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Old 06-27-2019, 11:57 PM   #81
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I dunno what theyre doing to increase they gate but they should be very concerned. Granted for the first time ever the gate isnt paying the bills but thats a huge revenue stream to have hemorrhage like that.
Case in point on how they can ruin an upside - remember how they were pushing the network at the exclusion of the PPV market? They not only actively and repeatedly told the audience they were dummies for doing the thing they always did for access to the monthly big show, but got themselves locked into the $10 price point when they could've asked for a bit more just from the strength of those PPVs. As they were, I mean. Now, since the PPVs on average are kinda "meh", the value proposition isn't as high.

Speaking of value, I wonder how much tix are anymore? That might also be compounding the problem. You present fans with a conundrum: spend an estimated $50 or so to go to a house show full of people your weekly TV tells me aren't worth watching for free or browse anything that might strike my fancy on demand for $10 in that month?
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Old 06-28-2019, 12:02 AM   #82
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Seth is a good rassler and a boring face character

Maybe Paul can spice him and Drew up IDK
Hope it doesn't end up being a reverse Smackdown Six situation, where RAW gets better over time, but then any "new" talent that gets a decent push and proper exposure get shifted to Smackdown in a bid to appease FOX instead of just building their own damn show.
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Old 06-28-2019, 01:40 AM   #83
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Case in point on how they can ruin an upside - remember how they were pushing the network at the exclusion of the PPV market? They not only actively and repeatedly told the audience they were dummies for doing the thing they always did for access to the monthly big show, but got themselves locked into the $10 price point when they could've asked for a bit more just from the strength of those PPVs. As they were, I mean. Now, since the PPVs on average are kinda "meh", the value proposition isn't as high.

Speaking of value, I wonder how much tix are anymore? That might also be compounding the problem. You present fans with a conundrum: spend an estimated $50 or so to go to a house show full of people your weekly TV tells me aren't worth watching for free or browse anything that might strike my fancy on demand for $10 in that month?
Both great points. I think the network price out of the gate could have been higher, but they also had that weird 6 month commitment for the first 10 months or so.

The ticket prices are in my mind way too high, and they run too many shows.

It's a multi billion dollar company, and Vince is still running 5 to 6 house shows a week to grind out a few extra thousand dollars. He is one greedy sob.
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Old 06-28-2019, 09:26 AM   #84
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Didn’t WrestleMania 28 get like 1.5 million buys? The network does a good job of hiding a loss of interest in PPVs because there’s no way of comparing anymore. But when 1.5 million people are willing to spend $50+ to see WrestleMania and now they’ve basically lowered the price to $10 while also giving an extra FREE PPV, 30 days of free 24/7 content, on-demand access to every major PPV and TV episode ever from multiple companies and a ton of new original productions and they can’t hit 2 million... It’s pretty telling.
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Was wrestle mania no viewable on the app?
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I wonder who Eric Bischoff will fire first - The sacrificial lamb...
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Paul Heyman only 53... thought he was a lot older

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he just always looked old watch him as paul-e danger in wcw he looked 50 there
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Conversely, I didn’t realize bischoff was that old.
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How old Bischoff is/was doesn't surprise me. How young Heyman was does.
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Okay, thinking about this with a bit more engagement:

This has to lead to changes, yeah? Like, at first I was like "Vince is still in charge and this isn't going to work." I mean, Heyman has been in creative, and if what we've got to thank him for is the awful Ronda Rousey and Alexa Bliss stuff, then I do question whether he's still got it. I still think that the Vince problem is going to be there as an overarching issue that gets them in the end, but short-term, is there any reason Heyman, more specfically, would agree to this given his alleged willfulness to stay out of official creative positions? I know money talks, but Heyman was no doubt getting paid out the ass already. Bischoff would probably like some glamor back in his life, so it's not so much him I'm thinking about. But they're going to have to be allowed to at least make some unique production decisions, right? Right?
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How old Bischoff is/was doesn't surprise me. How young Heyman was does.


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Regarding the promotinal e-mail blast that went out earlier today pushing Paul Heyman for Raw and Eric Bischoff for Smackdown this week as the big stars in Dallas and San Antonio, that was both legit and a subject of a lot of controversy. It wasn't supposed to be released like that and Bischoff was not even scheduled for the show. The idea is to push the idea that it's all new to boost ratings after the last few weeks. But Bischoff was not even scheduled to be in San Antonio as of this morning (Heyman was to be in Dallas but he's at every Raw). It is possible that Vince McMahon has in the last few hours or will contact Bischoff about being in San Antonio based on the advertising going out.

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Eric Bischoff is making a mess all over Steph's hot hugs.
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I'll see your highly overrated Eric Bischoff titantron and post the following, equally underrated Paul Heyman titantron as my only comment.

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If these are legit positions (i think they are), HHH and Steph have got to be pissed.

The fan in me thinks Vince is like, "HUR HUR, TNT. I GOT BISCHOFF!"

Actually, that's probably his mindset.
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Why would they be amgry?
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Not so much Steph but Trip. Vince has to be the worst father in law ever
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Actually it was reported that Trips was offered one of the positions but turned it down because he didn't want to split time between NXT and another brand, especially with the possibilty of NXT getting on a network soon.
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NXT is his baby and I have to wonder if it's his way to try and change the companys direction without having to bump heads with Vince more than he has to
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Paul Levesque is playing chess while everybody else is playing checkers and Vince is playing drunken go fish.
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They wouldn't but Vince is senile.
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The Bisch is playing chest with Steph
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On 83 Weeks, Bischoff announced he is actually moving to Connecticut. Interested to see how this goes...
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It will be like the birth of Attitude all over again. But with more cut-to's of The Bisch ploughing Steph from behind like a tiny jockey on a super powered fuck horse.
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Bischoff cannot add anything creative. His one and only creative load was shot with the nWo.

Bischoff is amazing as an on air swarmy prick but anything else is a waste. He went to tNA and fucked up there too.
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It still tickles me that Vince's solution to try to make programming better is to hire his 90s competition.
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This generation is the first generation where there wasnt a territory system to teach guys how to work. thats the real issue. blind leading the blind has turned into blind teaching the blind.
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Bischoff cannot add anything creative. His one and only creative load was shot with the nWo.

Bischoff is amazing as an on air swarmy prick but anything else is a waste. He went to tNA and fucked up there too.


The Bisch has a few creative loads for the warm sweaty spot between Steph McMahon's great big melons.
Vince is probably cutting the eyes out of all of the paintings in the building so he can catch them at it. I don't think Linda does it for him anymore.
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Bischoff cannot add anything creative. His one and only creative load was shot with the nWo.
Bischoff is different then Heyman, and I don't think anybody would say he is a creative genius.

What I hope Easy E brings to the table is the understanding of story structure and and continuity.

My hope for him is that he will be the one who would have said "wait, why are we introducing Bobby Roode as a face when he has been a successful heel, with no explanation?" Or "why are we turning Rusev back heel to team up with the guy who broke his wife's ankle?"

For now, I will be happy for Smackdown being straightforward and logical. Raw can push the envelope and see what sticks.

If the point is for them to actually feel different, and not just the same show with different names, then I think it's good for the shows to have one take creative risks, and one to just build simple.stories that they stick to with a logical beginning, middle, and end.
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I excited to see how Smackdown feels different. I don't know.what to expect but if it's Schavonie then everything will be okay.
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I would love if he took Graves spot on Smackdown. No reason for him to be in both show.
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I haven't watched the show, but Raw sounds refreshing, at least compared to how it's been. It'll be interesting to see if/how SmackDown differentiates.
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