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Old 09-09-2021, 02:58 PM   #41
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If AEW could get the Bellas it would be their biggest coup to date!
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Old 09-09-2021, 03:30 PM   #42
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Add Sami Zayn to the rumor mill. His contact may be expiring in November. Could easily see El Genrico in AEW along with Kevin Steen. It really makes almost too much sense.
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Old 09-09-2021, 04:14 PM   #43
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If they get Sami Zayn and let him go back to the El Generico gimmick they are dumb
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Old 09-09-2021, 04:16 PM   #44
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i agree 100%. he's evolved well past that gimmick and as much as i loved it i never want to see it in earnest ever again.
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Old 09-09-2021, 04:22 PM   #45
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That being said, knowing AEW, if he said he wanted to do it they would 100% let him instead of telling him it is a bad idea
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Old 09-09-2021, 04:44 PM   #46
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AEW should have gone after the names they’re getting right from the start. They’re finally ending up where they should have been two years ago. Some may say “better late than never,” but I’m not really so sure.

WWE is its own worst enemy. AEW itself is no threat. But because of that, WWE have refused to change their practices to even sell their existence. This is chasing off talent, but the problem is the other circus is going to piss away any momentum they can bring in with them.

In theory, with Punk, Danielson and Cole on the show, there would be less room for Matt Hardy, Joey Janela and Orange Cassidy. But the problem is, AEW thinks that is all good shit. Their quality compass is way off, so you’re going to get the inevitable shitting of the bed that caps their audience.

So we’re left with a scenario where a lot of potentially valuable talent leave the auspices of Vince, but can’t make an impact, so WWE never changes and AEW hovers around 1 million viewers for eternity.

AEW, as a concept, had the potential to destroy WWE and really change wrestling. They’ve given dissatisfied talent another place to work, but the net damage to wrestling is going to be greater as both major companies slowly wring out interest.
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Old 09-09-2021, 04:56 PM   #47
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Feel like I never hear about MLW, ROH or New Japan these days

NWA and Impact seem to get more attention than them
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Old 09-09-2021, 04:56 PM   #48
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Sami should go to NWA and become their heavyweight champ
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I never hear about wrestling at all. Occasionally I’ll hear someone reference something from the past, but there is zero interest in modern products.
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Old 09-09-2021, 05:10 PM   #50
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Sami Zayn should just go to the place that is going to make him happiest. Whether that’s for money, personal satisfaction or a balance. There is no art to this anymore. Wherever he goes, he’s just going to be a guy taking meaningless bumps for the enjoyment of <2 million white nerds.
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Old 09-09-2021, 06:46 PM   #51
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No he should go to AEW.
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Old 09-09-2021, 07:20 PM   #52
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If they get Sami Zayn and let him go back to the El Generico gimmick they are dumb
I don’t think he’d want to go to that. He’s evolved way past a caricature of a luchadore.

Well plus having an Arab Canadian portraying a Mexican is a bit problematic.
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Old 09-09-2021, 07:48 PM   #53
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Sami should go to NWA and become their heavyweight champ
That would solve their major problem of not having a big beloved babyface star to build their company around.

Having Nick Aldis as the top heel to start off was a good decision but he's also not someone you'd actually revolve the whole company around for as long as they did with his title reign. Their biggest problem was barely building up anyone to his level that you could legit see being their future long term top babyface star for the company, especially on the younger side.

Murdoch's recent title win was a great "feel good" moment but I wouldn't be surprised if his reign ends up being more like a stop gap till whenever Aldis gets the belt back.

I wouldn't be surprised if that issue is why Corgan has yet to secure an actual tv deal for the company since he doesn't really have that big marketable babyface star to convince tv networks to buy into them.
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Old 09-10-2021, 02:34 AM   #54
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I would have to think Sami ends up where Kevin goes.
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Old 09-10-2021, 04:21 AM   #55
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I hope Becky goes to AEW and sleeps with Powerhouse Hobbs behind Seth Rollins back.
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I hope AEW goes in the trash where it belongs.
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Old 09-11-2021, 08:46 PM   #57
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well thats not constructive
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Old 09-12-2021, 12:50 AM   #58
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AEW should have gone after the names they’re getting right from the start. They’re finally ending up where they should have been two years ago. Some may say “better late than never,” but I’m not really so sure.

WWE is its own worst enemy. AEW itself is no threat. But because of that, WWE have refused to change their practices to even sell their existence. This is chasing off talent, but the problem is the other circus is going to piss away any momentum they can bring in with them.

In theory, with Punk, Danielson and Cole on the show, there would be less room for Matt Hardy, Joey Janela and Orange Cassidy. But the problem is, AEW thinks that is all good shit. Their quality compass is way off, so you’re going to get the inevitable shitting of the bed that caps their audience.

So we’re left with a scenario where a lot of potentially valuable talent leave the auspices of Vince, but can’t make an impact, so WWE never changes and AEW hovers around 1 million viewers for eternity.

AEW, as a concept, had the potential to destroy WWE and really change wrestling. They’ve given dissatisfied talent another place to work, but the net damage to wrestling is going to be greater as both major companies slowly wring out interest.
It sucks that AEW didn't pan out exactly how I wanted. As the late great Nikki Bella once said, "I wish AEW died in the womb."
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Old 09-12-2021, 10:25 AM   #59
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Most people do not want the Wwe to be destroyed. They want real honest change. And while Aew's presentation is all over the place I feel their desire to work with other promotions is exactly what the industry needs
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Old 09-12-2021, 08:38 PM   #60
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i dunno if i agree with that i think most people would say what you said but i think the average person likes watching anything successful fail. celebrities or companies its all the same. people love watching success crumble.
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Old 09-12-2021, 09:02 PM   #61
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Old 09-12-2021, 09:06 PM   #62
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I would love to see WWE fail to a point where they had no choice but to put out a great product like they did in 97.
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Old 09-13-2021, 01:02 AM   #63
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I think the ability to rotate is gonna be valuable to them going forward. WWE has no offseason and only the top guys seem to be able to negotiate time off.

AEW can send someone off for a couple months like with Hangman and have plenty enough to cover the loss.

Helps the wrestlers not only for their overall wellness but also creatively you aren’t trying to shoehorn too many people onto the show just to keep up appearances.
Also, they could viably have people "fuck off for awhile" with all this Forbidden Door business (much like "pipebomb", it kinda morphed into specifically meaning dealing with New Japan instead of intermingling of other ACTUALLY separate promotions period instead of the pretend separate promotions WWE set up). Some of those jobbers might find fortune (get over/land a spot for themselves) in a NWA or MLW or elsewhere with zero hard feelings in a way that ROH and TNA used to trade talent before TNA shut that door with the "exclusive talent" stuff, and then sending that one memo about no longer booking their guys.

It would be nice if some of this love got spread around instead of everyone automatically gravitating towards AEW (or Impact seemingly by proxy). Seems a good time to give other promotions some jump start attention since WWE is content to pull their own pants down and bend themselves over.
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Old 09-13-2021, 01:34 AM   #64
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AEW should have gone after the names they’re getting right from the start. They’re finally ending up where they should have been two years ago. Some may say “better late than never,” but I’m not really so sure.
If you recall, though, that just so happened to be when WWE didn't do their annual post Wrestlemania housecleaning and started extending people's contracts/giving them raises and other shit to stop their grumbling (remember how there were rumors of Sasha Banks and Bayley potentially going away, then suddenly they are suddenly and inexplicably re-paired and become the first ever female tag champs?). Part of the plan had to be to take disgruntled talent fresh from Stamford. Even though they hired their buddies, some of those folks were obviously stop-gaps for the mass exodus that never came.

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WWE is its own worst enemy. AEW itself is no threat. But because of that, WWE have refused to change their practices to even sell their existence. This is chasing off talent, but the problem is the other circus is going to piss away any momentum they can bring in with them.

In theory, with Punk, Danielson and Cole on the show, there would be less room for Matt Hardy, Joey Janela and Orange Cassidy. But the problem is, AEW thinks that is all good shit. Their quality compass is way off, so you’re going to get the inevitable shitting of the bed that caps their audience.

So we’re left with a scenario where a lot of potentially valuable talent leave the auspices of Vince, but can’t make an impact, so WWE never changes and AEW hovers around 1 million viewers for eternity.
Though true that AEW itself is no threat, they've kinda backed into a decent concept with their open border policy of fully sanctioning their guys to appear elsewhere, and vice versa. Initially, the whole thing with Moxley (pre-pandemic, of course) hinged upon him flying back and forth between the US and Japan and pretending those two universes don't exist to the other place. While a unique plan, it's actually even better when he was recognized as the NJPW US champion, or having everyone's favorite murder grandpa show up in AEW. While true it does nothing (and in a way is actually detrimental) for AEW, it actually does good for North American wrestling as a whole.

That, coupled with WWE running full steam with the idea that "talent" is an interchangeable commodity like indistinguishable cogs in a machine, has shifted the power dynamic immensely.

It's not that AEW is outright "winning", but they are attracting attention, being exciting and more fun to watch than WWE, and at the exact same time, WWE is doubling down on what is fucking them up to begin with.

It is basically like an incompotent, ragtag militia that accidentially won a short skirmish or two, versus a war machine nation that could EASILY crush them in an actual war, but decided to up and withdraw their troops and scale down their army size and defensive capabilities for seemingly zero reason... and let some commanders just defect to potentially make the opposition a better army.

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I think "destroy WWE" is a bridge too far. It had the potential to change them for the better, for sure.

This is where I go back to what I said elsewhere about feeling sorry for HHH in a way. I think the idea was that he was going to be basically running WWE now, since Vinice would have more time devoted to XFL 2.0. When he got his eyes back on the product, there would be main roster talent like UE, and Martinez (don't know why I'm blanking on his "generated name" right now) and Keith Lee and featuring a lot of the talent that ended up being mad at him for being "lied to", because HE planned on pushing them in Vince's absense. And then, if Vince got mad, he'd see matches or merch sales and ratings and, possibly begrudingly, be fine with it. One of those "forgiveness over permission" things. Then Vince abruptly shuttered his football plan and fucked up the progression of development.

I do agree that they have the potential to "wring out interest" as you put it; AEW from trying to do too much at once, and WWE by trying harder and harder be a wrestling promotion that isn't wrestling at all. And not in the Max Landis way.
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Oh man, imagine if they got Steen, Generico and Gargano. You know what would change? Nothing.
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What if you add Kung Funaki to the mix? These filthy yanks would go bonkers.
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Funaki is pretty entrenched in WWE. If they got him, it would be a steal though. He’d be more recognisable than any of the New Japan guys, honestly. His work is probably less silly too, but I don’t even know if the guy can still go.
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I'm curious to know more about your wrestling taste. How would you book the perfect wrestling show? It doesn't have to be a promotion or competition to the big players.
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Sensibly. Have things make sense and exist in some sort of reality where they are actually possible. Psychology is important. Selling. A show should build. Organic promos and I’d encourage talent to call it in the ring. It always makes matches feel more organic, which is more important than whether or not the “movez” are cool.
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Sensibly. Have things make sense and exist in some sort of reality where they are actually possible. Psychology is important. Selling. A show should build. Organic promos and I’d encourage talent to call it in the ring. It always makes matches feel more organic, which is more important than whether or not the “movez” are cool.
Selling is certainly an art form that needs to be revived. If it doesn't add to the story you're telling in the ring, there's no need to get in all the flashy moves you have in your repertoire.

Which was the last mainstream match that you enjoyed? Besides the UK title match.
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I actually really enjoyed The Creed Brothers squashing those guys on NXT just this week. I always like Cesaro’s matches, Nakamura’s and Chad Gable’s. I need to go back and watch Cesaro and Gable from a few weeks ago, because I just saw highlights.
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I'm definitely intrigued by the Creed brothers. They seem very promising.

As someone who was solidly behind Gable for years, he's slowly creeping into Dolph Ziggler territory in terms of interest. For all the praise Cesaro deserves for his in-ring capabilities, his character work is subpar. I don't subscribe to Vince's logic that he's foreign because there are international acts who have eclipsed state side performers in terms of mic work.
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I want NXT to feature main roster talent sporadically. Alpha Academy vs. The Creed Brothers could be amazing. Put Jason Jordan in the corner of The Creed Brothers for some tension. Or have him turn on Gable & Otis for an actual feud there.

But main roster-wise, while I think Gable & Otis are amazing as a team, I’d like to see Gable take on a bit of a singles role with Otis as his heavy. Maybe on Raw and let Gable win the US Title and be a proud and arrogant US hero.

Damian Priest can either move up or move over to SmackDown.

Cesaro is...mmm. I think you could present him as a top star and his ring skills can carry it. Not THE top star, but he’s kind of like a Chris Benoit that way (awfulness aside). He’s always got value as a tag team performer. He’s like a better Billy Gunn that way. I want to see him vs. WALTER real bad. Put that on Raw? I think that’s a reason to watch the show, which is hard to say these days.
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WALTER vs Cesaro would be awesome. I'd also like to see him get into a slap fest with McIntyre. I'm still angry at him for doing WALTER dirty at Survivor Series.
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My lazy plan to try and fix Raw (impossible):

* WALTER to Raw. Maybe Ilja Draganov too.

* Cesaro to Raw.

* Alpha Academy to Raw.

* Timothy Thatcher, Pete Dunne, Oney Lorcan, Danny Burch.

Raw basically gets a “technical” division. That NXT UK style, mixed with a couple of big boys like Sheamus and Keith Lee who beat the shit out of each other.

If you did a G1-style tournament and had WALTER, Pete Dunne, Tyler Bate, Chad Gable, Keith Lee and Drew McIntyre on one side. Throw in Jeff Hardy and John Morrison for a bit of variation. The other block is Cesaro, Sheamus, Tim Thatcher, Drew Gulak, Oney Lorcan, Otis, Matt Riddle and Ilya Draganov. That’s quite a few weeks of just solid wrestling action every week. Whatever.
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It would end up a gauntlet instead of a tournament and a one night angle instead of something over weeks of time.
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Oh, of course. But if you want some ideas as to how to offer something AEW doesn’t and can’t to make a 3 hour Raw somewhere bearable, then that’s a fine little autopilot thing you can do.
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I do agree with you on that group of guys. Under the WWE/NXT umbrella they have a great group of hard nose shooter types that will make for something that could be really good if they are managed correctly.
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