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Old 04-07-2019, 11:03 AM   #121
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Beautiful People was wack and not that hot.
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:04 AM   #122
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ROH being desperate enough to bring in Enzo/Cass and the "Beautiful" people.
I no doubt believe if Bully has the influence that he got his GF the job
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:28 AM   #123
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Velvet Sky would still get it, but Angelina Love has looked horrible for a long time now
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Old 04-07-2019, 11:31 AM   #124
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The women's title match was a low point in the show. I'm not familiar with Kelly Klein's work but she seemed to work slowwwwwwwwwwwww. Not sure if that's the norm with her but if so it was always going to be a problem against Mayu who is great at fast paced stuff.

Adding to everything else, that match is when people in the crowd started getting word about Bret being attacked and everyone was pulling out their phones to find video. Nobody was paying attention to the match at all by the end.
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Old 04-07-2019, 12:20 PM   #125
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:22 PM   #126
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I think Enzo and Cass is good for ROH.
Don’t get me wrong. I think it’s a cool idea to have them “invade” and I think ultimately they’re good for business. It’s just odd because they could not be more opposite of what ROH is about. It’s a weird pairing.
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:43 PM   #127
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But really what is ROH all about? It's a far cry from the first five years of their business. It's a far cry from the second resurgence a few years back as well. The best main draw they have is probably going to AEW (Scurll), Lethal is the Bob Backlund of ROH, he hold's the belt because they don't have anyone better for it, and I guess they want to give Taven a try and that's fine. He's a classic ROH style heel, very much like Austin Aries it seems. He was good and could be a good staple for the title scene until they find their star.

Everyone is saying NJPW needs to cut ties with ROH and work with AEW and that is just obviously the best thing for NJPW if they want to do co-promoted shows. Hell even MLW has a better roster of top guys who would be interesting with NJPW.
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Old 04-07-2019, 02:10 PM   #128
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The partnership they have with CMLL pretty much ties them to ROH for the US. Can't see them dropping that partnership and really don't see MLW, AEW, or Impact ending their partnerships with AAA.
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Old 04-07-2019, 03:02 PM   #129
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Then CMLL need to tell ROH to up their game. Grown adults run all these promotions. AEW can work with AAA and New Japan and New Japan can work with AEW and CMLL. I don’t care about New Japan/ROH at all.

The Women’s Division itself highlights how ROH has lost its identity. They have thrown together a women’s roster because, well, that’s what you do, right?

Enzo boosted attention for 205 Live, but it’s not the same as ROH and he’s not in the same space. So much controversy around both the guys, and it makes it hard to enjoy them and seems really desperate and attention-starved, to be honest. It’d be like bringing in New Jack, which I can see happening. I fully expect Tommy Dreamer to start working with them and this becoming Bully Ray presents ECW. What’s Sabu up to?
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Old 04-07-2019, 03:53 PM   #130
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They'll probably sign Eli Drake now.
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I’d prefer that, since I don’t give a shit about ROH. It was going to be a shame if AEW went after him and they disqualified themselves so early.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:13 PM   #132
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There are rumors he’s talking to WWE, which would be fine with me, as it immediately makes AEW the #1 promotion. WWE can bring in Drake and he can flop harder than EC3.
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Why do you hate Eli so hard?
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Why do you hate Eli so hard?
The guy is really bad, but you can tell he thinks he’s really good. He wants to be The Rock so bad, but when copying him physically and coming up with things to repeat on the mic, he completely forgot the charisma element that carried Rock to bulletproof heights.
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My first 1st live ladder match
I read this as "1st live bladder match" because of the previous comment by Vito, and now I don't want to be corrected. Good on Ring of Honor on turning piss breaks into battle royals!!!

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Women's match sucked... Feel like Kelly Klein is not good........ based on that match
She isn't. She feels like the female Baron Corbin, if Corbin were in the indys and surrounded by a) a bunch of people who aren't much better or b) people who are much better, but get scooped up by WWE. She "looks the shit" and can promo a bit, but that's about it. She's awful from bell to bell.

With that said, she's better than Mandy Leon, and now she's going to "replace" Madison Rayne? Eh.

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Don’t get me wrong. I think it’s a cool idea to have them “invade” and I think ultimately they’re good for business. It’s just odd because they could not be more opposite of what ROH is about. It’s a weird pairing.
I don't see this as such a bad thing. It is great that they came in as a tandem. To your point about being "opposite of ROH", this looks like a natural fit to start a feud with Lifeblood. I am not the biggest fan of Enzo for his crimes against hip-hop, but he does draw attention/heat. Cass hopefully gets more chance to shine, as he often got overshadowed by Enzo doing the heavy lifting on the mic, but had more opportunity to actually show it in NXT than he did with that gawdawful singles cup of coffee in WWE. Wait and see feels apt to say here. Kinda sucks this gets overshadowed by the happenstance of the Bret Hart incident, though.

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The guy is really bad, but you can tell he thinks he’s really good. He wants to be The Rock so bad, but when copying him physically and coming up with things to repeat on the mic, he completely forgot the charisma element that carried Rock to bulletproof heights.
That's it in a nutshell. All these years later, and he's still Tryhard Miavia. To his credit, he has the tools to be decent, but he spends it all in a aping one of the greatest ever direction. That didn't even work for Sonny Siaki, and he's family. He's like a comedian who is funny backstage and in real life situations, but when he's on stage, gets super into trying to be just like like Carlin or Pryor and comes off as a pale imitation.

It is akin to when Jay Lethal was doing his whole "greatest 1st generation wrestler" heel run with the ROH Championship and TV Title, he seemed to be (maybe unintentionally) perpetually doing his Ric Flair impression. It's one thing when he's doing it being funny, it is quite another to do it on the regular. If I had never seen or heard Jay before, he would have struck me the same way as Eli Drake does constantly.
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There were things about The Rock that bothered me when he did them, and while I've grown to appreciate Rocky's overall greatness and accept that my tastes on the matter were probably subjective, personal and underdeveloped -- Rock would come off a bit corny to me and he was the fucking Rock.

I don't want to see a guy with zero charisma, who looks like my uncle that is still chasing 20-something year-old tail at the clubs well into his 30s trying to do the same thing. His punches go all over the place, his poise in the ring is fucking ridiculous. His promo shtick, at least the stuff I saw a few years ago, made no sense. I've asked Simple Fan this many times, but I still can't work out what "Dummy? Yeah! Dummy? Yeah!" even means. Is he talking to himself? Wtf?

It's like he's a Rock fanboy that doesn't understand what it was that a) made The Rock good, or b), and more importantly, made him special.

Does it pass into irrational hatred? Maybe. I play it up as part gimmick, of course. But it's refreshing to see someone like Tom Guycott, a seemingly reasonable guy, identify the same things I do. I just think he's a really awful on-air performer, and he's treated by some people (not many or anyone important) like he's this charismatic blue-chipper.

To try and tie this into something Tom mentioned about Kelly Klein (who I haven't seen): I think one of the frustrating things about wrestling is the socialist fraternity it's become. To an extent it's good, I guess. I like nice people, and everyone in wrestling seems so nice and supportive of one another these days. But while I appreciate the importance for kindness in the outside world, in a performance-based industry I'd really like to see some fucking stars, please. And stars have ego, and they understand that when it comes to performance not everyone can do this thing. It is a talent, it is a skill, it is an art where some people are going to be worshipped as gods and other people are going to pour passion into it giving it their best shot, but they're just not the right fit for it.

There's no substitute for hard work in this world, true. But I think wrestling really suffers when people that aren't that good get treated like they are because their buddies are too nice to tell them that they suck or refuse to put them over because they understand that it would shatter the point they are trying to make. I feel like you couldn't get a Stone Cold Steve Austin today, because an Austin would insist on putting Rock over a month before WrestleMania, or he would have worked with Jeff Jarrett and Billy Gunn. He wouldn't have been the carnivore that was going to make sure he got steak first, where the most important relationship was his one with the crowd buying tickets and not the crowd in the back standing around and clapping over each other's planchas.
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Since we're talking about him in here, Eli Drake has been fired by TNA. His contract was allegedly set to expire in May, but they wanted him out of there fast. Drake refused to work with Tessa Blanchard and TNA made the call to get rid of him. It's coming out that he's apparently a pain in the ass to work with and has "attitude problems," whatever that means.

I actually don't disagree with his decision not to do the intergender match, but if you're so concerned about the believability of your shit, maybe you should work on actually making it look good?
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To clairify about Kelly Klein: she would be a meh woman's wrestler in the 80s. It is 2019 (current year argument). Back then, she would be fed to Bull Nakano on her way to a PPV match with Alundra Blayze. Now, she's billed to be this giant badass, but there are so many ladies in many feds who are markedly better. She isn't dogshit, mind you. Nor is she dangerous and super-sloppy. But she isn't surrounded by talent to make her any better. Any time I see a Women of Honor match/show with her on it, it is just... eh.

I know someone might be waiting for me to make a HHH comparison, but Hunter is at least mediocre in the "big leagues". Klein is mediocre in a farm team OF the farm team, but looks menacing walking up to the plate, so good enough.

If she were in NXT, and surrounded by various workhorses of various types... who knows? Reminds me of that Stone Cold ECW promo "You are what you eat. I got fed garbage, so I became garbage; I became complacent."
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Never understood the Eli Drake trying to be The Rock thing. His promos remind me more if Ric Flair than The Rock. Also if you can't figure out what Dummy, Yeah means it's probably because you're a Dummy, Yeah.
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I like that Kelly Klein is champion again and hopefully they move away from the Stardom women. The Allure thing was a bit sour knowing they just had Madison Rayne but I like that they are doing something good with Mandy Leon.
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I decided officially the top 3 matches from the weekend
Ibushi/Naito
Kofi/Bryan
Gargano/Cole

Wasn't there for the nxt show but it deserves to be up there.
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Never understood the Eli Drake trying to be The Rock thing. His promos remind me more if Ric Flair than The Rock. Also if you can't figure out what Dummy, Yeah means it's probably because you're a Dummy, Yeah.
He moves like The Rock, talks like The Rock, swings around catchphrases that are just awful.

First of all, “Dummy! Yeah!” doesn’t have any proper syntax. Is he calling someone else a dummy? Why is he saying it to the crowd and/or himself? Why has he not used any pronouns? Why the cadence? Why affirm his own supposition? It...makes...no...sense. He thinks it sounds good or something. It doesn’t. It would be like someone having a catchphrase that goes “Moron? Sure. Moron? Sure.” Are you ordering one from the shops?

You might think he comes off like Ric Flair to you, but you also can’t understand why people would care about someone dying if they didn’t live down the street from you. It comes off like “Hoo-rah!” Miz. It’s low-rent and shit.
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Is Simple Fan an idiot? Yep. Idiot? Yep. Does he chant it because no one will chant with him?

If someone wants to call you a fucking nationalistic fuckwit, they can just do it without the lame-ass sing-song. You fucking nationalistic fuckwit.
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Dear God man you are too proper for your own good. He was a heel and yeah he's calling someone a dummy and then agreeing with himself. Also it's not supposed to sound good, it's meant to be annoying obviously.

His promos style comes of like Ric, he does have the catchphrases like The Rock but thats about it. Miz is actually a good comparison, he's not on Miz's level but they both are good mid card heels that you can use in the main event here and there.
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Dear God man you are too proper for your own good. He was a heel and yeah he's calling someone a dummy and then agreeing with himself. Also it's not supposed to sound good, it's meant to be annoying obviously.

His promos style comes of like Ric, he does have the catchphrases like The Rock but thats about it. Miz is actually a good comparison, he's not on Miz's level but they both are good mid card heels that you can use in the main event here and there.
Oh, it's not supposed to be good. Gotcha. Good thing he's shit then. Great television.
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Never understood the Eli Drake trying to be The Rock thing.
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1) He moves like The Rock, talks like The Rock, swings around catchphrases that are just awful.

2) It's like he's a Rock fanboy that doesn't understand what it was that a) made The Rock good, or b), and more importantly, made him special.
It was noticeable even before it was revealed that he worked with/for The Rock in some kind of way. That actually might have been a detriment to his development, because it's like he is just poorly emulating his hero. Just because you want to like the guy CAN'T STOP, WON'T STOP him from being awful and annoying.

He might even be given a chance if he stops doing all that shit and finds his own voice. I even partially mean that in the literal sense- he might not be able to do much about the tone if that is his normal speaking voice, but he sure as hell can alter cadence and inflections.
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Exactly. I’m glad I’m not the only person who noticed it. I knew he wanted to be The Rock’s boy before I saw him, but when I did it was like “Hang on, this guy is doing an Asylum film version.”

There are guys that remind me of other people. Johnny Jeter reminded me a lot of Chris Jericho. But it didn’t come off as a hollow facsimile.
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