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Old 08-19-2021, 10:10 AM   #241
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Has to be Young Bucks vs. Lucha Bros in the cage at All Out... Best possible match for a cage, Varsity Blonds and Jurassic Express already recently got title shots, and why would it be Private Party instead of the Lucha Bros
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Old 08-19-2021, 10:12 AM   #242
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I was actually thinking that the Lucha Bros might not win the eliminator tourney and then end up actually turning on PAC at All Out after all and siding with Andrade.

Would set PAC up for tons of great matches against that entire stable.

Hope not though because I love me some Death Triangle.
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Old 08-19-2021, 10:30 AM   #243
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Jericho/MJF was what it needed to be. Just a good, solid match - one of Jericho's better ones in a long while.

That SHOULD be the end of the feud but with All Out only 2 weeks away I don't know how you shift them into new programs so quick. My guess is Jericho challenges him one more time but puts his in-ring career on the line as incentive for MJF to take the match.
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Old 08-19-2021, 10:48 AM   #244
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You just.... have them work with someone else. Should be easy enough.


MJF can talk shit to anyone and start a feud anytime, honestly. Y2J being the "grizzled vet" will have a target on his back from someone wanting to make a name for themselves.
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Old 08-19-2021, 10:55 AM   #245
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It's easy to have them start new feuds. But doing it so close to the PPV would feel clunky.

Also I'm almost positive the whole 5 labors thing was initially explained as Jericho having to win 5 matches and THEN get MJF, presumably at All Out. Then somewhere in the middle the 5th labor became MJF himself.

That's why I think they've got one more match to go with Jericho putting up higher stakes. Otherwise they probably would've just saved last night for the PPV.
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I totally think MJF's next actual feud is Punk though. Punk/Darby at All Out in a "special attraction" match. Maybe one last MJF/Jericho match. MJF attacking Punk after his match for nuclear heat, or otherwise just calling Punk out on Dynamite.

Punk and MJF can have a killer feud even with neither guy working a match for months, which helps keep Punk "special" for a while via wrestling sparingly. The promos would be some good shit.
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I'm actually starting to wonder if maybe Punks first program will be with Moxley.
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So much talk and conjecture on what is going to happen with Punk tomorrow. I guess we have to lean with Darby/Punk because even AEW has dropped hints. The Darby promo referencing "Best in the World", last night there was a video promo for Rampage where Excalibur said something like "Can Darby Allin finally prove he is the best in the world"...

I still don't see it as the right match because Darby is so beloved right now. It just seems like a conflict of reaction from the fans. But if they go this route I'm sure I will enjoy it and they will make it work. They got my trust in that.

I could also easily see MJF coming out tomorrow and gloating only for Punk to come out and trade promo's until maybe Jericho comes out and say's the match has been made for All Out, Punk vs MJF and Jericho will be the referee. That makes more sense to me than Darby, with the stories leading up to this point.
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I wouldn't complain. That shit would be a banger of a program for sure.
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I'd be kinda surprised because Punk's said a few times in interviews over the last year that if he were to ever return to wrestling he wants to face people he's never wrestled before. Pretty sure he told Renee "even your husband, I've already been there and done that, I want new challenges"

But Punk's debut would coincide with Mox's promo about how everyone wants to show up at AEW.

At the same time Darby probably shows up for the main event to help fend off 2.0 or whatever so who knows. Lots of where it can go.
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One thing I can say for certain. Oh how my opinion has changed on Omega/Christian main eventing the PPV. All Out? I'm ALL IN on that right now. I'm still fired up from the match on Rampage and yeah I think it's gonna be sweet. But still, Omega had on a Chick Magnet shirt last night. They did beat down Christian pretty bad. Could they say he's injured and unable to make the PPV? So many questions.
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Omega wore a Cookie Monster shirt a couple of weeks ago.

Punk coming in has been the most wink wink nod nod thing, and I love it. They didn't lazily announce he's showing up but they have done basically everything else to tell you he's appearing. I love it.
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I don’t want Punk in a title program for a long while. There’s a ton of guys he can work with and have engaging feuds with. There’s no need to rush him right into the title picture two weeks before the PPV.

Sean Ross Sapp hinted that the idea with Punk may be simmering similar to the Bulls lineup intro music. Then his music hits and he says something like “I’m back”. Fuck me I cannot wait. It’s clobbering time, boys.
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Man that’s a bummer bummer considering that their first hour was stellar
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I hate how ratings work. I get the demos and all that but I don't think I'll ever accept that a TV show wins the ratings war over something that has 3 times as many viewers. Just seems so dumb.
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Wow, ratings drop AGAIN.

Maybe Tony Khan will have to kill another wrestler

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No sir you are not.

My opinion might be tainted by the memory of those god awful pants though.
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It is dumb. But they don’t win the ratings. AEW got kicked off TNT for hockey, which has a smaller demo. They’re just more valuable because a different number of people watch hockey throughout a season versus wrestling fans being obsessives who tune in every week, and because, frankly, wrestling fans aren’t the sort of people advertisers are into.

Think about your average AEW fan. Do you want them to be the ones buying your t-shirt and trying to set a trend? There’s a large difference between a 49 year old white fat virgin in rural Indiana who only ever spends his money on pizza and wrestling PPVs and an 18 year old fit black guy in New York City. Advertisers know this. They are interested in WAY more than these easily obtained numbers tell.

The ratings are a big deal for wrestling shows because they were a measuring stick during the Monday Night Wars and because wrestling’s faux competitive element makes people want to measure dicks.

Have you ever wondered why the WWE pushes so many different people from diverse backgrounds? It’s not just for fun. It’s because we live in a world where that diversity is way more important to advertisers than the outmoded 18-49 demo.

The ratings are also perpetuated by Meltzer who needed something to write about in quiet weeks, and the ratings provide whatever narrative you want. No fun to talk about the WWE being #1 on cable for years and years. More fun to talk about their slow demise and how viewership is decreasing. It’s got no more nuance than that.
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Anyway, I came in here to fucking LOL at the idea of Jericho having a baseball bat and using it to...hit MJF in the gut. So fucking terrible.
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but then your point about my fit black friend? Usually they hang out in a group with 4-5 others, and 1 petite lil white girl.


That's a small watch party, for sure, but a watch party none the less. Considering they are in the target demo, they tell some of their other groups of friends and things exponentially grow.


Sometimes they will get down to their skivies and have intergender matches, but texas tornado tag format right. Never fair though...... like 5v1 or some other bullshit. Hell, you might want to call them "purists" as they will get completely nude to re-enact the Greeks wrasslin.
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but then your point about my fit black friend? Usually they hang out in a group with 4-5 others, and 1 petite lil white girl.


That's a small watch party, for sure, but a watch party none the less. Considering they are in the target demo, they tell some of their other groups of friends and things exponentially grow.


Sometimes they will get down to their skivies and have intergender matches, but texas tornado tag format right. Never fair though...... like 5v1 or some other bullshit. Hell, you might want to call them "purists" as they will get completely nude to re-enact the Greeks wrasslin.
Alright, so you’re obviously pulling my chain, but even if they existed they are still an anomaly. Purveyors of taste no longer follow wrestling. Most of the people watching in this “key demo” couldn’t hang out at a nightclub without getting weird looks.

The Meltzer line about these demos being what advertisers care about in 2021 is all spin. Because he has limited information and needs to print something for his newsletter. They are the easy-to-grab numbers and fit into a “AEW good/WWE bad” paradigm (even if WWE’s demos are actually better).

Advertisers care more about different optics now. They care about how many Asian Americans watch a show. How many black people. Their income. How much they spend on certain products. Their educational level. How many people live in their households. How many times they interact with people socially. They care about women and what women think about the men. They care about whether or not it’s got appeal to the LGBTQ community.

Maybe on a low-level in Buttfuck, Tennessee people don’t have the time and resources to go into more detail than a superficial demo. But on a real level, these numbers have been trivial for a long, long time. Maybe forever. What matters is whether or not advertisers think they can make money off you. Wrestling has always been trash with that. It’s why they’re getting bumped for hockey. If we were going just by week-to-week demo, that wouldn’t happen.

Many networks have even thought about getting rid of Nielsen all together. It just isn’t the useful tool wrestling fans who want it to be a video game score think it is. Fuck, the numbers aren’t even reliable, and Nielsen themselves say to give them 10% either way.
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