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Old 08-27-2023, 05:59 PM   #121
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The MJF/Adam Cole stuff has been working in terms of small ratings bumps for them, but overall it feels like a pretty infantile story.
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That little cokehead if talking about Fight Forever in the presser lol
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Wembley II is not going to sell on the back of it just being wrestling in Wembley. Well, maybe there will be hopes that AEW will have its shit together for the second one. But we’ll see what shape they’re in in a year’s time.
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Write it off on tax, because sitting through this product is work.
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Old 08-27-2023, 06:08 PM   #127
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Pretty good.

Missed Punk vs Joe. Don’t care, Punk is shit.

Joined in towards the end of Kenny and friends and Takeshita and friends. Didn’t care, wasted Omega putting him in a multi man match.

Bucks v FTR was pretty good.

Stadium Stampede was fine I suppose. A waste of some big names though and these multi man matches just to get everyone on the card are all a bit samey now.

Coffin match was good, Sting with his Metallica WCW theme was cool. Swerve is really good and I’d like to see him in a bigger program. I think him vs Omega would be so good.

Brauds match was fine. Saraya is shit. Shame Hayter’s injured. Shida should’ve retained.

Missed most of Jericho vs Ospreay but glad Ospreay won. He seems good every time I’ve seen him.

Trios was fine, ending was obvious and glad for my man Billy Gunn. Malakai Black needs to move on to be a bigger deal now though. He should be AEW’s god level bad guy. Have him murder Punk in a feud and then go after the world title. Black VS MJF would be something different and fresh, while feeling like a big deal.

MJF is so good. This whole angle has actually made Adam Cole somewhat bearable. Including that Roddy Strong guy though is a bad decision, he’s one of the worst actors I’ve seen and just isn’t needed. Really glad they hinted at both turning but neither did, the story has legs in it yet.
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That little cokehead if talking about Fight Forever in the presser lol
With how long it took to develop the game, and how quickly it fizzled, it’s probably the most ironic name for a wrestling game ever.
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Old 08-27-2023, 06:11 PM   #129
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On the whole it’s a lot of the same criticisms I’ve always had for AEW. Cut down the roster a bit, lose about 75% of the titles they have, and stop trying to cram so many people onto the card by using multi man matches.

But the stuff they get right they do really well.
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Old 08-27-2023, 06:16 PM   #130
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Tiny Khan talks just like Donald Trump. Everything is GREAT and AMAZING and BIGGEST and BEST.

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Old 08-27-2023, 06:43 PM   #131
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I have enjoyed most Roderick Strong matches but I'm not sure I liked him in anything else. Just keep him rasslin and avoid putting him elsewhere lol
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Old 08-27-2023, 06:52 PM   #132
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Good and fun show.

Did not care for Moxley's nonsense but enjoyed the second half of the show in particular. MJF/Adam were the highlight for me but also loved the coffin match and (surprisingly) Jericho vs Ospreay.
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Old 08-27-2023, 06:54 PM   #133
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Punk won and The Elite lost back to back, all is well
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Old 08-27-2023, 06:55 PM   #135
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except for Tony Khan for leaving off Ricky Starks
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would have cut the omega and bucks matches and had Starks wrestle instead
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The Elite think they are nice, humble guys “putting over” other guys at WankerMania. It’s all a political play. Mox and Jericho did the same thing.
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Tony confirmed a WrestleDream PPV for October 1st in Seattle. Apparently another NJPW influenced PPV.

Definitely seems the rumors about Warner wanting monthly PPVs is true.
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Tony Khan needs more money too. Hence why he charges for ROH and the existence of Collision at all.
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It’s not like they use the scant number of PPVs to actually build. But more will probably make everything feel even more exhausted.
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WrestleDream isn’t a horrible name for a Japanese PPV, but I feel like I’ve heard it before somewhere.
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AEW’s New Japan integration has largely sucked so far. Look forward to more Japanese guys coming out as Excalibur screams about them as if you care.
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The Elite think they are nice, humble guys “putting over” other guys at WankerMania. It’s all a political play. Mox and Jericho did the same thing.
Elite did it because they got monster new contracts, getting paid buckets of cash to play wrestler with their friends, and that is all that matters to them.
Mox didnt put over anybody, sounds like he just bled like always, and that is all that matters to him.
Jericho is a vampire, even with the loss Jericho got the rub, and that is all that matters to him.
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SOOO AEW is just straight lying about their attendance? They are becoming more and more what they despised.
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SOOO AEW is just straight lying about their attendance? They are becoming more and more what they despised.
I think Wembley can seat 90k for football/soccer so that looks about right for 81k, guessing this might have been during kick off too when people were still filing in
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I think Wembley can seat 90k for football/soccer so that looks about right for 81k, guessing this might have been during kick off too when people were still filing in
That is the main event, many empty seats.
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Just finished watching, really enjoyable show but the main event ran a little long for me. The shenanigans got a bit tired near the end but the idea of them out heeling one another was a fun change of pace and the crowd seemed to love it.

Stings entrance and just the match in general was great. Stadium stampede was fun. Loved OC going over, the Mox skewers spot got an actual reaction from me on the couch.

Punk stuff felt flat because there was no way he was losing. FTR vs. Bucks didnt feel like there best outing but still very high quality.

Overall very enjoyable but I wouldn't say it was the best AEW ppv. PPVs just feel long now, I think I'm getting old.
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Meanwhile at NWA 75:
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Yikes... Not sure who you want to win that one for the good of your company tbh.
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The Elite think they are nice, humble guys “putting over” other guys at WankerMania. It’s all a political play. Mox and Jericho did the same thing.
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Elite did it because they got monster new contracts, getting paid buckets of cash to play wrestler with their friends, and that is all that matters to them.
Mox didnt put over anybody, sounds like he just bled like always, and that is all that matters to him.
Jericho is a vampire, even with the loss Jericho got the rub, and that is all that matters to him.
All of this.

Also, short aside about the Punk/Perry stuff - funny how folks' hate boner for CM Punk is preventing them from seeing that Jack wanted to do take an unneccessary risk, was told no, and then be made out to be "the reasonable one" for referring to the dumb shit he wanted to do. Glass sounds like no big deal, but that one Goldberg incident would be a thing people barely remember about late-stage WCW if it weren't for the fact that he non-exaggeratedly almost bled to death from something as simple as punching a car window out. Made for a "moment" on TV, and it didn't look stupid and bad in the "moment", but again, that one thing could have literally killed the man, and he could have achieved the same end doing something else to express anger on TV for those few seconds. And even after, if a guy made a mission statement of a very antagonistic "if you have a problem with me, come see me", and then you proceed to go see him, I'm not understanding how this makes him "a baby". He put that out front and folks are coming to him to test the theory.

An overall problem bigger than those two, however, is that it's going to take one very avoidable injury to derail the gravy train. Surprisingly, it wasn't Matt Hardy's mid-match concussion where they continued, or the sloppy matches with unfortunately broken ladders or tables (and I mean broken tables in the sense that the legs don't work right for placement co-operation). Not even counting the very stupid shit like random plywood boards with barbed wire stapled to it, because at least chairs or tables are a thing that would otherwise exist in the world instead of being under the ring specifically for a contrived spot in one match.

My point is: the bill comes due.

Someone is going to get brain damaged, Droz'd, or unfortunately killed, and then there will be the "why didn't somebody try to stop them from [x fucked up spot]??" The answer will either be CM Punk tried to, but we don't like him, or that one of the other vets around like Jim Ross suggested they do otherwise, but we just don't listen to the old guy because we're young and invincible and more exiting than they ever were.

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Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

I don't specifically mean Tyrus and EC3, but kinda... I mean NWA in general. They went from "MUST SEE" to "Huh? They're still around??" in a very short timeframe. And the backlash about Tyrus being champion felt less like heel heat and more like a final straw.
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I dont remember Wrestlemania 3 crowd looking like this...



Black Tarps and Empty Seats all over, but totally 81,000 people

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Oh I forgot to add, I really didn’t enjoy Juice Robertson when he first came to AEW but he’s really growing on me.

The Guns look more credible beside him and Jay, overall quite like the group despite myself.
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I dont remember Wrestlemania 3 crowd looking like this...



Black Tarps and Empty Seats all over, but totally 81,000 people

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Looks like a lot of tickets didn’t get picked up on the secondary market and/or some comps weren’t collected on.
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Can we talk about how Jack Perry is CM Punk’s Jungle Boy?
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Oh I forgot to add, I really didn’t enjoy Juice Robertson when he first came to AEW but he’s really growing on me.
Being completely fair, he's come off as a scrub for quite awhile before "finding himself" in Japan. This is including his very forgettable NXT run, which culminated with him "going on strike" (kayfabe), and getting squashed by the then debuting Sami Callihan. Being WWE developmental, of course, neither of the two used their recognized names.

He toiled in the indies and RoH for awhile, but then veered toward Japan. Ironically, the same could be said for his partner in Jay White, as Jay was pretty bland in RoH before he ended up becoming groomed to become the NJPW heir apparent gaijin heel. And while what makes Jay... well, King Switch hasn't exactly translated stateside much as of yet, Juice Robinson is oozing that intangible that was missing from him in Connecticut (by way of Florida) about a decade previous.
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Show overall was "fine". This gave me WWE in Saudi Arabia vibes. A "big" show where they brought out a couple of extra flips, kicking out of finishers and some title changes but nothing major happened. What will this show be remembered for? First time overseas? Crowd size? Probably nothing to do with anything that actually happened on it. Pretty forgettable but there wasn't anything terrible about it.

We have to remember it wasn't until a matter of months ago that this was announced so its not like this show had been in the long term plans. Kudos for pulling it off and NOW putting it as a thing in long term plans. Ultimately we can judge it after All Out when we see how they used two PPVs in such close proximity to each other.

Also, what Tom Guycott said about the Punk/Perry incident. Although I wish it wasn't always Punk involved, Tony Khan never gets involved like this because he wants to be friends with everyone. Say what you want about Vince, but he squashes acting out like Perry is doing or has some stooge like a Laurenitis do it for him. Either way, its well known who's in charge and he isn't to be fucked with. We haven't seen that in AEW and someone has to be that dick as TG pointed out in his post.
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This was a great show! Really, I'm not an "AEW guy" or anything, but this show was really enjoyable. I think the crowd being super hot for it really adds so much to an event. The crowd were on fire, and honestly, it just looked amazing to see an American promotion which isn't WWE, perform to such a huge audience. It really gave it a "big" feel, and gives AEW a level we've not seen in a secondary promotion since the WCW days.

Yeah, the overabundance of multi-man matches and endless kick-outs etc does wear a bit thin, but I didn't really mind all that much. Just got to remember that this ISN'T WWE, and so just enjoy the differences.

It's weird, that wrestling may not be getting the "ratings" it used to (if ratings even exist/matter) anymore, but it honestly feels like we're in another boom period for wrestling, we just never realised it.

Well done AEW. Let's hope they can continue building upon each success.
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Some people will just hate AEW for the sake of it. AEW put on a better show than anyone expected.

The main event storytelling was absolute gold- it got me tearing up. Loved it!

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Show overall was "fine". This gave me WWE in Saudi Arabia vibes. A "big" show where they brought out a couple of extra flips, kicking out of finishers and some title changes but nothing major happened. What will this show be remembered for? First time overseas? Crowd size? Probably nothing to do with anything that actually happened on it. Pretty forgettable but there wasn't anything terrible about it.

We have to remember it wasn't until a matter of months ago that this was announced so its not like this show had been in the long term plans. Kudos for pulling it off and NOW putting it as a thing in long term plans. Ultimately we can judge it after All Out when we see how they used two PPVs in such close proximity to each other.

Also, what Tom Guycott said about the Punk/Perry incident. Although I wish it wasn't always Punk involved, Tony Khan never gets involved like this because he wants to be friends with everyone. Say what you want about Vince, but he squashes acting out like Perry is doing or has some stooge like a Laurenitis do it for him. Either way, its well known who's in charge and he isn't to be fucked with. We haven't seen that in AEW and someone has to be that dick as TG pointed out in his post.
It’s going to be remembered for the skewered narratives and myths around it. The show itself was inconsequential. It’s already forgotten. But we’ll hear Dave Meltzer talk about what a great success this was forever and a day.
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