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View Poll Results: Who is the better wrestler?
"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels 21 65.63%
Hulk Hogan 11 34.38%
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:50 PM   #1
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:51 PM   #2
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That pic I used for HBM looks photoshopped somehow...


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Old 10-11-2017, 01:52 PM   #3
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Hogan drew waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more money. Easy vote.
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:54 PM   #4
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Tough one. Used to love Hogan as a kid, he pretty much got me into wrestling. I watched every single one of his shitty movies as well as his dumbass TV show Thunder in Paradise. But his stupid comebacks ruined his legacy for me. I really don't enjoy watching a tanning bed-atticted pensioner wrestle.

I mentioned before, I'm not really a fan of HBK's late stuff, but it still was beter than Hogan's. Love mid-90s HBK, good cocky heel. And I love the theme. HBK it is.
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Going with personal taste and connection. Wpuld watch HBK perform before Hogan any day of the week.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:08 PM   #6
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Feel like HBK gonna win this easy. About the only argument you can make for Hogan is that he drew more and that he was a crossover icon. HBK owns pretty much everything else. Feel like people will vote for "everything else"
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Feel like HBK gonna win this easy. About the only argument you can make for Hogan is that he drew more and that he was a crossover icon. HBK owns pretty much everything else. Feel like people will vote for "everything else"
Way bigger star in every meaningful way. If they're being subjective the choice is easy. If this is "who I like best" then it will also be easy.
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Way bigger star in every meaningful way. If they're being subjective the choice is easy. If this is "who I like best" then it will also be easy.
Yeah. Hogan was bigger. HBK was better.

Hogan drew more, HBK delivered more.

Both were huge cocks though.

I go with HBK.
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Way bigger star in every meaningful way. If they're being subjective the choice is easy. If this is "who I like best" then it will also be easy.
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My arguemnt is simply if you're being objective its a no brainer. I prefer Michaels work. But better at the job? Hogan. In their prime I would rather hire Hogan. No question.
Destor has convinced me to vote for Hogan. Even though I never really liked Hogan. Even as a kid I was more into Macho Man and Ultimate Warrior.

I'm pretty sure I have voted on who I like more in the past, but since Hogan is so far behind I will let myself be convinced and vote for him.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:09 PM   #10
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Way bigger star in every meaningful way. If they're being subjective the choice is easy. If this is "who I like best" then it will also be easy.
It has to be subjective. "Who drew more" is objective. If that's how you're supposed to judge these things then the whole idea of Better Wrestler is retarded since there's a definitive right and wrong. There's WAY too many factors that go into someone drawing to use it as the gauge of how good the wrestler himself is. You've gotta say to yourself "If all conditions around both men are the exact same and put them on equal footing, who do I think would excel more."

In this case it's probably still Hogan. But fuck it. Glad HBK is somehow leading this thing because he is the Goddamn man.
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Take your shitty reasons rep and shove it lmfao

Also... Hogan is largely responsible for tanking wcw.
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Take your shitty reasons rep and shove it lmfao

Also... Hogan is largely responsible for tanking wcw.
HBM nearly tanked the WWF in the mid 90s. Two way street.
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Except wwe didnt tank.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:28 PM   #14
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Except wwe didnt tank.
yeah, as soon as he went on the shelf it bounced back
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:32 PM   #15
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Ome could argue his heel turn before he hit the shelf (along with Bret's) laid the foundation to wwf taking over. Its not like the ratings magically started to get better. It was consistently solid main event storylines.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:34 PM   #16
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One could argue anythign they want
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Lol well one could reasonably argue that point. Bret helped Austin big time and Michaels helped establish the edgier product that would help them win the war.

Michaels killed some momentum in his day but when it came time to do business with Steve, he jobbed (rumours of threatened asskickings aside). When it came time for Hogan to job to Sting he fucked the whole thing up. I know your whole deal about sting not being in shape. But realistically the match should.have beem 10 minutes of gaga with Sting not taking off his coat, pwning nwo members with his bat and a brief scuffle with Hogan, Scorpion death drop and cash your millions at the door. Believe me, nobody was happier than Hogan when he saw a soft Sting and had his built in excuse to fuck the finish of their most important ppv to date.
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Of course Michaels has a place in wrestling history, but he gets a chapter. Hogan gets his own book.
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Even as a child, I was more into Macho Man than I was Hogan, but that doesn't discount for the millions that were into Hogan and how big a star he was. His look is iconic and his charisma off the charts

His matches, however, were extremely formulaic and he continued having them long after they were successful. His peak was incredible from a popularity standpoint however.

HBK on the other hand, is light years removed from Hogan in the ring. His matches were exciting, dramatic and fueled with emotion. Watching him was my very favourite time to be a wrestling fan.

With that said, I can't go against him cause HBK symbolises everything I love about wrestling and why I can't really get into it in 2017.

He is the best of all time for me
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If it were called better draw, then it would definitely be Hogan, but since it's better wrestler, and I'm a fan of wrestling, I voted HBK. I can't remember a Shawn Michaels match that I didn't enjoy, and I can't remember a Hulk Hogan one that I did that didn't have Shawn Michaels in it. Even that was for all the wrong reasons.
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If it were called better draw, then it would definitely be Hogan, but since it's better wrestler, and I'm a fan of wrestling, I voted HBK. I can't remember a Shawn Michaels match that I didn't enjoy, and I can't remember a Hulk Hogan one that I did that didn't have Shawn Michaels in it. Even that was for all the wrong reasons.
Just gonna have to echo ABT here.
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Wrestling is a business. It takes places while shooting commercials as it does while putting in your 20 min. You know you're a good wrestler when poeple pay to see you.
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Wrestling is a business. It takes places while shooting commercials as it does while putting in your 20 min. You know you're a good wrestler when poeple pay to see you.
This is a great post. I see people talking about how great HBK was in the ring and on the mic, but what was the purpose behind those? What do people think a promo is there to do? Hogan's promos changed the world. Shawn Michaels can be more eloquent all he wants, but when people say that "HBK is the better promo," do they realize that the goal of a promo is talk people into a building and to spend money to see them?

I mean, effectiveness of the work needs to be evaluated, and there have been fewer wrestlers as effective as Hulk Hogan. That was his job. To go out there and captivate people -- which he did on an undeniably huge scale.

The goal of professional wrestling is to make as much money as possible. Hogan was a fucking master at that. Hogan did far more with far less than what HBK managed.

I always find the best way to answer these polls is to think "If I'm trying to promote wrestling, who would I rather have on my roster, and who would I rather my rival get?" And I'm sorry, but if I draw Hulk Hogan and you draw Shawn Michaels, then I am going to win all the money. And that is painful to say, because you'd probably take Shawn Michaels over most other people on the planet, because most other guys didn't draw either. You can have great bell-to-bell guys flying around underneath. It's a shame if it's not Shawn Michaels, but them's the breaks in these hypothetical situations.

That being said, you can have performative stars -- people who do get "famous" because of the quality of their work. HBK is one of those, for sure. He is the "wrestling fan's wrestler." I actually think Cena and HBK are possibly one of the best one-two punches of different types of star WWE has ever mustered. Because Cena is the one that you want to get over through media presence, etc., and HBK is the critics' choice. Everybody makes out that WrestleMania 23 drew based on Donald Trump and Vince McMahon, solely, but I think something was there in Michaels vs. Cena. Rock and Michaels would be even better. Austin and HBK would be better than Cena and HBK too. But Michaels is great for a certain part. One of the best for it, actually.

That's the best argument I can mount against the drawing argument. Hogan was a certain type of star -- one that shines in our culture the brightest. But there are other types of star that can be used to make money in other ways. I don't know -- I'm trying, haha.
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Absolutely, but when it's either or...the answer is clear
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That is fair but we all like HBK better and would rather watch him. If this was for mainstream fans who watched before 1989 hogan would win in a landslide.

But this is for niche fans who grew up on HBK and while respecting Hogan for his abilities and drawing power arent die hard fans of his.
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But i totally see your argument.
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I didn't even like Hogan that much as a kid. I mean, I wasn't rooting for Earthquake or anything, but I was definitely rooting for the Ultimate Warrior, if that makes sense.
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HBK was great to me from the Rockers to retirement.
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My arguemnt is simply if you're being objective its a no brainer. I prefer Michaels work. But better at the job? Hogan. In their prime I would rather hire Hogan. No question.
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But since we have set no parameters for what defines "wrestler" to this game, it's all open to interpretation. If we want to run stats/skills whatever and come up with some algorithm, then I guess we could split hairs, but then we wouldn't need anyone to vote.
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But since we have set no parameters for what defines "wrestler" to this game, it's all open to interpretation. If we want to run stats/skills whatever and come up with some algorithm, then I guess we could split hairs, but then we wouldn't need anyone to vote.
Yeah you can use any illogical paramaters you want, of course.
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Yeah you can use any illogical paramaters you want, of course.
I fully support your right to do this. I rep shisen when he votes for the most white wrestler all the time.
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Shisen must love Sheamus.

Then again, he's ginger. Hmmm.
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Shisen must love Sheamus.

Then again, he's ginger. Hmmm.
Not american enough. All non american white people are like albino black people to him
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Maybe. Depends on the environment where his act would grow stale much faster as it did in wcw. Sure he had a helacious 1996 and 97 but could not sustain the success because his act grew stale.
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Also, Hogan is a racist. Which actually might make you a better wrestler, somehow.
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Michaels is from TX. PROB RACIST TOO. NEVER SAW HIM JOB TO A BLACK GUY
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Michaels is from TX. PROB RACIST TOO. NEVER SAW HIM JOB TO A BLACK GUY
You know, he probably WAS responsible for what they said the Hart Foundation did to the NOD's locker room.

But I also said that being racist probably makes you a better wrestler, somehow.

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As if on cue.
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Michaels all the way. Was never really a fan of Hogan when I was a ten year-old mark, and growing up and reading all the stories and knowing what Hogan was like certainly hasn't endeared him to me.
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