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Old 07-15-2023, 11:15 PM   #281
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Old 07-15-2023, 11:17 PM   #282
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Old 07-16-2023, 12:19 AM   #283
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Collision looks amazing. Fucking love Kevin Kelly and Nigel on commentary.

The time limit call in the tag match was smart. They listen to Jim Cornette. Constant calls throughout the match would be weird today, but announcing the 5 minute end? Smart. It also makes fans believe in a draw. That FTR won was smart diversion. I was toying with the drama of a draw. FTR would retain, but you could always do a ďwe won the first fall.Ē With matches going so long these days and 2/3 Falls believable reaching the limit, it might be useful to implement a rule that the first fall is so important because in the event of a draw, first fall wins regardless of championís advantage.

Punk and Starks looked good. I like Punk going back to shorts. I didnít really buy into Starks winning last week. Feels kind of ďforced.Ē But I loved this finish. Punk got screwed, but in a way that it could be like ďKudos, kid. I would have done that when I was your age too. But think deeply about the path youíre on.Ē

The womenís match seemed fine. A lot more organic spots in these matches. Willow winning is cool. So many Calgary-appropriate spots. Not a bad thing.

Iím not big into House of Black. Kings of the Black Throne was thrown out a lot. I wonder if a trademark lapsed or something? Maybe itís like a Submission Sorority thing they just figured out. They worked this smart. Best Iíve seen Brody King look. Watching this I realized I want them to explain HOBís bullshit with Malakai having contractual leverage being at one point a really hot free agent. Would rather they cut out the lights and bullshit, but it could go a step towards explaining how they basically do whatever they want. Andrade coming out builds. I think/hope he costs HOB the belts next week and they move the heels in a new direction with Malakai as a big bad and slowly move away from the trios shit.

Battle of the Belts looked good too! Love the commentary team getting more time. I hate the Orange Cassidy gimmick, but this was the best Iíve seen him look too. Nothing unbelievable, except I donít get him kicking out of that big slam. But the countout finish was smart. Lance Archer is good.

Luchasaurus isnít my jam. Shawn Spears is alright. Fine.

Was half-expecting Punk to crash Starksí ceremony and reveal himself to be more of a dick, but itís legit charity so it is smart they didnít. That can come next week. But it would have been an edgy turn of Punk being the disgruntled party.
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Old 07-16-2023, 12:40 AM   #284
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I didn't like the whole show but for the most part loved it. I just can't figure out every reason Collision hits it out of the park compared to Dynamite.

I like D's commentary team but prefer Collisions

I like cruiserweight wrestling (some of my fondest WCW memories) but it's nice to not see that spot where a bunch of wrestlers are bowling pins for someone jumping into them.

I like goofy backstage interviews but appreciate it's mostly not a thing on this show.

Who again are the writers for Collision? Punk, Schiavone, Kahn, FTR? Anyone else? Because it friggin works (so far).
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Old 07-16-2023, 12:44 AM   #285
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It's not the best night for a live show that'll interfere with other sports/ppv. It should have probably premiered in the winter in that regard.
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Old 07-16-2023, 01:40 AM   #286
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Another great show!

Opening tag match, that wasn't going to be beat. Punk/Starr's is interesting and sets up a nice fallout for next week.

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Old 07-16-2023, 02:57 AM   #287
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Was Bret Hart advertised? I read he was, but it could have been a Guru Dave.
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Old 07-16-2023, 05:32 AM   #288
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Nah, just hoped he'd be there as it was in Calgary.
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Oh I thought I’d read Bret was going to be there.
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Old 07-16-2023, 11:20 AM   #290
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Old 07-16-2023, 12:48 PM   #291
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Noid, xrod, Trips, etc. gonna need to go back and watch that 58 minute tag match.
FTR no longer has any appeal to me. They have the same "we wrestle good" gimmick that almost everybody else has, but with the added bonus of "we like Bret Hart". Bald specifically is so insufferable that the meme exists of whenever anything bad happens, people ask "but is FTR Bald ok?".

If anything, if the match is that great, it is just another reminder that the best they can do with Jay White is in a tag team that is not even the tag champs. What is the point that?

Willow is clearly Tiny's favorite new toy. Why would the entire Outcasts gimmick of we use the numbers game to win, be ignored completely for a finals match? That is literally their entire gimmick, but Toni and Saraya just skipped this one? Such illogical booking.

Why is House of Black wrestling local jobbers? AEW has like 200 wrestlers signed to their roster, they can't use anybody else?

So the fans are booing the guy coming out in Hart colors, and cheering the guy who has been one of the few characters they have that is pretty much universally liked, and they have that guy win by cheating and then have him disrespect Liger by snatching the trophy from him? Let's turn Ricky Starks heel because everybody wants Phil as a babyface, Tiny Khan logic.

Has any title ever.changed hands on a Battle of the Belts show? I really do not remember.

They bring Lance Archer back as this big monster deserving a title match even with him having been off TV for months, and have him lose by countout? WTF

So Taya could not win the TBS Title, so fuck it that earns her a World Title match... Got it! So Toni is clearly there, why would Ruby go out to help win when Toni was MIA an hour ago for her?

So TNT Champion Christian and his Monster Dinosaur hailing from The Tar Pits are fighting against Shawn Spears, who I did not even know was still around. He deserves a title match why, because he is from the same country 1200+ miles away from where they happen to be? It is clearly not because he is a smart contender since he lost by being a distracted idiot.

Honestly, what is the point? Every show is booked like an exhibition with no meaning or followup, other than booking the same match over and over again.

Where is Miro? Has he even wrestled since the first Collision? Did they really have ZERO followup for Samoa Joe? Do they really have Andrade fueding over "they took my halloween mask"? It is not even the overdone Lucha mask story, it is just a piece of his entrance attire. Would the Bucks fued over somebody stealing their tassels? That would be a multiple weeks storyline?

This is just more of the same illogical shit that they used to do exclusively on Dynamite, just with less flippy nonsense.
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Old 07-16-2023, 02:45 PM   #292
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lol. not a bad assessment really
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lol. not a bad assessment really
They have so much to work with, it is just frustrating. Hell give Jeff Jarrett the book, because early TNA was really innovative at least.
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Old 07-16-2023, 03:20 PM   #294
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Nah, gotta disagree. You can take the logic sword to Dynamite, but Collision’s booking makes sense. It doesn’t have the same ADHD as most modern wrestling.

I get the FTR complaint, but I’d rather them shutting the fuck up and doing the work in the ring than not. Thought the ending of the match was really clever, especially as I thought we were going to a draw or heel win. Jay White seems to have his fingers in the pie as a heel (he called out Punk last week). The tag titles were just a showcase of how good he and Juice are.

Heel interference isn’t going to happen in the Owen tournament. Ruby had something to prove by making it to the finals and redeeming her loss from last year. The Outcasts shit is horrible, so it makes sense for the wrestling show to move away from it. Ruby might grow away from her stablemates and this could play into that story.

Samoa Joe is a patient motherfucker. He doesn’t need to be on TV this week. He’ll strike when the moment is right.

I liked House of Black beating the jobbers. It’s an establishing win before they drop the belts next week. As I said, I hope they interject the idea that Malakai Black has swing, hence the request against tin cans being granted.

Miro should be on television next week, but it’s not like there is wasted motion on these shows. They’ve been building to what is imminent.

I did have the thought that Lance Archer should have just beat Orange Cassidy. But going with TK’s fetish, this was the best OC has ever looked, and it’s partially because the victory over Archer seemed credible and earned. He gets more out of squeaking a countout than he does knocking someone else out.
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Old 07-16-2023, 03:24 PM   #295
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AEW as a whole is terrible. They’ve got some massive icebergs coming their way. But the team that puts together Collision — whether it’s Punk, Danielson, FTR, Kevin Kelly, whoever — clearly get wrestling and try to have things make sense. And I get the impression they were behind Battle of the Belts too.

Hopefully they will be behind Dynamite soon, because it’s no good having one show that makes sense if the bulk of the product is still a bunch of shit happening for no reason. Realistically, guys like Jericho, Moxley and The Elite are never going to let anyone else handle their booking — especially Punk — but you can let them handle their own shit and when it’s terrible they might get the idea.
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Oh, and I’m not sure Ricky Starks is turning heel, guys. They might indicate that way, but this just feels like drama and a credible way for Starks to move past Punk without beating him flat. Now Punk can be disappointed dad. Or even approving mentor.

Beating Punk needs to mean something, but it’s also got to come from a scrappy place. Starks has this career victory but still has things he needs to prove.
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Oh, and when Collision takes over Dynamite, can we please get Ian Riccaboni and Caprice Coleman on the call, pls.
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Ian Riccaboni should get to fill in Kevin Kelly when Kevin goes to do the G1. That will be a good segue into him taking a spot on Dynamite. The first move will be to have him replace Tony Schiavone, who will go to interviewing and maybe sitting in on Rampage if he still wants to be at a desk. So weíll get a few weird weeks of Ian Riccaboni, Excalibur and Taz. But then you do an angle with Taz and hook, move him back into managing and Caprice sneaks on.

Then itís Ian Riccaboni, Caprice Coleman and Excalibur. By then maybe Excalibur will have learned to lay out, be sick of it, have a deal expiring, be happy to go to Rampage, or whatever, and just get the fuck out of the way.
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AEW could use some better referees too. Was Bryce Remsburg the ref in the main event? He was in really bad position for that finish. It’s little details like that.

Mike Chiota is old now, I guess. Brian Hebner retired, but you could probably throw money at him. I’m sure there are trained refs out there in the indies and they can train guys themselves.

AEW’s never really needed to call for their refs to actually be good.
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Oh, and Iím not sure Ricky Starks is turning heel, guys. They might indicate that way, but this just feels like drama and a credible way for Starks to move past Punk without beating him flat. Now Punk can be disappointed dad. Or even approving mentor.

Beating Punk needs to mean something, but itís also got to come from a scrappy place. Starks has this career victory but still has things he needs to prove.
Itís more the thing with Liger and the trophy than the way he beat Punk.
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In typical Noid fashion, I watched the main event on YouTube and was thoroughly disappointed by CM Punk's sloppy ass attempting moves that could potentially injure his opponents. His in-ring work is subpar and his ring gear is an eyesore.

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Itís more the thing with Liger and the trophy than the way he beat Punk.
I didnít catch that bit. No one seems enthused about a heel turn. Iíd definitely go down the fake out root.

ďHey, last week you cheated. Young me would have done the same thing. But he careful about the path you walk, because there are still people whose feathers are ruffled. And they get away with lies and politics and maybe that sticks because Iíve got those enemies. Youíve got the natural talent and the drive to make a lot of enemies. Iím not going to be one of them.Ē

Punk vs. White is probably your main event. Would make sense. Have that spill into chaos at the end with Bullet Club Gold, Samoa Joe. You could even have House of Black and Andrade get involved after The Acclaimed take up the right cause after beating HOB earlier. Just for some new names in there. Big brawl to close the show. You either have no Starks or Starks make the final save.

Teasing the heel turn could be interesting.
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Old 07-16-2023, 04:15 PM   #303
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Actually, I like that idea: Punk is getting beat down by Jay White, Juice Robinson and The Gunns. Juice tries to go into Punk’s bag, but it’s a fake reveal because Punk knew something would go down. FTR have been hurt earlier in the show. Or they’re on other assignment. The Acclaimed make the save because they’re in the house and faces. House of Black hits. Andrade tries to make the save ahead of his big singles match with Malakai, but it’s 7 on 5.

Samoa Joe comes out and starts helping the heels. The crowd is chanting for Ricky Starks. Miro or Powerhouse Hobbs makes the save instead. Hobbs works thematically for me. Moro is the bigger star.

Starks doesn’t show up. He was washing his hair.
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Old 07-16-2023, 04:27 PM   #304
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So Collision next week would be:

* Ricky Starks/CM Punk promo establishing Punk isn’t mad at Starks. Be careful of the enemies you make.

* The Acclaimed beating House of Black to win the six-man belts. Andrade challenges Malakai for the next week.

* Powerhouse Hobbs dumps QTV on Rampage and squashes one of them on Collision. QT Marshall would be fine. This explains why he’s in the building.

* You’d do something with Ruby Soho and her frustration at not winning the tournament and her buddies not being there. Maybe Ruby & Saraya vs. Willow & Skye Blue? Or throw another face in there and do the whole Outcasts. Whatever.

* Ricky Starks would logically wrestle. Makes sense to put him in the building and give him a logical reason to not get involved. If he disrespected Liger, a veteran or even someone from Japan would make sense. Christopher Daniels or something could work.

* CM Punk vs. Jay White, big brawl angle.

The show kind of takes care of itself.
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Nah, gotta disagree. You can take the logic sword to Dynamite, but Collisionís booking makes sense. It doesnít have the same ADHD as most modern wrestling.
Oh don't get me wrong, Dynamite is the same show, all the faults, all the nonsense, but just with different people that flip a bit more and the goofy shit that is Moxley and all that comes with it. It is still Tiny booking for shit though.
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Collision has got that attention to detail though. You can tell people who listen to Jim Cornette have got their hands on the show. Well, Tony hears Jim Cornette every week too. He just doesn’t listen.
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Dynamite still largely the drizzling shits. When you hear Matt Hardy or Jon Moxley or Chris Jericho talk, you just have to question how insane it is anyone would let them near creative or put them in anything resembling a leadership role.
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Is Blood & Guts this week? I’d like them to do a Ricky Starks segment where Punk confronts him. Helps boost that show. Punk can challenge Samoa Joe to a Fight Without Honor at the end of it. Then you’ve got Punk/Joe and The Acclaimed & Billy Gunn vs. House of Black set up for Collision.
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Collision on soon. They’ve got their work cut out for them following that modern classic Blood & Guts this week.
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Let's take a guy who worked hard and got over, and turn him heel to appease the idiot booker's dream of booking his favorite wrestler as a babyface.
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Let's take a guy who worked hard and got over, and turn him heel to appease the idiot booker's dream of booking his favorite wrestler as a babyface.
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