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Old 09-29-2021, 05:38 PM   #41
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say what you will about reigns but theres a clear difference in mania match (Reigns vs Lesnar) using a finish as a falsie and random ppv main event doing it. even there im not in love with the idea especially if youre doing it annually but booking a match with the intent to put the finish over instead of the midcarder cant be portrayed as an objective misstep. its obviously not that clear and it very likely isnt the wrong call at all.
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Old 09-29-2021, 05:42 PM   #42
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and the notion that joe could (or should) ever rise above a good hand isnt being honest. he's never going to be the guy. he was never in a position to be the guy. he never had what it takes to be the guy. what he does have is the ability to be plugged into spots where he can get over enough to have good programs at whatever level you need to use him at.


but those talents are best used getting other things over, not themselves. there's more utility in it.
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Old 09-29-2021, 05:43 PM   #43
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and to that end there's far more utility in the f5 than there is in joe
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Old 09-29-2021, 05:47 PM   #44
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so if you book joe v brock the best scenario is you get brock more over than when he came in and the notion that 1 F5 can win a match at any time cant be fairly portrayed as a bad choice. it may even be paramount because when you deliver a marquee match that will have people (unfortunately) inevitably kicking out of the F5 you need that to mean something as opposed nothing and if brock NEVER goes over with the 1st F5 then it isnt a falsie at all.
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Destor is right.

I love me some Joe, and I think he could have been more important earlier. Hell, I’d still like Brock vs. Joe in the right context now. But the call itself was good.

Kayfabe being dead and fans thinking they are smarter than they are got in the way of what they intended with Brock/Reigns. Which is the reality and the result of their own shit, really. But on paper, there is NOTHING wrong with Brock vs. Reigns. Which is why they are doing it again with a fresh context.
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we can argue if reigns v anyone is the right call or not but i dont think it is reasonable to contest that if your plan is brock v anyone not joe in the immediate future then, since youre putting lesnar over, your goal should be to leave him stronger than when he entered.
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Bryan > Punk. Always has been, always will be.
What ground Punk loses to Bryan in the ring he makes up for and then some in character work. Bryan still has a tendency to be awkward and terribly unnatural on the mic. I’ve always preferred Punk as an overall performer.
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Punk is more well rounded. I think Danielson found his style promo wise but he’s never going to be at the level of Punk. You don’t have to be an in ring general if you can merely talk them into your building.
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Punk seems more well-rounded on paper. But it’s the intangibles that split them up. Punk has this ceiling on him. It’s like he’s all talk. UFC shit aside, it’s like you don’t really miss him when he’s gone. Danielson has this glue to him. He’s way more magnetic to me. When he doesn’t do something, I miss it.

It’s why I “controversially” said I buy Bryan as a better promo than Miz. I BELIEVE Bryan. I believe in him. Punk is cool when he’s there, but then you realize he doesn’t really make a big difference.

Both great talents. They don’t need to be weighed against each other. Both no-brainer signings. But Danielson is WAY more likely to get me to pay to see what he will actually do versus Punk, who strings a good story.
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They’re Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels to me. They’re both ace at what they do. But Bret had way more meat on the bone, whereas Shawn was this confectionary treat.
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Just watched this now and it was sweet. I had no idea they ever wrestled. And it was in the WWE and it was Goood!
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Old 10-02-2021, 03:00 AM   #52
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On the surface, it was weird Bryan turned “heel” before this match. But it all tied into the in-ring story. If you don’t know, Bryan low-blowed Styles a week before to win the WWE Title to earn the match. He acted like a smug bitch that had a “secret” the whole time. He gets his ass kicked and kicks Brock the same way to make one of the best babyface comebacks of the era. Just ace. The way he shows his face. But he doesn’t betray the questionable heel tactics he showed. He’s “turning” heel through this match. Because Brock beat the “weakness” out of him. So good.
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If Bryan didn’t “turn” the week before, his antics wouldn’t have worked the same way. Would have been “out of character.” Bryan turning actually made this seem like it was on its own planet. In a good way.
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Watching it back, not a perfect match. Fucking great though. Brock Lesnar’s selling? Mwah!

I remember the way he took the routine kicks. On different parts of his body like he just wanted to get the shit out of town. But the way he gets his leg wrapped around the pole? Jesus Christ. Then he wins the match and immediately sells the knee. I THINK this might be the match that people backstage legitimately thought Brock was hurt because he collapsed backstage. Sold the knee the whole time. Marks.
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