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Old 11-18-2016, 11:43 AM   #9401
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And, if anybody is looking for a little fun. MLB Trade Rumors got their Free Agent Prediction contest up and running.

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Old 11-18-2016, 11:57 AM   #9402
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Here's the thing, though. Prospects are volatile. The Angels would be trading the best player in baseball for some maybes. Its not a worthwhile risk for them.

And really, if the talent in aggregate is as good as Trout on his own, why give it up when you can just add on to it? The team trying to trade to acquire Trout might be just as well off keeping their players and building and buying around them.
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Old 11-18-2016, 12:03 PM   #9403
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When does Trout become an FA?
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They'll have signed Harper and Machado by then
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Old 11-18-2016, 07:50 PM   #9406
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They won't sign Machado
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Old 11-18-2016, 08:23 PM   #9407
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The Orioles ain't signing him either. Can't wait till he hits arbitration. He's gonna bleed their wallets dry
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I've told you how they'll handle it
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I've told you how they'll handle it
Why do you possibly think you have any insight on this other than being a desperate homer
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Old 11-18-2016, 09:12 PM   #9411
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Braves currently have multiple Cy young winners on their staff again. Trying to recreate the old days I guess. Not gonna work.
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Now that Josh Thole is a free agent $20 says he goes to the Braves.

(That's what his contract value should be, tbh)
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Why do you possibly think you have any insight on this other than being a desperate homer
Manny Machado has been open to the Baltimore Sun saying he wants to stay in Baltimore with a long term deal. His agent had talks back this off-season with team officials about the matter BEFORE they made the Chris Davis deal. They made the Davis deal knowing roughly what Manny wants in order to stay an Oriole. They wouldn't have done the Davis deal if they knew it would prevent them from keeping Machado which is 80% of the reason people give as to why they can't resign Machado.

Also in hot stove action I saw thisc pisted

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Baltimore Orioles trade 3B Manny Machado, RHP Darren O’Day to Los Angeles Dodgers for LHP Julio Urias, OF Yasiel Puig, 1B Cody Bellinger, UTIL Charlie Culberson, RHP Yadier Alvarez and SS Gavin Lux
So, let’s say you’re the Orioles. You’re playoff team, with a good offense, good defense, a stellar bullpen, a mediocre rotation and no real farm system to speak of. Your best player is going to be a free agent in two years, and there is no chance you are going to be able to re-sign him. There’s a firm foundation around him, enough that you’re pretty sure you’ll be in the playoff hunt each of the next two years. But after 2018, everything goes up in the air. Do you stay the course for two years and hope one year is magic? Or do you cash in on your perennial MVP candidate and build a roster whose window extends years beyond what it did before?

Let’s build the blockbuster of the offseason.

The Orioles need pitching. That’s step one. If they’re going to trade their MVP candidate and give him to a team that will control him for two years and has the pockets to extend him beyond that, they’re gonna require a damn good major league ready, controllable, young starting pitching talent. The epitome of that in the big leagues at this moment is Urias, the prodigy who just turned 20 years old in August and had a rocky but overall promising first turn against big league hitters. He could be a future ace. That’s where you start.

Arms are a risky gamble, though, no matter where they come from. So, you need insurance. Do they have a young major league ready guy who can supplant some of Machado’s power from the right side of the plate as soon as he arrives? Get him. Do they have another near-ready position playing prospect at the top of their system? Get him too. This is Manny Machado we’re talking about.

Remember why you started this, though. You need arms. Go get another top-100 pitching prospect out of their system. And it wouldn’t hurt to have another infielder. Did the other team just draft one of those in the first round? Good. Grab him too. And throw in another utility infielder who can act as a 25th man type while you’re at it.

There’s a lot of talent flying both ways, but who says no to this? The Dodgers now have three guys who are going to be MVP candidates each of the next two seasons in Machado, Corey Seager and Clayton Kershaw. They also grab a time-tested, consistent back-of-the-bullpen arm in Darren O’Day. You can never have too many of those.

Losing Urias hurts, but they still have Jose De Leon ready to enter what is already a crowded (if oft-injured) stable of starting-caliber arms. Bellinger would be great to have, but they already have Adrian Gonzalez at first base for a while. We know they’ve been shopping Puig, and losing Lux doesn’t hurt much because, you know, Corey Damn Seager.

For the Orioles, you’ve rebuilt a large segment of the franchise. Urias is a huge boost to your rotation, for starters. Bellinger could come in and boot Davis into the DH role full-time, or could even play in the corners. Puig replaces Mark Trumbo in right, and is a great candidate to bounce back to form in a new environment far away from LA. Lux is a legitimate shortstop of the future candidate, if a bit of a long-term project, and another pitching prospect who could end up being a future No. 2 starter.

It does create a big hole on the left side of the infield for Baltimore, though. Which brings me to my final deal:

Baltimore Orioles trade OF Adam Jones to Cincinnati Reds for 3B Eugenio Suarez, LHP Brandon Finnegan and RHP Rookie Davis
The “Reds make a win-now move for a veteran leader-type” move that Wickster’s been buzzing about in these parts for a while now. For this one, I used the Scott Rolen deal for reference. Then, the Reds traded a major league third baseman along with two exciting but ultimately disappointing arms to the Blue Jays for a 34 year-old Rolen. So, I went into this with the same idea.

Suarez, 25, has made some great strides toward being a productive big league regular in the hot corner. With incoming top prospect Nick Senzel only about a year away from (hopefully) taking over the everyday third base spot, along with Jose Peraza and Dilson Herrera ready to take over the middle of the infield for the future, Suarez could still find himself on the outside looking in.

In addition to unloading Suarez, the Reds also give away a durable, young arm in Finnegan who has proven himself ready to take on big league hitters as a starter and could jump right into the middle of the Orioles’ rotation. They also add in Rookie Davis, a top ten prospect in the Reds’ system who projects as a mid-rotation starter and is close to being able to contribute at the big league level.

Jones, meanwhile, could slide into right field for the Reds to with Jesse Winker in left and Billy Hamilton in center. He’s always hovered around average defensively in center, so there’s little doubt he could handle right. He’s coming off a season in which he was worth just 1.1 bWAR, his first season of fewer than 3.0 bWAR since 2010. That was largely due to a dip in slugging, but it could be worth gambling on that just being a blip, as Jones remains just 31 and still knocked out 29 homers in 2016. He’ll be due $33.7M over the next two seasons, but with the Reds having little to spend money on outside of Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips and Homer Bailey, that won’t be a dealbreaker, especially if the Reds aren’t giving up any of their top seven or eight prospects to get him.
I can't see either if these trades happening but I had a good lol reading them
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:26 AM   #9414
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You've created a blind homer situation where you think Machado will be a nice guy and take a 3 year pay cut while Davis' contract finally erodes, which is a ridiculous idea lol. Wanting to stay in Baltimore and being a nice guy giving them an unrealistic hometown discount are two different things.


You're talking out of your ass. You have no insight or proof to point to your claim that they wouldn't have signed Davis if it hindered them from signing Machado. You're just being your usual blind homer self and saying dumb things with no basis.
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They will have the fucking money yo pay him. The payroll will be at least $160 million this year and that's if they don't sign a single free agent (it was $152 million last year) due to all the arbitration raises coming even with losing 32 million in salary in Trumbo/Alvarez/Wieters

Speaking of arbitration, Machado is going to make close to 12 million this year through arbitration anyway..

Off the books after 2017
JJ Hardy 12.5 million in 2017 with a 2 million buyout of a 2018 contract that vests if he gets 600 pa (he won't)
Ubaldo 13.5 million free agent 2018
Gallardo 11 million free agent 2018


Those three alone they could afford to give Manny a $30 million contract in 2018 and be no worse off than they are now..Jesus Christ. If he wants more than 30 million fuck him I guess (haven't seen any projections for him to make more than 25 per over 8 years)
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Projected arbitration raises via trade rumors

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Chris Tillman (5.113) – $10.6MM (+4.4 mil)
Ryan Flaherty (5.000) – $1.7MM (+.2 mil)
Zach Britton (4.158) – $11.4MM (+4.7 mil)
Vance Worley (4.112) – $3.3MM (+.7mil)
Brad Brach (4.063) – $2.9MM (+1.7 mil)
Manny Machado (4.056) – $11.2MM (+6.2 mil)
Jonathan Schoop (3.027) – $3.4MM (+2.9 mil)
T.J. McFarland (3.006) – $700K --
Kevin Gausman (2.151) – $3.9MM (+3.4 mil)
Caleb Joseph (2.145) – $1.0MM (+.5 mil)
The bigger question is can the afford to keep Schoop Britton Tillman Gausman. School is guaranteed I would think since he's best friends with Manny and is an everyday 2B but os fans pretty much expect Britton to get traded before his cost skyrockets. They have to keep Gausman and Tillman since the pitching sucks
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They ain't signing him bud.
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lmfao Droford you are such a wank. Don't get me wrong I'm not a doomsday guy like Damo, but to just blindly say they'll sign him without taking into account he'll want to play the FA market is borderline retarded.
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And c'mon Dale. He's gonna be a nice guy and take a 3 year pay cut. Didn't you see Droford's foolproof idea that's surely going to happen and work?
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I don't even like the Yankees and I hope Machado signs there. I also hope he has sex with Droford's next girlfriend.
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So hes never going to have sex again?

Sorry, dro. Had to. It was just sitting there.
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I don't even like the Yankees and I hope Machado signs there. I also hope he has sex with Droford's next girlfriend.
HELL NO!

He's going to the Red Sox.
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Brett Cecil to the Cardinals. 4 years, $30.5 million.

Holy shitballs...all of that for a fucking middle reliever. That's going to completely change the market.
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And c'mon Dale. He's gonna be a nice guy and take a 3 year pay cut. Didn't you see Droford's foolproof idea that's surely going to happen and work?
Usually the yearly salary is higher st the end of long term contracts. If they don't get a long term deal done he'll be making 20+ million through arbitration in 2018 anyway so I dont see how this is so impossible for the Orioles to do.
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Brett Cecil to the Cardinals. 4 years, $30.5 million.

Holy shitballs...all of that for a fucking middle reliever. That's going to completely change the market.
I remember last year when everyone criticized the Orioles for their deal with Oday and its basically the same deal Cecil got. Oday is better when healthy..
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Brett Cecil to the Cardinals. 4 years, $30.5 million.

Holy shitballs...all of that for a fucking middle reliever. That's going to completely change the market.
Bullpens rule these days.
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White Sox are moving into fire sale mode it seems. GM Rick Hahn put the word out that all players with 4 years or less of team control are up for grabs.

Chris Sale, David Robertson, Melky Cabrera, Todd Frazier, Jose Abreu, and James Shields are some of the players who are in this boat.
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Should keep Abreu. Everyone else can do assuming we get the right price for Sale. We should never have even picked up Shields last year.
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Shields is sunk cost at this point.

As far as them going into sell mode? I'll believe it when I see it. Still think they'll come back with the same team plus Jason Castro and Matt Holiday and say "we're a good team....." like usual.
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Holiday will save the White Sox!
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White Sox are moving into fire sale mode it seems. GM Rick Hahn put the word out that all players with 4 years or less of team control are up for grabs.

Chris Sale, David Robertson, Melky Cabrera, Todd Frazier, Jose Abreu, and James Shields are some of the players who are in this boat.
And you can take em off our hands...yeees!
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Phillies went ham in protecting prospects from the Rule 5 draft, added 11 draft-eligible prospects to their 40 man roster.

Mets added Amed Rosario as expected along with 4 other players. The only real headscratcher was deciding to keep Chris Flexen. Great name and all but he's 22, coming off an injury, and hasn't pitched a game over Single A. Really don't see a team keeping him in the big leagues all season even if rosters expand to 26. And they chose not to add Paul Sewald, who I think is good as gone.
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You know thats what Kenny Williams is telling Jerry right now while Rick Hahn cries into a organizational minor league scouting report.
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Hahaha. The White Sox need to tear it down. It's not working. Blow that shit up.
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Not working? It was 100% broke like 3 years ago. We are past not working and more into completely disabled territory.

So many throw back jerseys too. So many jerseys for Sale to cut to pieces.
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What's the final judgment on that?

The Bad guys are the team not letting the Ace decide the most comfortable stuff to wear when pitching? Or Sale for making them useless?

White Sox throwbacks always makes me think about the Black Sox and Shoeless Joe.
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Both parties imo were dumb. If Sale does not want to wear the uniform because it effects his pitching then don't schedule the jersey to be worn on the day he pitches.

Sale on the other hand should not have went on a rampage destroying the jerseys. Was immature by him. Still laugh when I imagine him in the locker room with scissors cutting everyone's jerseys up while the coaches/players just look at him acting nuts.
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2017 Hall of Fame ballot released"

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Jeff Bagwell (71.6%, 7th year)
Casey Blake
Barry Bonds (44.3%, 5th year)
Pat Burrell
Orlando Cabrera
Mike Cameron
Roger Clemens (45.2%, 5th year)
J.D. Drew
Carlos Guillen
Vladimir Guerrero
Trevor Hoffman (67.3%, 2nd year)
Derrek Lee
Edgar Martinez (43.4%, 8th year)
Fred McGriff (20.9%, 8th year)
Melvin Mora
Magglio Ordonez
Jorge Posada
Tim Raines (69.8%, 10th and final year)
Manny Ramirez
Edgar Renteria
Arthur Rhodes
Ivan Rodriguez
Freddy Sanchez
Curt Schilling (52.3%, 5th year)
Gary Sheffield (11.6%, 3rd year)
Lee Smith (34.1%, 15th and final year)
Sammy Sosa (7.0%, 5th year)
Matt Stairs
Jason Varitek
Billy Wagner (10.5%, 2nd year)
Tim Wakefield
Larry Walker (15.5%, 7th year)
Still think it's dumb that voters are limited to 10 votes, but if I had a ballot I'd go with:

Bagwell
Bonds
Clemens
Guerrero
Hoffman
Martinez
Raines
Ramirez
Rodriguez
Wagner

I took Schilling off of my ballot from a year ago. I can't in good conscience vote for such a piece of shit.

Beyond that I don't care about punishing steroid guys - I've little doubt that all of them would have been amazing even without PEDs. I'd have voted for guys like Sosa and Sheffield but their vote totals are so low there's little reason to expect they'll come anywhere close. At least a guys like Bonds and Clemens could stay middle of the pack and possibly make a late charge as they approach the end of their eligibility.

Bagwell, Raines, and maybe Hoffman seem like good bets this year based on where their vote totals were at a year ago.
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I don't think morals should apply. Schilling is a piece of shit but he's a 2 time World Series Champ, 6 Time All Star, 200 Game Winner, 3 Time Cy Young Runner Up, Co-Series MVP, Breaker of Curses and maker of an ok video game.
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