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Old 09-05-2023, 06:32 PM   #361
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I can get on board with a CM Punk WWE run!
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Old 09-05-2023, 07:54 PM   #362
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Old 09-05-2023, 11:14 PM   #363
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I suspect a lot of these Punk stories will be minor or tiny non-incidents blown up to make headlines.
That's mostly been the case already. But it is pretty funny how this went from a simple front facelock to him being a raging lunatic who nearly murdered the 18 people just standing around before turning the fireaxe he was brandishing at Tony Khan. Even playing The Telephone Game, that's some pretty bad fucking storytelling. Outside of the sheer "newz" magnet any mention of Punk always is, you'd think that would have been the instant story if most of it were true and he'd have been fired immediately on the spot instead of having an investigation that the person who called for the investigation was supposedly a firsthand eyewitness.

Just smells like a setup. Sure, shame on him for falling for it, but at the same time the thing I said before still applies: if Punk did/said nothing, "he's a bitch", if Punk did/said *anything*, "he's a cancer". There was no winning here, and he's always been a guy who admittedly will die on his chosen hill.

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The Regal stuff does feel slightly revealing only in the sense that it feels like pretty much everything else he does, his respect for veterans is conditional.

It's like so many of his gestures of generosity and friendship, they're all extremely transactional, and feel as much about making someone feel they now owe him loyalty. Samoa Joe's cryptic Tweet the other day kinda alludes to that too.

Bret Hart, Harley Race, and Roddy Piper are the vets Punk often talks up the most in terms of guys he respects and admires. Wonder how much he'd talk them up if they hadn't told him they liked him.
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Punk likes to have glory he can downplay, but I don’t know why people expect him to talk people who don’t like him. Or why his like of vets should be unconditional. There are very weird expectations put on him.
Meanwhile, remember that whole story about Omega not really being a fan of Harley Race because he basically believed he was better than he was percieved at some wrestling camp and Harley didn't think so? Pretty sure that The Elite's opinion of the legend would be different if he didn't group Kenny with the beginners and decided to blow him instead.

A lot of relationships in the business are conditional. Goes with that old adage of "You can make friends or make money". And while this type of one-sided selfishness is repeatedly brought up to be some sort of knock on Punk, it somehow never gets brought up about a particular sub-par tag team that needs to keep reminding everyone how *they* started AEW and it's *their* revolution. They, or folks associated with them, don't need to listen to or take advice. All their ideas are good ideas. A match isn't a good match unless there's at least one dive in it. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

They already didn't like the man from the outset because the RUMOR OF HIM sold a building they were proud of their (OG) ALL IN plaque being posted on outside. You'd think they were playing up being heels to lead to business with the smarm and passive-aggressive, snide comments, but they weren't going that deep. How dare he be a bigger star than us in our own company.
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Old 09-05-2023, 11:38 PM   #364
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I dont see any reason WWE would want him. He already blew his big return to wrestling after 7 years away. If he was THAT miserable being able to do whatever he wanted, how long would it be when he has to do what Triple H or Bruce Prichard are telling him what to do.

With the merger though who knows. Dana White has more power than Triple H. Nick Khan is all about business and would certainly approve it he could get WWE a pepsi sponsorship match out of it, and the one thing Vince has seemed to keep his hands off is who is on the roster after he was ousted. Maybe all that would lead to WWE kicking the tires, but I still don't know why they would want to introduce him into their locker room.
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Old 09-05-2023, 11:46 PM   #365
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I just hope Tony felt safe today, wherever he was.
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Old 09-05-2023, 11:55 PM   #366
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I don't get this whole idea that anyone in this situation had to make nice and attend any sort of meeting. A way forward was seemingly found that kept all parties somewhat happy and from that point surely it was moot.

Since the incident at the press conference the Elite have kept quiet from what I have seen. Not a word out of Hangman or Omega (until Omegas Pepsi bit the other day) and the Bucks have been pretty low key as well. Punk meanwhile went into business for himself (off air) post show on Hangman, the very thing that apparently started this whole beef when Hangman did it.

If you trace this right back to the start it feels like a probably poor judgement call by Hangman in his promo led to a pretty unfortunate set of circumstances at the PPV post match probably exacerbated by Punk being pissed off about his injury and since then it kind of feels like Punk shadow boxing the world.

To this day I don't even think Hangmans promo was that out of line. If the answer to all of this now is "Shut up, get over it and make money" why wasn't that the answer back then when it was on Punk to be the bigger man? I remember hearing Hangmans promo and thinking it was solid work building things between the two of them.

I was watching Young Rock the other night and couldn't help but Imagine the internet explosion if Rocks refusal to work HBK came out in the full on internet era, that would have been immense.
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whole thing is a fuckin mess and most of it should have been cleaned up last year
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Tony Khan should have told The Elite, CM Punk, Ace Steele, Punk's Dog...
you all sit down and sort this out now and move on and make money or ABSOLUTELY NONE of you come back into the fold.
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Ok, this is trolling.
I actually wasn't.

How can Tony Khan be involved in the same incident as Jack Perry where everyone is in the room is in fear of their life except for the one person CM Punk is explicitly targeting? (Jack Perry) Makes no fucking sense.

And

The Elite literally ignored him for a year and let CM Punk just hang himself with the long rope that Tony Khan gave him. And CM Punk did hang himself with whoever he could find and since he couldn't find The Elite he found someone else.
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I guess the US is pretty fucked, but over here EVPs avoiding professional discussions and mediation would be HEAVILY frowned upon. That looks a lot like discrimination.
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(1)I don't get this whole idea that anyone in this situation had to make nice and attend any sort of meeting. A way forward was seemingly found that kept all parties somewhat happy and from that point surely it was moot.

(3)Since the incident at the press conference the Elite have kept quiet from what I have seen. Not a word out of Hangman or Omega (until Omegas Pepsi bit the other day) and the Bucks have been pretty low key as well. Punk meanwhile went into business for himself (off air) post show on Hangman, the very thing that apparently started this whole beef when Hangman did it.

If you trace this right back to the start it feels like a probably poor judgement call by Hangman in his promo led to a pretty unfortunate set of circumstances at the PPV post match probably exacerbated by Punk being pissed off about his injury and since then it kind of feels like Punk shadow boxing the world.

(2)To this day I don't even think Hangmans promo was that out of line. If the answer to all of this now is "Shut up, get over it and make money" why wasn't that the answer back then when it was on Punk to be the bigger man? I remember hearing Hangmans promo and thinking it was solid work building things between the two of them.

I was watching Young Rock the other night and couldn't help but Imagine the internet explosion if Rocks refusal to work HBK came out in the full on internet era, that would have been immense.
(1) The idea is that whatever the issues were between the factions could be aired out rather than letting fester or allowing the rumor mill to run at high gear. Apparently, the only person at any point who supposedly at least tried to bridge the gap on a personal level and should be credited was Kenny.

(2) Between Hangman's promo, the idea running rampant about Punk "keeping Colt Cabana off TV" or "trying to get him fired" or both when the company was already basically barely using him as it was (hell, I personally thought they were ghosting him like Chavo Guerrero said Tony ghosted him), and anything else about snide asides and cast aspersions have been there since he showed up.

(3) You can be "low key" and still be the asshole. The BTE recorded the night CM Punk came in was full of eye rolling and jerking themselves off. At the time, you wanted to give the benefit of the doubt that it was them "working". But bookended with the "victory lap" and sprinkled with the passive-aggressive shit in between. The guy already doesn't like the idea of being disrespected, so you turn around and poke fun of him multiple times in a match - when he isn't there, mind you. Or cover him up on the truck - again, when he isn't there.

I believe there was a comment made by Hangman at one point where he basically said CM Punk "isn't the angel here"... but the problem is that does a lot of implication that the other side - his side - were the angles. And as much as I'm on Punk's side on this whole mess, there were no angles. You can't say everything is all this one guy's fault when there's way too much stacked against him to begin with. There is no reason why a bunch of guys should act pissy and jealous that one guy is a bigger star even to the niche they created for themselves. And as much as there always seems to be the burden placed on "Phil should be the bigger/better/calmer man", no such caveats or burderns seem to be placed at the feet of the self-proclaimed "new four horsemen" or anyone who is their close personal friend or even in their immediate professional orbit.
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And as much as there always seems to be the burden placed on "Phil should be the bigger/better/calmer man", no such caveats or burderns seem to be placed at the feet of the self-proclaimed "new four horsemen" or anyone who is their close personal friend or even in their immediate professional orbit.
Yep.

And everyone is all "WELL PUNK ASSAULTED THE BUCKS WHY SHOULD THEY TALK TO HIM."

Well, first, they busted into his dressing room. Second, this is pro wrassling. It's a sports environment. Motherfuckers get slapped and knocked around behind the scenes. A lot of testosterone. A lot of butting heads. I don't necessarily condone it 100%. But this is what happens. We've heard about these fights in the WWE. Hell, Jericho was lauded for snapping on a front facelock and neutralizing Goldberg. He also almost fought Brock at Gorilla.

Let's then not ignore the fact that Bob Holly beat the shit out of people in the ring and backstage. JBL too. But we celebrate them.

I'm not about full-on bullying but I'd say Punk and Steele taking on the Bucks and Omega at once isn't really bullying. It's a brouhaha.

And since these guys are pro wrestlers, and they're EVPs, they shoulda sat down and hashed it out. But they're a bunch of sly, passive-aggressive cowards who've already hit their popularity ceiling.
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I just look at any sporting environment. Guys get in scraps behind the scenes.

Of course, sometimes disciplinary measures are taken. Often, they're not. In fact, if guys are on the same team, they tend to hash things out. I've been in similar situations during practice. Tempers flared, forearms were thrown. We apologized and moved on.
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Punk threw his best friend under the bus during the legal battle with Dr. Amann. He’s probably one of the most pettiest and unreliable people in the industry. That press conference just exposed him (and TK) even further. The man just lives on inhaling the fumes of the bridges he’s burned.
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I just look at any sporting environment. Guys get in scraps behind the scenes.

Of course, sometimes disciplinary measures are taken. Often, they're not. In fact, if guys are on the same team, they tend to hash things out. I've been in similar situations during practice. Tempers flared, forearms were thrown. We apologized and moved on.
That's a great point Dale. You apologized and moved on. You solved the problem by doing 2 things Punk will never ever do. Good job.
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I just hope Punk feels safe tonight, wherever he is.
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That's a great point Dale. You apologized and moved on. You solved the problem by doing 2 things Punk will never ever do. Good job.
Nah I secretly harboured a grudge then down the line told my coach he was a stooge.
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Surprised Phil hasn't gone through his twitter feed to purge embarrassing tweets yet...
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Punk threw his best friend under the bus during the legal battle with Dr. Amann. He’s probably one of the most pettiest and unreliable people in the industry. That press conference just exposed him (and TK) even further. The man just lives on inhaling the fumes of the bridges he’s burned.
You forgot the reason Punk did that! WWE was in town, and Colt Cabana went and had pizza with 2 guys he worked in ROH with, Kevin Steen and El Generico. To Punk, that was unforgivable.
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Yep.

And everyone is all "WELL PUNK ASSAULTED THE BUCKS WHY SHOULD THEY TALK TO HIM."

Well, first, they busted into his dressing room. Second, this is pro wrassling. It's a sports environment. Motherfuckers get slapped and knocked around behind the scenes. A lot of testosterone. A lot of butting heads. I don't necessarily condone it 100%. But this is what happens. We've heard about these fights in the WWE. Hell, Jericho was lauded for snapping on a front facelock and neutralizing Goldberg. He also almost fought Brock at Gorilla.

Let's then not ignore the fact that Bob Holly beat the shit out of people in the ring and backstage. JBL too. But we celebrate them.

I'm not about full-on bullying but I'd say Punk and Steele taking on the Bucks and Omega at once isn't really bullying. It's a brouhaha.

And since these guys are pro wrestlers, and they're EVPs, they shoulda sat down and hashed it out. But they're a bunch of sly, passive-aggressive cowards who've already hit their popularity ceiling.
People don’t get how serious the bursting into a personal locker room is. People justified it because they allegedly had Megha Parehk with them. That could be interpreted as breach of contract right there, ESPECIALLY if you have legal with you.

Buck fans want to say Punk “asked for it” by saying come to his dressing room. He actually said confront him in the hallways, but comprehension ain’t their strong suit. Still, they wanted a fight with him then…got upset when they got one? Sounds like they bought into the “guy sucks at UFC, probably couldn’t whoop me” line and got clowned for it. Lots of hurt pride.

You move on from that. The more credible sources covering this stuff seems to suggest Punk has been the more mature party. He’s also not the one with the EVP title. That the digs, passive aggression, avoidance and general bullshit didn’t stop is on Tony Khan and The Elite being shitty people for their roles.
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I’d be embarrassed if I tweeted that too, because those goofs have always sucked, but that just shows how far they’ve fallen once Punk actually worked with them.
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You forgot the reason Punk did that! WWE was in town, and Colt Cabana went and had pizza with 2 guys he worked in ROH with, Kevin Steen and El Generico. To Punk, that was unforgivable.
Interesting. Since he wants to work with Steen now.
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I can't ever fucking sleep. I also can't stop eating peanut butter. Chunky is for creeps.

I watched Kobashi/sasaki tonight, and i'm really getting a chip on my shoulder in regards to fans that try to dictate what's a good match based on selling or no selling. Christ, I hate even typing those words, since liking or disliking a match is so subjective. However, the chop battle between the two in my mind was nothing short of awesome. Do I really have to explain two of Japanese biggest stars, one on his home turf, and one still in the midst of an amazing comeback year not wanting to back down? It's hard for me to sit here and not totally freak out and say outlandish things like, "if you've never been in a ring, you have no right to critique", but once again, as fans, most have the right to speak their minds. It is america afterall, eh?

Chops are chops. Wrestling to me is about drama and story telling. Truthfully, what I didn't like about the match was the half-nelson suplexes. I can see an arguement for that, but chops? Holy hell, listen to me. I'm in need of sleep, and can't sleep, so i'm babbling about a match that took place on forgien soil.

Fuck it, I hate everybody that hated that match. I'm going to no sell your mother giving birth to you.

Minoru Suzuki is my hero, i'm going to steal his hair.

Up yours for being able to sleep.

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I can't ever fucking sleep. I also can't stop eating peanut butter. Chunky is for creeps.

I watched Kobashi/sasaki tonight, and i'm really getting a chip on my shoulder in regards to fans that try to dictate what's a good match based on selling or no selling. Christ, I hate even typing those words, since liking or disliking a match is so subjective. However, the chop battle between the two in my mind was nothing short of awesome. Do I really have to explain two of Japanese biggest stars, one on his home turf, and one still in the midst of an amazing comeback year not wanting to back down? It's hard for me to sit here and not totally freak out and say outlandish things like, "if you've never been in a ring, you have no right to critique", but once again, as fans, most have the right to speak their minds. It is america afterall, eh?

Chops are chops. Wrestling to me is about drama and story telling. Truthfully, what I didn't like about the match was the half-nelson suplexes. I can see an arguement for that, but chops? Holy hell, listen to me. I'm in need of sleep, and can't sleep, so i'm babbling about a match that took place on forgien soil.

Fuck it, I hate everybody that hated that match. I'm going to no sell your mother giving birth to you.

Minoru Suzuki is my hero, i'm going to steal his hair.

Up yours for being able to sleep.

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You mention the Kobashi/Sasaki chop war, but it was more than just chops. It was also the interaction between the chops. Another of these chop wars lack the stuff in between. It's just folks trading strikes and it's colder than the Ice King's balls. Same reason why Suzuki's strike exchanges are so good (and wasn't even the best part of what he did best.) It's the terrifying laugh, it's how measures right before he lands.
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I can't ever fucking sleep. I also can't stop eating peanut butter. Chunky is for creeps.

I watched Kobashi/sasaki tonight, and i'm really getting a chip on my shoulder in regards to fans that try to dictate what's a good match based on selling or no selling. Christ, I hate even typing those words, since liking or disliking a match is so subjective. However, the chop battle between the two in my mind was nothing short of awesome. Do I really have to explain two of Japanese biggest stars, one on his home turf, and one still in the midst of an amazing comeback year not wanting to back down? It's hard for me to sit here and not totally freak out and say outlandish things like, "if you've never been in a ring, you have no right to critique", but once again, as fans, most have the right to speak their minds. It is america afterall, eh?

Chops are chops. Wrestling to me is about drama and story telling. Truthfully, what I didn't like about the match was the half-nelson suplexes. I can see an arguement for that, but chops? Holy hell, listen to me. I'm in need of sleep, and can't sleep, so i'm babbling about a match that took place on forgien soil.

Fuck it, I hate everybody that hated that match. I'm going to no sell your mother giving birth to you.

Minoru Suzuki is my hero, i'm going to steal his hair.

Up yours for being able to sleep.

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To help stick to my silly diet of only 80 carbs a day, today and yesterday I went straight to the movie theatre that's next to my gym following my workout. It's too hot for anything else really, so sitting at the movies is great. I may or many not have fallen asleep. I saw a movie which I liked, and today was wedding crashers, which I recommend. Tomorrow, it's either War of the Worlds, or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Friday is the Devils Rejects, and i'm damn excited. It'll help put off throwing my ridiculous amount of shirts into garbage bags, and trying to stuff all my dvds in my car for my trip on Sunday.

The Barbiehead suggests maybe putting shirts I don't wear on Ebay, in hopes that scary goth girls will buy them. I don't think that would would. But if you're a scary goth girl, and you're interested in maybe purchasing a Supreme Lee Great shirt i've never worn, let me know...

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I’d be embarrassed if I tweeted that too, because those goofs have always sucked, but that just shows how far they’ve fallen once Punk actually worked with them.
Though I get the idea of this aging like milk, 2016 as a whole has a different context than 2023. There are people I prob'ly supported back then that I don't now, and unfortunately this includes the Bucks.

Posting this like it means something as opposed to, say, if he posted this right before coming into AEW is akin to trying to "out" someone as an Elon fanboy for buying into his bullshit image back when the world at large also bought into his bullshit image of being this aloof visionary genius scientist as opposed to a more recent timeframe where he constantly does things himself to tank his own image and reveal himself as a perpetual grifter, but gets the luxury of remaining a shithead because of his vast wealth.
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