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Old 08-08-2021, 11:02 PM   #361
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The sick fucks at WWE tried to keep the trademark for Chelsea Green's real name after they released her, but then she tweeted about it and WWE started getting internet backlash, so they now are going to back off and let her have the trademark to her real birth name, according to Fightful
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Old 08-08-2021, 11:17 PM   #362
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The sick fucks at WWE tried to keep the trademark for Chelsea Green's real name after they released her, but then she tweeted about it and WWE started getting internet backlash, so they now are going to back off and let her have the trademark to her real birth name, according to Fightful
LOL! I always wondered when wrestlers legally changed their names (Warrior, Ryback) to get around trademarks, if WWE would ever try it the other way around. Looks like we now have the answer
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Old 08-08-2021, 11:22 PM   #363
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Ideally they would focus on Johnny Curtises who look like, wrestle like and have the charisma of Johnny Curtises.

But fuck another boom. They got a library to make money off of.
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Old 08-08-2021, 11:25 PM   #364
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idk if it's true but there were rumors that Keith Lee got "heat" with WWE because he was battling them over the trademark of his real name also
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Old 08-08-2021, 11:31 PM   #365
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I once read that over the last decade Vince changed his mind to see if talent can 'sink or swim' and that's why anytime other people tell him "hey you gotta check out ______ from NXT" if he decides to give them a main roster call-up he intentionally removes some parts of their gimmick that got over in NXT to see if they can 'sink or swim' without what made them a hit.

In theory, that sounds like a good test but if you apply it to wrestlers past it would have hindered so many from getting over. It's sort of the opposite of the Paul Heyman mentality of 'highlight the strengths, hide the weaknesses'.
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Old 08-08-2021, 11:39 PM   #366
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idk if it's true but there were rumors that Keith Lee got "heat" with WWE because he was battling them over the trademark of his real name also
It's incredibly difficult to trademark a legal name for a person that has any kind of past activities doing something similar. This is because federal (and individual state) trademark protections apply only to using the trademarked name with each particular set of goods or services, (i.e., athletic performances, theatrical performances, clothing/apparel, film/tv appearances, etc.) If a wrestler is using their name in multiple, or one or more, states, for one or more goods or services, it's incredibly unlikely that a federal USPTO trademark application will be approved for those same goods/services, especially if they're no longer employed or affiliated with the applying entity, in this case WWE.
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Old 08-08-2021, 11:59 PM   #367
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I don’t know if you’re just randomly referencing their NXT feud or if you’re implying EC3 is on Johnny Curtis’ level?

If it’s the latter, I’d like xrod banned. I think this warrants it.
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:07 AM   #368
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:20 AM   #369
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It's incredibly difficult to trademark a legal name for a person that has any kind of past activities doing something similar. This is because federal (and individual state) trademark protections apply only to using the trademarked name with each particular set of goods or services, (i.e., athletic performances, theatrical performances, clothing/apparel, film/tv appearances, etc.) If a wrestler is using their name in multiple, or one or more, states, for one or more goods or services, it's incredibly unlikely that a federal USPTO trademark application will be approved for those same goods/services, especially if they're no longer employed or affiliated with the applying entity, in this case WWE.
With Keith Lee, I heard they are trying to get him to give them written consent, but he won't do it and is trying to trademark his name on his own
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:23 AM   #370
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This is something I mentioned somewhere else, and I stand by this:

Cameron Grimes (aka Steampunk Jimmy Garvin) will have a better main roster career than Karrion Kross. Because there aren't any expectations for him to be some huge star and he's a goofy midcard act that can get over without being too big for its britches.

Also, L.A. Knight will probably get over on the Main Roster as well, for different reasons. Or, failing that, he'll start teaching promo classes.
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Old 08-09-2021, 12:54 AM   #371
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I don’t know if you’re just randomly referencing their NXT feud or if you’re implying EC3 is on Johnny Curtis’ level?

If it’s the latter, I’d like xrod banned. I think this warrants it.
Lol, the former



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Old 08-09-2021, 12:56 AM   #372
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I once read that over the last decade Vince changed his mind to see if talent can 'sink or swim' and that's why anytime other people tell him "hey you gotta check out ______ from NXT" if he decides to give them a main roster call-up he intentionally removes some parts of their gimmick that got over in NXT to see if they can 'sink or swim' without what made them a hit.

In theory, that sounds like a good test but if you apply it to wrestlers past it would have hindered so many from getting over. It's sort of the opposite of the Paul Heyman mentality of 'highlight the strengths, hide the weaknesses'.
Like randomly taking a great Heel like Bobby Roode and making him a generic babyface? I still dont understand why that happened
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Old 08-09-2021, 01:33 AM   #373
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Old 08-09-2021, 06:36 AM   #374
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So is HBK generally not liked as a backstage creative person?
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When he was announced as joining the PC/NXT staff I think many thought he'd reel in some of the PWG 2010 style into better storytelling, instead he's intensified it. I think some wrestlers love that and some are not fans.

I kind of view it as 'what if every match on a show was a Young Bucks match', which is not my thing.
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Old 08-09-2021, 09:00 AM   #376
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Meltzer reporting Vince/Nick Khan's new mantra is 'no more midgets' and 'no one over 30' for NXT.

Now that 'no more midgets' is the mantra I really want them to bring up Gargano and give him a comedy gimmick and put him in the 24/7 scene entirely for the online meltdowns

Just shut down all of NXT at this point, lol. Stupid. People whining about "big guys who look like they can really beat people up" in a fake fucking combat sport are whatever, lol. Except for guys who are super tiny like Adam Cole, I get that.



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Meltzer said there will be some exceptions to the rule of no shorties and no one over 30, as Vince does like Adam Cole, but they will be the rarity going forward.

Rovert noted on Twitter Vince wants to call up a ton of women to RAW.

Adam Cole is going to die on the main roster. He will look like WWE's Marko Stunt against the likes of nearly anyone. Rey Mysterio is WWE's Paul Titan compared to Cole. Speaking of, Paul Titan to AEW please. Right god damn now. That dude "goes hard in the gym".



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And for the record Triple H definitely showed that he could build a nationally touring brand from nothing. Sure with the help of the hottest indy stars of the time, but still he made it happen and it was something that Vince never would have done. Triple H hasn't failed with NXT, Vince got his hands on it and either by shitting on the NXT stars pushed to the main roster or Kevin Dunn... IDK what the exact cause is but Vince ruined NXT.

Good lord is NXT years past an amazing watch. Nearly any Takeover from a few years back is a great watch. Nakamura and Zayn immediately come to mind. Shit, really any NXT Nakamura is gold.




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With Keith Lee, I heard they are trying to get him to give them written consent, but he won't do it and is trying to trademark his name on his own
Yeah, without his written authorization, it's very unlikely they'd be able to successfully register the trademark of his own name with the USPTO for any of the classes of goods/services (clothing, merch, live entertainment performances, media appearances and performances, etc.) especially if he'd been using his own name prior in selling/marketing/performing for any of those same classes of goods/services.
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Yeah, without his written authorization, it's very unlikely they'd be able to successfully register the trademark of his own name with the USPTO for any of the classes of goods/services (clothing, merch, live entertainment performances, media appearances and performances, etc.) especially if he'd been using his own name prior in selling/marketing/performing for any of those same classes of goods/services.
ok why did the wwe not give him another name that was dumb of them in the begining.
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ok why did the wwe not give him another name that was dumb of them in the begining.
Probably assumed he'd agree to let them take over ownership of the trademark, at least while he's under contract with them. It's pretty common to assign that right over, during the term of an agreement at least, but it's not always the smart thing to do and if the talent has any leverage they should try to avoid doing so.
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ok why did the wwe not give him another name that was dumb of them in the begining.
They had a pretty long timeframe when they let the wrestlers keep their names when they came in. I believe starting with Samoa Joe through around Keith Lee. Not sure if Keith Lee was the last one before they started randomly picking names for new signees again, but he was close to the end of that.

But a lot of people came in with names they already had established.
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I buy that argument for big stars, but I doubt any of these NXT releases are on the Networks or Partners radar.
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Parrow's post made me at first like "How would he know?"

Then I remembered, and was like... "Ok... that makes sense."
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I mean, I disagree with nearly everything WWE does but trying to get more wrestlers who look like grown men that could kick someone’s ass in a fight and fewer cruiserweights is a very good idea.
The biggest problem there, though, is that WWE themselves created this problem to begin with by codifying this. Trying to populate the entire roster with bodybuilders and swimsuit magazine models with a tertiary emphasis on getting them to work well in the ring or on the mic (or both) is a stupid way to approach the endeavor, coupled with consistently telling people through words and deeds that anyone they consider "small" is worthless (and even that is relative - some of the guys who are considered GOAT historically aren't really people who strictly pass that eye test).

Then, they'll do shit like have a guy the size of Braun Strowman and try to make him work like he's Ricochet. Or not realize the reason why there was so much groaning and eye rolling at the rehire of Eva Marie was because nearly every match she had, she nearly Droz'd her opponent, herself, or both, but she was getting fast tracked to rule the Divas Division because she's "pretty" and was a bitch on an auxillary reality show that most wrestling fans weren't watching and that was supposed to be a 1:1 translation on her being the hottest female heel WWE had ever seen. It didn't.

Instead of looking at the issue of start-stop pushes and not properly building or presenting guys (colloquial - men and women) in ways that will eventually work them up the card, they do shit like bank all their money on a handful of talent (look how long it took for them to finally get Roman in the position they wanted him in from day one) and let everyone else languish. They script bullshit and write dumbass tripe angles and sometimes try super hard with the shittiest gimmicks possible neverminding what it might do detrimentally to th
folks on the roster saddled with this shit. They panic and call people back who were over 10 years plus ago; often at the detriment of people they could be focusing on now. And if anyone outside of their pet projects fail, it's their own fault for not being backed by the machine that quite honestly likely promised them the moon and then cuts them a month later.

But no... they failed because they're not 6'6 and 285lbs of weightlifter muscle. If only they willed themselves to grow taller, they might make it in the business.

There was more to this, but I don't have time to write it now, and I know I'm going to lose the tangent I was on if I try to come back to it later. Point is, there's too much stock put into this "midgets" mentality or the "needs to look like a star walking through the airport"... and by "star" they actually mean giant and jacked up. If the machine got behind some of these folks like they got behind others, there's no way the world wouldn't know who Shinsuke Nakamura was at this point if they treated him more like a guy who has the intangible charisma he has and less like generic foreign guy #582. There are plenty of others who could have been or currently be stars if the company would allow them to be stars instead of stunting them because THEY don't believe they are stars.
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If they want to push the big scary looking guys that’s fine, but I’ve not seen much evidence they know how to do that.

Lashley - had to leave the company and rebuild his image, came back and got put in two all time shitty feuds with Sami and Rusev
Drew - had to leave the company and rebuild his image
Sheamus - has had his ups and downs, the one time they pushed him as top guy they made him a bland smiling babyface who said Fella a lot
Priest - treading water feuding with Miz and Morrison
Viking Raiders - the Viking Experience
Keith Lee - ugh
Mace and T-Bar - LOL
Omos - extremely limited, just kinda stands there
Titus - theyve tried but nothing has worked, basically a big lovable dork who does charity work
Big E - seemed happy being part of an all time great faction, we’ll see how this one plays out
Corbin - made the most unwatchable character in wrestling and used as the scapegoat for bad ratings
Azeez - just kinda stands there
Roman - seems like they finally got it right but man did it take a long time to get there

And that’s just guys currently active on the main roster. Not a lot of home runs there. But I’m sure bringing in a bunch of brand new big guys with no experience will solve the problems.
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They had a big hit with Rusev with his US Championship run, then they yanked the rug out of from under him, split him and Lana up, and put Rusev in the League of Nations. Then Rusev got himself over again and WWE yanked the rug out again.

Braun Strowman was the hottest thing in wrestling during his “I’m not finished with you!” feud with Roman, then WWE yanked the rug out from under him and completely nerfed him for a quick Shield reunion.

I don’t know how fresh new talent is going to solve that.
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If they want to push the big scary looking guys that’s fine, but I’ve not seen much evidence they know how to do that.

Lashley - had to leave the company and rebuild his image, came back and got put in two all time shitty feuds with Sami and Rusev
Drew - had to leave the company and rebuild his image
Sheamus - has had his ups and downs, the one time they pushed him as top guy they made him a bland smiling babyface who said Fella a lot
Priest - treading water feuding with Miz and Morrison
Viking Raiders - the Viking Experience
Keith Lee - ugh
Mace and T-Bar - LOL
Omos - extremely limited, just kinda stands there
Titus - theyve tried but nothing has worked, basically a big lovable dork who does charity work
Big E - seemed happy being part of an all time great faction, we’ll see how this one plays out
Corbin - made the most unwatchable character in wrestling and used as the scapegoat for bad ratings
Azeez - just kinda stands there
Roman - seems like they finally got it right but man did it take a long time to get there

And that’s just guys currently active on the main roster. Not a lot of home runs there. But I’m sure bringing in a bunch of brand new big guys with no experience will solve the problems.
i can almost see big cass come back to wwe, impact rebuilt him like they did lashley and drew. wwe needs to have a deal with impact to build wwe stars.
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i can almost see big cass come back to wwe, impact rebuilt him like they did lashley and drew. wwe needs to have a deal with impact to build wwe stars.
Yeah they probably should bring him back. You shouldn't be that big and ripped and talented and not work for WWE. He'd also be awesome as a monster in NJPW.
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Has Cass gotten better on the indies or something? I remember him being really awkward and boring in the ring. Doesn’t seem like the New Japan type
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Has Cass gotten better on the indies or something? I remember him being really awkward and boring in the ring. Doesn’t seem like the New Japan type
you need to watch impact they know how to book him
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Has Cass gotten better on the indies or something? I remember him being really awkward and boring in the ring. Doesn’t seem like the New Japan type
Bad Luck Fale and Chase Owens are a New Japan type, by that truth ANYBODY can work in NJPW.
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Good for you. I'm not saying he isn't worthy of love, just that he's rather unspectacular in multiple ways. So if a guy like Chase or Fale can become "New Japan" guys, there is no argument that anyone that has worked for WWE, especially that went through the FCW or Performance Center development can't adapt to become "New Japan guys". I mean really what does it take? Wrestle harder? More germans, more lariats trade strikes and chops and yell like an anime character? It's not that much different.
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Bad Luck Fale and Chase Owens are a New Japan type, by that truth ANYBODY can work in NJPW.
I saw Bad Luck Fale in a couple of those ridiculous 10 man tags they like to do and thought he seemed to fit the role well.

Cass has the look but seems to move around like a fragile old man.
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