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Old 12-02-2018, 09:08 PM   #1
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Women's Revolution is the reason behind the downfall of RAW

Back in the day, There used to be just one off women's segment or a wrestling match and we used to get get bikini contests and raunchy matches. Now we have at least 3 different segments for women with each being worse than the other. Like last RAW had 3 women's matches/segments and it was one of the worst RAWs in the recent history. Rather than having 3 women's segment we could have a lot more talent being used who are being drowned down the order on RAW. Most of the 205 wrestlers would pull off better performance than any woman on RAW/SD. Having one women's segment on a RAW could also mean less wastage of time and RAW moving back to 2 hours. I know there are many other reasons as well behind the dwindling of RAW ratings but I think women being overpushed is one of the main reasons. Talented wrestlers like Slater, Apollo, Bray can't appear on RAW but we have talentless trash like Logan, Natalya, Dana Brooke, Facebreaker, Daughter of murderer and Annoying Fox appearing on RAW.

These opinions are mine and you are free to try to change my mind.
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Old 12-03-2018, 09:53 AM   #2
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Ha! 205 guys that get crickets every week

All the women get better crowd reaction than them.
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Old 12-03-2018, 01:24 PM   #3
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I disagree, the writing staff is the reason. The men and the women, even if they dumb luck into an interesting character, they go out of their way to bury that character because writing is hard.
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Old 12-03-2018, 01:29 PM   #4
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And SmackDown is praised despite being headlined the last 2 months with Becky/Charlotte...umm..sure
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Some of the women's segments surely don't help. A lot of the stuff Alexa, Bayley, The Riott Squad and Natalya does sounds especially horrible. But it's a problem with the whole show. They don't have stars, or even guys who can fully work. It's a company full of melodramatic soap opera actors/mid-carders.
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:06 PM   #6
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If Lynch is such a huge superstar then why SD's rating is worse than RAW?
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:18 PM   #7
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It's a valid point.
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Probably has a lot to do with WWE treating SmackDown as a “b show” since it’s inception.
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But SD has worst ratings ever atm. Even lower during Jinder's reign of error that means Jinder is a bigger superstar than Lynch
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How much more is Mahal known to the average fan than Lynch?
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Mahal is known to a lot of Indians which is more than enough to become a superstar. India's population is prolly more than US, Canada and UK combined.
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:30 PM   #12
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First of all ratings aren’t as important as they used to be. There are more avenues than ever for watching a product so tv ratings aren’t as accurate a gauge for how any people are following it.

Secondly if anything is driving people away it’s creative. The women are over. It’s the storylines and segments they are put in that are shit. It’s no different than the men. It’s the nature of WWE. They don’t have to please fans. They have to please investers. The goal isn’t making compelling television. It’s “how do we tap in to this market, or that market.”
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But SD has worst ratings ever atm. Even lower during Jinder's reign of error that means Jinder is a bigger superstar than Lynch
Lol, I know you're a troll, but you can do so by making valid points and not just blowing them out of the water yourself.

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First of all ratings aren’t as important as they used to be. There are more avenues than ever for watching a product so tv ratings aren’t as accurate a gauge for how any people are following it.

Secondly if anything is driving people away it’s creative. The women are over. It’s the storylines and segments they are put in that are shit. It’s no different than the men. It’s the nature of WWE. They don’t have to please fans. They have to please investers. The goal isn’t making compelling television. It’s “how do we tap in to this market, or that market.”
I hate the "ratings aren't as important as they used to be" argument. If you're on a media platform then how many people access you via that platform is important. It's not the only metric as to how people consume content, but it's an excellent gauge as to how many people consume content through television, which is where WWE are making their money. If people stop watching SmackDown on television then they've got a problem.

It's partly creative, but it's also the talent. Everyone is so robotic, and it's not just because they are scripted. It's partially because they have sponsors to suck up to. It's partially because they've all been trained a similar way and told to value the same spots and style. It's partially because there's an emphasis on performing moves and not sucking in people emotionally to the work. Some of the women are over with their crowd, but others just aren't. And some are, frankly, shit. It is largely the same with the men -- on the main philosophical level anyway -- but generally the men aren't nearly as inexperienced and rushed up to the main roster because of their ass as the women are. But yes, they don't have to please fans right now.
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Definitely not the woman, it’s the writing. I stupidly complained when erratic stories went nowhere in the end of fizzed out, but I didn’t know how good I had it. Now it’s just so boring and repetitive.

Last years of WCW were a mess but they were way more entertaining than RAW nowadays. It’s nothing
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Lol, I know you're a troll, but you can do so by making valid points and not just blowing them out of the water yourself.



I hate the "ratings aren't as important as they used to be" argument. If you're on a media platform then how many people access you via that platform is important. It's not the only metric as to how people consume content, but it's an excellent gauge as to how many people consume content through television, which is where WWE are making their money. If people stop watching SmackDown on television then they've got a problem.

It's partly creative, but it's also the talent. Everyone is so robotic, and it's not just because they are scripted. It's partially because they have sponsors to suck up to. It's partially because they've all been trained a similar way and told to value the same spots and style. It's partially because there's an emphasis on performing moves and not sucking in people emotionally to the work. Some of the women are over with their crowd, but others just aren't. And some are, frankly, shit. It is largely the same with the men -- on the main philosophical level anyway -- but generally the men aren't nearly as inexperienced and rushed up to the main roster because of their ass as the women are. But yes, they don't have to please fans right now.
According to former creative head Tommy Casiello it's the demos WWE pays attention to most and that seems to be corroborated by some things I've read recently.
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Again my question is that if Lynch is such a big superstar, why the ratings of SDL are so low? Back in the day when Stone Cold and Rock used to bring up ratings no matter how shitty the writing and storylines were. Even Cena used to bring more ratings than the so called The Man.
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Because she’s not as big of a star as Austin or Cena. No one is saying she is.

Also, there’s always been bad writing. But it’s never been this boring or void of genuine emotion.
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Because she’s not as big of a star as Austin or Cena. No one is saying she is.

Also, there’s always been bad writing. But it’s never been this boring or void of genuine emotion.
To be fair nobody on the roster is and that's pretty much by design.
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According to former creative head Tommy Casiello it's the demos WWE pays attention to most and that seems to be corroborated by some things I've read recently.
I'm not talking about what WWE pays attention to; I'm talking about what is actually important. They suck in the demos they try to appeal to too.

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Again my question is that if Lynch is such a big superstar, why the ratings of SDL are so low? Back in the day when Stone Cold and Rock used to bring up ratings no matter how shitty the writing and storylines were. Even Cena used to bring more ratings than the so called The Man.
Again, there's a valid point to this. It's like when people try to tell me that Braun Strowman is over. With who? It's certainly not the television audience, because they aren't tuning in to watch him. Lynch is over with live crowds and the internet. She's not at the point where she can be said to draw though. It's false to put it on a Rock/Austin scale, and it would be worth a shot if they had more people to play off, but our crowd has the tendency to overrate something's actual worth because we're in an echo chamber of praise for an act.

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To be fair nobody on the roster is and that's pretty much by design.
That's true, but even if it weren't, I'd worry about the current crop of talent's ability to get genuinely over. Just listen to what Xavier Woods was saying the other day. A lot of them think the stuff they do is genuinely good shit.
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double no.

It's mostly on Vince. He needs to fuck outta creative and go concentrate on his XFL that will once again fail.
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"Facebreaker" would be Ruby Riott, would it not?

Also, from now on, please refer to "Dana Brooke" as "River Trout".
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Looks like it's been broke a few times, if she fell forward she's strike oil with that nose.
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I don't think it's the sole reason but it plays a big role. The product has been garbage for years. Even pre Roman Reigns it was this bad at times. The women are being pushed too hard, but tbh, nothing else is very good right now why not run with the chicks?
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Braun hasn't been on the show but only the monster can carry the show so far. Also SD has a lot of the star power. Miz, Orton, Mysterio, Hardy, Bryan, AJ and Joe and Big show.
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I think the played out authority figure storyline along with pushing someone who just isn't good enough way too high (Cena, Reigns) was the downfall.
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