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Old 08-28-2018, 02:22 AM   #361
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Why do people still give this company money? Stop it. Stop it right now.
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Old 08-28-2018, 02:41 AM   #362
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Raw is just one show. Not a lot on earth compares to NXT alone. I still enjoy Smackdown and 205 greatly, too. The Network is a lot of fun for looking back, too. Or uncovering things I missed.
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Old 08-28-2018, 08:07 AM   #363
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Can't wait for Smackdown tonight when Daniel Bryan turns heel.
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Old 08-28-2018, 09:14 AM   #364
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lol Vic

Also echoing what ABT said. 205Live, SDLive and NXT are good (mostly), it's really just RAW that's the pits.
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Old 08-28-2018, 09:55 AM   #365
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RAW is horrendous to get through most weeks, but after Smackdown and NXT you usually leave the week upbeat and positive. Then the cycle continues.
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:05 AM   #366
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The Braun thing wasn't that bad, hopefully they won't paint him as heel (they will).
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:10 AM   #367
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:29 AM   #368
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:30 AM   #369
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it's so true. there's really no thought put into anything.

they obviously said ok we have the shield back together. we need a foil. hmmm, who can we use? i guess dolph and drew are midly over and were feuding with seth. put them in. we need a 3rd. well Braun and Roman are feuding. so just put him with Dolph and Drew. we can to 3 man tags for the next 2 months. next...

this probably took 5 minutes and that's really all they were probably going to give it. the days of episodic tv are long gone.
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:32 AM   #370
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Old 08-28-2018, 10:48 AM   #371
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The sky isn't falling, McZiggy and Braun have common enemies so this is natural.

while I could have done without the hand raise at the end start complaining when they actually turn Braun heel.
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Old 08-28-2018, 11:34 AM   #372
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It's kind of odd because in some ways there aren't heels/faces anymore and in some ways they are definitive heels/faces. It's sort of a transitional creative time in that sense where they are still figuring things out and it makes for some muddy stuff creatively.
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Old 08-28-2018, 01:32 PM   #373
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Braun never really did anything to make him a face anyway. He just started getting cheered. Even the MMC stuff was still with a heel Alexa Bliss, as endearing as it was.
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Old 08-28-2018, 01:38 PM   #374
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What about his "feud" with Elias. He was clearly booked as the face in that. Playing a Cello like a guitar? Thats some goofy mick foley type shit
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Old 08-28-2018, 01:55 PM   #375
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Braun never really did anything to make him a face anyway. He just started getting cheered. Even the MMC stuff was still with a heel Alexa Bliss, as endearing as it was.
Those are the best turns
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Old 08-28-2018, 02:10 PM   #376
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All I'm saying is that what he did last night wasn't that out of character. The hand raising was too much, but it was fine until then.

Also, is Elias even a heel?
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Old 08-28-2018, 03:42 PM   #377
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I figure Braun will 100% turn on Dolph/Drew the second the match ends at Super Show-Down
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Old 08-28-2018, 04:04 PM   #378
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I think Braun will turn on them at one of the other 3 PPVs WWE is promoting.
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Old 08-28-2018, 04:06 PM   #379
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Evolution?
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Old 08-28-2018, 04:06 PM   #380
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Turns out he was Braun Strowoman the whole time.
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Old 08-28-2018, 04:07 PM   #381
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Maybe he'll turn back and forth at EACH PPV. That would be compelling.
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"GET THESE FRESHLY MANICURED HANDS!!!"

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Old 08-28-2018, 05:23 PM   #384
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Old 08-28-2018, 06:17 PM   #385
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I’m looking forward to whatever happens with KO.
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Making a mockery of the entire tag division is not very baby face.
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Making a mockery of the entire tag division is not very baby face.
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Old 08-28-2018, 08:28 PM   #388
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I get people who watch NXT if it's entertaining, but at the end of the day, it is a feeder. All those guys will just go on to bounce around into nothingness with no direction and no cohesion.

It sucks, but while people pay for the network to watch the feeder fed and old shows, they have no reason to change their ways and revamp things.

That's the catch 22 of how great the network deal is. I cancelled it long ago, but I understand those who keep it and enjoy other shows. Will never help this shit get any better though until they feel it in their pockets
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Old 08-29-2018, 03:36 AM   #389
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I don't pay any extra for Monday Night Raw than what I already do between the Network and cable. Raw is just one show. As far as NXT? Feeder whatever. People actually enjoy their kids, even on the off chance that they grow into shitty adults. You'd pay ten bucks for the photo album of yesteryear though, yeah?
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Old 08-29-2018, 03:39 AM   #390
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And it's not IF NXT is entertaining. NXT IS VERY entertaining. Almost worth the price of the Network in and of itself. If anything, if I'm obligated to 'help' anything, I could stop watching Raw. But I don't want to. Out of both habit and a morbid curiosity. On WWE as a whole...things would have to suck all the way across the board to the point where I don't even want the memories of when it was good anymore nor the prospect of a 'youthful exuberance'. I'm not going anywhere.

And I guess that's why they're rich. But I'm still having a good time over here.
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Fair point, but the transparent decline on the Raw tag side started with Nicholas. The Bar were at least credible at the time.
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I don't pay any extra for Monday Night Raw than what I already do between the Network and cable. Raw is just one show. As far as NXT? Feeder whatever. People actually enjoy their kids, even on the off chance that they grow into shitty adults. You'd pay ten bucks for the photo album of yesteryear though, yeah?
Fair analogy, but I would argue that the stuff that goes on down there (ex. titles) are meaningless, as it's just a training camp. There is no real prestige or stakes because it's all just a build for experience on the main roster. Enjoying the match quality and stories is cool and all, but it counts for nothing long term. Couple that with the fact that they can't seem to build their own "homemade" stars (ie the whole point of NXT) and it makes it hollow imo

Someone will come and say "but titles on the main roster mean nothing nowadays too" and I know that, but it shouldn't be the case as is one of the many things that are wrong with RAW

I totally get why people enjoy it though and the network is an awesome deal. It just pains me because I have watched WWF since I was 6-7 years old, consistently, but just can't stomach it nowadays. Even the lows of the new generation were much better that this and with no PPV to sell and no competition, it's only going to get worse.
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I understand what you're saying, but you've got to consider Samoa Joe, Finn Balor, Elias, the entire womens division...more recently Drew McIntyre, Andrade Almas...people of that ilk, being handled just fine on the main roster. There's always a sliver of hope.
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All I'm saying is that what he did last night wasn't that out of character. The hand raising was too much, but it was fine until then.

Also, is Elias even a heel?
It's out of the character people want. It doesn't matter if Braun was once a sheep, if he put a black mask on and started following Bray around as a peon again, people would be pissed.

Also, Braun has wanted to "fight everybody" for a long time. That was his face turn. "Fuck the heels, I don't need no help." Now he wants back-up because he needs it.

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Probably. I honestly don't know anyone in Australia who watches anymore. My dad had a friend from work who went to a show maybe a year or two back and said "It was boring." Super casual fan. That is the last contact I had. I bring this up because I have no clue how the Australian crowd is going to react. I imagine it'll be all smarks, but not as "clued on." But I can imagine them shitting on this six-man for some reason. Fucking with Braun feels very "un-Australian" and that's a good way to get some resentment. Like, how are families and casuals supposed to react to this too?

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I get people who watch NXT if it's entertaining, but at the end of the day, it is a feeder. All those guys will just go on to bounce around into nothingness with no direction and no cohesion.

It sucks, but while people pay for the network to watch the feeder fed and old shows, they have no reason to change their ways and revamp things.

That's the catch 22 of how great the network deal is. I cancelled it long ago, but I understand those who keep it and enjoy other shows. Will never help this shit get any better though until they feel it in their pockets
I only cancelled mine last year, so I can't really get too indignant. I just think that anyone that expects anyone in NXT to be handled in a way that doesn't make them, at best, a guilty pleasure on the main roster is kidding themselves. You know the end game. NXT, itself, doesn't matter.

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And it's not IF NXT is entertaining. NXT IS VERY entertaining. Almost worth the price of the Network in and of itself. If anything, if I'm obligated to 'help' anything, I could stop watching Raw. But I don't want to. Out of both habit and a morbid curiosity. On WWE as a whole...things would have to suck all the way across the board to the point where I don't even want the memories of when it was good anymore nor the prospect of a 'youthful exuberance'. I'm not going anywhere.

And I guess that's why they're rich. But I'm still having a good time over here.
I lost interest in the weekly television show before I even kept watching PPVs, I think. The Takeovers are usually excellent. Maybe the TV has picked back up? I thought it was pretty standard episodic wrestling, which I can understand being refreshing, but I don't know how super-entertaining it is, especially with the glaring problem of NXT looming overheard (everyone you care about is going to end up on the main roster).

But if you're enjoying it, fine. Good for you. I just can't in good conscience give this company my money and validate their directionless product. NXT filters into Raw and SmackDown, which is just stirred diarrhea constantly.
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I think one of the blessings of NXT is that talent cycles through. You can tune in 6 months down the line and there’s been a big shuffle of the card. Go 6 months without watching Raw and things are mostly the same.
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There's truth to that, but I think my issue with NXT is that it feels like the same person even though it's not. It's like the latest indy darling shows up and wins the NXT Title, they cry, they lose the belt, everyone hugs, next.
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Ciampa and Gargano aren't exactly hugging.
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