2021, 09:24 PM   #310
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So is that a “yes” to my question?
Its the same thing ive already said, it matters, just not more than his actual credentials.

Kurt Angle lost his last match to Baron Corbin, we all thought that was dumb. That said, if Kurt showed up in lets say Impact, so as not to get any "but AEW" anger, would fans pop and want to see him, or would they shit on it because he lost to Baron Corbin?
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I see xrod is still jobbing to fan and either refusing to answer a question or exposing his lack of reading comprehension
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I see everybody might have forgot xrod is blocked for me, and and and I havent reminded them in like 2 weeks, THEY NEED TO KNOW!!!!!!!! IT'S SOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOL!
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Why can’t you actually answer the question I asked? It’s pretty telling.
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I wanna see what they’re gonna do with Belair. They can’t undo such an awful moment, and I don’t think it’s going to galvanize the fans to get behind her the way it did with Daniel Bryan, but I do wanna see how they try to talk their way around it if they do or Bianca is just pushed to the back of the line while Becky starts steamrolling the rest of the division.
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Why can’t you actually answer the question I asked? It’s pretty telling.
I've answered it 4 times.

Yes, wins and losses matter. No, they don't hurt Brock Lesnar's credibility. Seth Rollins did not curb stomp Lesnar's credentials away.
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Holy shit, dude. That’s not the question. Let me quote the question for a 3rd time...

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If someone made a movie about Mike Tyson and throughout the movie Mike Tyson constantly gets his ass kicked in boxing matches by nobodies but everyone ignores it and still just promotes him as an unstoppable boxer would that be proper storytelling to you because “real life”?
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Holy shit, dude. That’s not the question. Let me quote the question for a 3rd time...
I already answered that too...

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Movie character Mike Tyson can lose, and actual Mike Tyson would still have earned the baddest man on the planet moniker.
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That does not answer the question.

Why is answering a simple yes or no question so fucking hard for you?
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Old 08-22-2021, 11:19 PM   #319
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That does not answer the question.

Why is answering a simple yes or no question so fucking hard for you?
That is my answer, it is not a yes or no answer. You hypothetical question is answered, if you dislike the answer I am sorry.
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This is why attempts at a discourse with you devolve into people just insulting your reading comprehension or just calling you dumb. At least it did when people still tried to engage you. Now it’s just my stubborn ass here pulling teeth.
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