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Old 08-10-2018, 08:30 PM   #41
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Didn't CM Punk buy Joey Mercury's house for him so he wouldn't be out on the street? Punk's a complicated person, and he does seem like a narcissistic ass, but I don't think he's an evil son of a bitch. There is probably more going on here, as there is when a lot of friendships explode.

Reading Colt's side, and I might be off on the legal particulars, but I know I wouldn't expect anyone to pay my court fees. Like, I'd maybe go after Amann for them, if anyone, since he's the one who sued me. But it sounds like Colt is a bit...naive? It does also sound desperate to go after a friend to pay your court stuff by using the court system. I guess the indies aren't paying Colt too well right now.

But if it drives Punk into working for ROH, then I'm all for it. I'm still bitter at the guy for suggesting Luke Gallows has talent.
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:29 PM   #42
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Didn't CM Punk buy Joey Mercury's house for him so he wouldn't be out on the street? Punk's a complicated person, and he does seem like a narcissistic ass, but I don't think he's an evil son of a bitch. There is probably more going on here, as there is when a lot of friendships explode.

Reading Colt's side, and I might be off on the legal particulars, but I know I wouldn't expect anyone to pay my court fees. Like, I'd maybe go after Amann for them, if anyone, since he's the one who sued me. But it sounds like Colt is a bit...naive? It does also sound desperate to go after a friend to pay your court stuff by using the court system. I guess the indies aren't paying Colt too well right now.

But if it drives Punk into working for ROH, then I'm all for it. I'm still bitter at the guy for suggesting Luke Gallows has talent.

You know what's petty, Noid? Getting excited at the possibility of Punk working for ROH after being sued by the person he considered his best friend. I recently shared a small portion of my family member's interaction with him. Not the nicest guy to do business with. In my personal opinion, he's a bit of a narcissist. Has an unreasonable opinion on folks who don't want to have tattoos and left the Joey Mercury bit in the documentary although he had a sizable amount of creative control for the project.
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Didn't CM Punk buy Joey Mercury's house for him so he wouldn't be out on the street? Punk's a complicated person, and he does seem like a narcissistic ass, but I don't think he's an evil son of a bitch. There is probably more going on here, as there is when a lot of friendships explode.
Punk paid to keep it from being foreclosed on, he didn't buy him the house is though. Mercury had to pay it back. Pretty sure that's why he was even brought back to TV to be in the Straight Edge Society, so Punk could get paid back.

Let's be honest, if it wasn't for Colt Punks chances of losing that lawsuit would have been much worse. Cabana probably saved Phil from losing upwards of three million dollars. Phil should have been bending over backwards to cover the court costs.

Since he is a prick though, he went back on his word to screw his "best friend" over $200,000??? 3 million minus 200k, Punk comes out WAY ahead, but he is a pretty miserable asshole.

I hope his greedy vengeful actions do cost him an additional million on top of the 200k he tried to Welch on.
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You know what's petty, Noid? Getting excited at the possibility of Punk working for ROH after being sued by the person he considered his best friend. I recently shared a small portion of my family member's interaction with him. Not the nicest guy to do business with. In my personal opinion, he's a bit of a narcissist. Has an unreasonable opinion on folks who don't want to have tattoos and left the Joey Mercury bit in the documentary although he had a sizable amount of creative control for the project.
Lol, how is that petty? Like, how are those clauses related to each other? I literally described the guy as a narcissist in my post. That's not an official diagnosis, obviously, but I don't really care about whether you find the guy adorable or not.
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Punk paid to keep it from being foreclosed on, he didn't buy him the house is though. Mercury had to pay it back. Pretty sure that's why he was even brought back to TV to be in the Straight Edge Society, so Punk could get paid back.

Let's be honest, if it wasn't for Colt Punks chances of losing that lawsuit would have been much worse. Cabana probably saved Phil from losing upwards of three million dollars. Phil should have been bending over backwards to cover the court costs.

Since he is a prick though, he went back on his word to screw his "best friend" over $200,000??? 3 million minus 200k, Punk comes out WAY ahead, but he is a pretty miserable asshole.

I hope his greedy vengeful actions do cost him an additional million on top of the 200k he tried to Welch on.
That's still an awesome thing to do for someone. I don't think CM Punk was booking WWE in 2010, but I might be wrong about that. He may have suggested Joey Mercury for the group, but I think it's a bit of a projection to suggest that he helped out Mercury to have a legit slave. He could have helped out a much bigger star if he wanted that.

Let's be honest, if it wasn't for Punk, no one would give a fuck about who Colt Cabana is in the first place.
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That's still an awesome thing to do for someone. I don't think CM Punk was booking WWE in 2010, but I might be wrong about that. He may have suggested Joey Mercury for the group, but I think it's a bit of a projection to suggest that he helped out Mercury to have a legit slave. He could have helped out a much bigger star if he wanted that.

Let's be honest, if it wasn't for Punk, no one would give a fuck about who Colt Cabana is in the first place.
Punk definitely suggested Mercury for the Straight Edge Society. He was attempting to get several of his friends into the group. Cliff Compton has said he was also set to come back to the group in late 2009/early 2010. Domino would've been discovered "down on his luck" and Punk would've "saved" him and shaved his hair like the rest.

Punk also got Cabana a dark match against Wade Barrett in 2011 right as Punk was getting red hot. It didn't result in Cabana getting signed back up but Punk still did go to bat for him. I'm a big fan of Colt and don't know enough about this situation to know whether or not the lawsuit is fair, but it's not like Punk was always a cock to him. Sad situation.
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Yeah, I remember Punk going to bat for his friends. I think he even got Ace Steel into developmental for a while there. Or maybe they were just there at the same time? Anyway, I just don't buy the "Punk is always an asshole" narrative. The dude has been very vocal about who he supports in wrestling, and he's gone out of his way to get those people over.

There is probably more to the story, and I'm sure Punk has his part in it, but trying to spin his entire history to always be this 100% self-serving asshole is a bit much. He's a narcissist and an egomaniac that overrates his talent, skill and creativity though, don't get me wrong.
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He also wanted Kassius Ohno in the Shield, but WWE went with Roman Reigns.

My initial point was Punk got him hired, but knowing what an prick Punk is, I'm sure part of the reason was so Mercury could pay him back.
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Then why do that in the first place? It just doesn't really make sense, lol. If Mercury paid him back, I'm sure it was for his own dignity's sake.
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Helping him get clean and getting him back on TV also lets him feel like a guy with something to add again. It doesn't need to be mean-spirited.
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Yeah, I remember Punk going to bat for his friends. I think he even got Ace Steel into developmental for a while there. Or maybe they were just there at the same time? Anyway, I just don't buy the "Punk is always an asshole" narrative. The dude has been very vocal about who he supports in wrestling, and he's gone out of his way to get those people over.

There is probably more to the story, and I'm sure Punk has his part in it, but trying to spin his entire history to always be this 100% self-serving asshole is a bit much. He's a narcissist and an egomaniac that overrates his talent, skill and creativity though, don't get me wrong.
I don't think Punk was always this bad, but let's be honest, he made a hell of a mistake walking out on WWE.

I'm sure he regrets it, but he won't admit it. Especially now that he has failed in UFC, failed at a Reality TV show (which by the way was hosted by Miz, who unlike Punk HAS Main Evented Mania), which I'm sure irritated him too.

He is such a miserable person that he even keeps his wife from going back. If you believe anything AJ Lee said before she got with Punk, that wrestling was her dream, that it meant so much to her to be champion she got the date tattooed on her neck, then you can't tell me she wouldn't want to come back for all these big woman's events like Royal Rumble or Evolution.
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So, a person's statements are more credible before they were married then after they were married simply because of who they married?

If so, why are AJ's statements prior to her marriage to Punk "more credible" than the statements she made after her marriage to Punk simply because she married Punk? Simply because of Punk's statements?

I could understand that if she'd married a legit diagnosed "crazy" person or a convicted criminal, but we're talking about a person who was (at least) arguably "screwed" by a corporation and/or the persons running the corporation. The legitimacy of his arguments are obviously up for debate, but you can't automatically use his statements to necessarily impugn her prior statements simply because they were married.
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So, a person's statements are more credible before they were married then after they were married simply because of who they married?

If so, why are AJ's statements prior to her marriage to Punk "more credible" than the statements she made after her marriage to Punk simply because she married Punk? Simply because of Punk's statements?

I could understand that if she'd married a legit diagnosed "crazy" person or a convicted criminal, but we're talking about a person who was (at least) arguably "screwed" by a corporation and/or the persons running the corporation. The legitimacy of his arguments are obviously up for debate, but you can't automatically use his statements to necessarily impugn her prior statements simply because they were married.
That is not what I was saying. I was saying I think Punk regrets walking away, even though he won't ever admit that. Punk has dug in so hard against pro wrestling that not only will he stay away, but his supportive wife will too, even if she would like to go back, obviously she sides with her spouse. Not faulting AJ for siding with her husband one bit.
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I think you're doing a lot of supposition there, xrod. Punk was going to be figured into a match against Triple H at WrestleMania XXX. He walked out because he wanted to. The door is open for him to go back any time. The crowd would call him a "hypocrite" all they want, he'll just rub it all in their faces -- "don't trust a snake." SmackDown could really use a heel to go against AJ Styles and Daniel Bryan...

He failed to launch a successful career in UFC win-loss wise, but I'm sure he got paid out the ass for those fights. Just like I'm sure he's been paid out the ass for the shitty comics he wrote and that reality TV appearance. Not sure why you're holding The Miz headlining WrestleMania over Punk as some sort of trophy or whatever. That's kind of the bullshit Punk was rallying against. And Punk basically stole The Miz's push out from under him when he cut down dudes who have shitty catchphrases that time on Raw. The Miz hasn't sniffed a legit main event since that year, by the way.

You kind of did say that AJ Lee would want to go back if it weren't for Punk, which is not necessarily the case. She was outspoken about a lot of issues there too, and publicly called out Stephanie McMahon on some shit. She's free to leave Punk and free to return on her own to the company. She's not a prisoner. Punk and Lee will both probably end up back working with them again. Or they'll take massive Sinclair contracts at some point. They're just fed up with the circus and doing shit they want to do right now, because they have a certain level of financial independence.

Punk just doesn't want to give money to Colt Cabana for some reason. Maybe he feels he's a spineless twat and doesn't feel obliged? Maybe he feels that Cabana has sapped too much off him in the past? Maybe he just figures he needs to stop giving hand-outs to his friends? All of this can be true independently of whether or not he is a dick.
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Given that Cabana is being litigious here (now for some supposition of my own), I imagine that the friendship has eroded a while ago, because friends don't really sue friends. So there's obviously more to this story than Punk deciding to ruin a friendship out of the blue.
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Given that Cabana is being litigious here (now for some supposition of my own), I imagine that the friendship has eroded a while ago, because friends don't really sue friends. So there's obviously more to this story than Punk deciding to ruin a friendship out of the blue.
I think Punk is/was pissed about the meeting between Colt and WWE during the lead up to the trial. Punk comes across as someone that could easily react out of “spite” when he feels he’s been crossed. It’s a shame because they were so close.
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AJ Lee retired due to a neck injury not because of Punk.
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Probably also due to having her own bad feelings towards the WWE and pretty much achieved everything possible for her career there.

Made it clear on at least one occasion, she wasn't fond of Stephanie's online PR antics. Legit called out the company for paying their female workers terrible wages and giving them next to nothing to work with for tv time.

Career-wise, she pretty much left at the best time possible. Bellas were already starting to stranglehold the division and she didn't seem to be too fond of them while the incoming Women's Revolution was going to push her to the side even more. Also retired right around the time most women wrestlers do since their careers tend to be a lot shorter for various reasons.
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I think Punk is/was pissed about the meeting between Colt and WWE during the lead up to the trial. Punk comes across as someone that could easily react out of “spite” when he feels he’s been crossed. It’s a shame because they were so close.
Paranoid and vengeful.

Supposition on my part, but it seems like he figures "You're going to side with them and expect me to help you pay for shit, backstabber? Fuck that!" even if that meeting wasn't about all that.
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Y'all making up a whole lot of shit though, haha. Was it about that meeting? Or is that just one public thing in these people's lives that you are latching onto? I'm sure Punk was pissed at the idea of Cabana selling him out. Who wouldn't be? If Disney decided to sue me (just a random example), and my best friend who was benefiting from my legal team decided to have a meeting to smooth things over on their end, I'd be livid. I wouldn't consider that "spiteful" at all. I'm not even trying to say that Punk isn't spiteful. It doesn't matter if he is or isn't -- Colt seems like a wormy fuck desperate for a buck, to be honest. He's the one suing.
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