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Old 01-28-2022, 02:52 AM   #3281
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Cody Rhodes with his blonde hair and colorful tights and his 2 other shows is their most recognizable star.
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Old 01-28-2022, 03:02 AM   #3282
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I think Sting is probably their most recognizable star
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Old 01-28-2022, 03:07 AM   #3283
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Old 01-28-2022, 07:58 AM   #3284
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Old 01-28-2022, 08:21 AM   #3285
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Jericho was in a ladder match?
Jericho tanked the ratings.
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Old 01-28-2022, 11:12 AM   #3286
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Old 01-28-2022, 02:29 PM   #3287
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LOL, now it is just Men 18-49 that matters.

Raw beat Dynamite in total viewers, the actual demo AEW has been saying is all that matters, AND signed a new streaming deal with Disney+!

Gotta love twitter folks spinning wins
I’m telling you, when AEW’s 49 yr old fans have birthdays over the next year, suddenly the important demo will switch again. But WWE will just be winning out of “loyalty.”

1.1 million is a hilarious number. It reminds me of the days when people used to mock TNA for a 1.1 rating. Now we’re supposed to be celebrating that in terms of viewership.

Also, unless advertisers are trying to sell fleshlights in prime time on basic cable, no one gives a shit about a show that appeals only to men.

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It's not about WWE Xrod. We are celebrating AEW, so take that! You cannot kill AEW. Tony Khan is the Vince McMahon of the Digital Era and scum like you had best acknowledge him. DO IT.
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Old 01-31-2022, 04:58 PM   #3288
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600k for Rampage… solid.
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Old 01-31-2022, 07:26 PM   #3289
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600k for Rampage… solid.
Rampage ratings on an upward trend, guess who is going to book himself on Rampage next week so he can take credit...
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Old 01-31-2022, 08:21 PM   #3290
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Crazy that Rampage is one of the hottest shows in wrestling. Number 4 show in wrestling for sure.
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Old 02-01-2022, 12:22 PM   #3291
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600k an impressive number. For Rampage. Comparatively. Not sure they can sell many ad slots with 600k 40 yr old virginal white mem. Especially since they chased off Domino’s.
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Old 02-01-2022, 04:28 PM   #3292
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1.86 million, nice bump from the Rumble
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Old 02-02-2022, 01:24 AM   #3293
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Yet no one in the WWE are stars. Only AEW knows how to make stars.
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Old 02-02-2022, 01:02 PM   #3294
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Yet no one in the WWE are stars. Only AEW knows how to make stars.
Do people really think that? I mean I can't make it through a WWE episode but it's undeniable the talent that they have, the stars that are there and the potential stars and characters that are being creatively malnourished.

I do think that there is something to be said for the newer WWE fan. They may not know how bad it is right now, some people blindly love 3 hours of Raw. WWE has some great stars like Bobby Lashley, Roman, Drew, Brock, Ronda, Charlotte, Becky, Orton, Riddle, AJ and ton's more probably. But they also have those newer talents like Gable, Theory or Omos, NXT guys like Gunther, Tyler Bate, Pete Dune... WWE should be booking those younger talents and potential stars against those guys like Roman, Lashley and Orton etc... but their booking just so trash and repetitive and seems to never offer anything interesting.

WWE could easily have the best shows in wrestling if they had someone writing them that really cared about producing a good show for wrestling fans that also would please their outside interests and sponsors. But they can so easily rely on those fans that are too stupid to know the difference.
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Old 02-02-2022, 01:18 PM   #3295
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Do people really think that? I mean I can't make it through a WWE episode but it's undeniable the talent that they have, the stars that are there and the potential stars and characters that are being creatively malnourished.

I do think that there is something to be said for the newer WWE fan. They may not know how bad it is right now, some people blindly love 3 hours of Raw. WWE has some great stars like Bobby Lashley, Roman, Drew, Brock, Ronda, Charlotte, Becky, Orton, Riddle, AJ and ton's more probably. But they also have those newer talents like Gable, Theory or Omos, NXT guys like Gunther, Tyler Bate, Pete Dune... WWE should be booking those younger talents and potential stars against those guys like Roman, Lashley and Orton etc... but their booking just so trash and repetitive and seems to never offer anything interesting.

WWE could easily have the best shows in wrestling if they had someone writing them that really cared about producing a good show for wrestling fans that also would please their outside interests and sponsors. But they can so easily rely on those fans that are too stupid to know the difference.
Yeah, it’s based off a rant Bryan Alvarez had on his show. The WWE doesn’t know how to create any stars, whereas AEW has created its four pillars and Britt Baker and they’re all definitely stars.

Now, he probably doesn’t really think that, but that’s the message being spread.
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Old 02-02-2022, 01:19 PM   #3296
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why would he not mean it?
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Old 02-02-2022, 01:30 PM   #3297
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why would he not mean it?
You just asked if people really think that.

He’s working a particular audience. It’s insane to think that any of the people he mentioned are bigger stars than anyone pushed in WWE. It just doesn’t make mathematical sense.
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Old 02-02-2022, 01:34 PM   #3298
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I asked no such thinghausen.
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I asked no such thinghausen.
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What do we mean by stars?

Talents that people tune in to see? Talents with mainstream appeal? Talents you can build a company around? Talents that have feature spots on the show?
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What do we mean by stars?

Talents that people tune in to see? Talents with mainstream appeal? Talents you can build a company around? Talents that have feature spots on the show?
Talent that people tune in to see. You can argue star in the relative sense, but then what’s building got to do with it? The context necessitates that it is results-based.
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Talent that people tune in to see. You can argue star in the relative sense, but then what’s building got to do with it? The context necessitates that it is results-based.
And what results are we judging this on? Revenue, profit, TV ratings, social media engagement, merchandise sales, growth in any of those areas?
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And what results are we judging this on? Revenue, profit, TV ratings, social media engagement, merchandise sales, growth in any of those areas?
TV ratings and other comparable levels of engagement would make sense. To say that Adam Page is a star when 954k watched his show whereas Austin Theory is not, when double that watch his? Eh. It doesn’t add up.
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Old 02-03-2022, 04:56 PM   #3309
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Tough night last night with NBA and NHL. Not a fair comparison for AEW which is a new company. I'd disregard this rating because it's an anomaly due to sports and the recent news.
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Tough night last night with NBA and NHL. Not a fair comparison for AEW which is a new company. I'd disregard this rating because it's an anomaly due to sports and the recent news.
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HUR DUR NBA NHL but we don't get to use excuses when RAW is against the NFL. LULZ.
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Did 954,000 viewers and a 0.35 demo.

Hahaha in your face damnienray u fucking idiot. AEW sucks ass
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Did 954,000 viewers and a 0.35 demo.

Hahaha in your face damnienray u fucking idiot. AEW sucks ass
The drawing power of Phil Brooks my friends.
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You know have the appeal of CM Punk is just chanting his name. He's nothing remarkable in the ring, over suitable yes but nowhere near a Steamboat. His real gold comes from his character work and promo's and the ability to tell a story in the ring. His character as a person is nothing special, I don't really understand why he's so famous. But since he is I hope they begin using him in his strongest character which is that super egotistical verbal warrior that he was in his strong WWE runs and ROH.

Punk isn't ratings. That's for certain. But he is a star, and generally speaking his matches on Dynamite draw well.
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using him as a loud mouth punk who gets his ass handed to him would be great. id buy that. like a glorified heel manager. just comically beaten around the ring for long stretches.
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Another great rating for AEW. Almost a millions a sexy number.
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Just going to say: I don’t care about CM Punk at all. The wise guy with the mic has been exposed. It’s so 2011. He’s been given the chance to be the star he whined about not being. Now he’s just a less famous Miz.
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TV ratings and other comparable levels of engagement would make sense. To say that Adam Page is a star when 954k watched his show whereas Austin Theory is not, when double that watch his? Eh. It doesn’t add up.
Likewise to say Austin Theory is a star just because he’s on a show that draws “double” the rating. Who’s genuinely watching to see Austin Theory? Kevin Patrick isn’t a star just because he’s on Raw.

You can be the “star” of a property that does a lower rating/revenue than another property. Just because [INSERT MCU MOVIE HERE] sets Box Office records doesn’t mean any actor in the cast is a bigger star than a Tom Cruise who appears in relatively smaller Box Office successes.

I’d struggle to point at anyone in WWE that has widespread appeal. Yeah you get your Sasha Banks with bit parts on Star Wars TV shows, Becky in a movie, Roman with a bit part in a blockbuster but ask the average person in the street and they’re not recognisable.

Was Shawn Michaels less of a star because WWF was getting trouched in the ratings by WCW when he was on top?

I think it might be a bit of a “misnomer” in that when he talks about “stars” what he actually means is “talents that you can anchor the show with” or “talents that get a reaction”. WWE - by your own admission - have failed to cycle people into these positions for years.
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Likewise to say Austin Theory is a star just because he’s on a show that draws “double” the rating. Who’s genuinely watching to see Austin Theory? Kevin Patrick isn’t a star just because he’s on Raw.

You can be the “star” of a property that does a lower rating/revenue than another property. Just because [INSERT MCU MOVIE HERE] sets Box Office records doesn’t mean any actor in the cast is a bigger star than a Tom Cruise who appears in relatively smaller Box Office successes.

I’d struggle to point at anyone in WWE that has widespread appeal. Yeah you get your Sasha Banks with bit parts on Star Wars TV shows, Becky in a movie, Roman with a bit part in a blockbuster but ask the average person in the street and they’re not recognisable.

Was Shawn Michaels less of a star because WWF was getting trouched in the ratings by WCW when he was on top?

I think it might be a bit of a “misnomer” in that when he talks about “stars” what he actually means is “talents that you can anchor the show with” or “talents that get a reaction”. WWE - by your own admission - have failed to cycle people into these positions for years.
Austin Theory is a bigger star than just about anyone in AEW. Shawn Michaels was not as big a star as Hulk Hogan, no. He was a bigger star than Jungle Boy. They do not have a Tom Cruise. They have not created a Tom Cruise.
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The easiest answer is a true Star in wrestling is somebody who outdraws the company. What I mean by that is are people paying to see WWE, or are they paying to see Stone Cold.

That is a very small list of people historically. Very few have been bigger than the brand in WWE, drawing people who normally would not go to a show just because WWE is in town, but Brock Lesnar is having a match, they want to check it out.

AEW does not have anybody on that level. It is why you get AEW chants, because the brand itself is the reason people go, much like ECW was. It does not matter what wrestler is on the show until they get a true Star.

The funny thing is that is what Vince wants. He wants WWE to be the draw, but his company is so big they do have to let a few people be elevated to that level.

Also funny is that Tony wishes the opposite. It is why he tries so hard to bring in new people, because he does not have anybody who is an actual star that can continually bring in viewers. Signing new people gives him a short rerm bump, and that is the best option he has.

CM Punk is supposed to be a giant star, and they built him vs MJF for 2 months, and the payoff for them was a 13% decrease in ratings from the previous week.

That tells you all you need to know about Phil. The people that watched that show, myself included, are the people that were going to watch AEW regardless of who was on the card.
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