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Old 09-22-2017, 05:58 AM   #41
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She's got the Nerd cosplay cred, & she's a sarcastic heel. That's 2 automatic byes right there - I'd like to see the IWCs feelings on her if she was any sort of Face character
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Old 09-22-2017, 09:47 AM   #42
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No idea if Bliss will be a good face but does that matter? Does anyone think Miz is bad because he is only amazing as a heel and not a face?
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Old 09-23-2017, 01:23 AM   #43
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Lol. Miz. Amazing. Righto.
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Old 09-23-2017, 07:38 AM   #44
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:09 AM   #45
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Still find it weird Noid watches WWE still.
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Old 09-23-2017, 09:36 AM   #46
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You just aren't as good at watching wrestling as him, Ruien.
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Old 09-23-2017, 06:41 PM   #47
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How is that even hating? You, of all people, who had the big whinge about people having subjective tastes, can't handle someone not rating someone "amazing?"

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Old 09-24-2017, 09:54 AM   #48
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How is that even hating? You, of all people, who had the big whinge about people having subjective tastes, can't handle someone not rating someone "amazing?"

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it's not that you don't find him amazing, it's your tone. I don't find him amazing either, but I don't go and take a shit on someone who thinks he is lol.
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Old 09-24-2017, 10:44 AM   #49
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Alexa Bliss is on there because she is hot guys. Would be nice to think everyone has evolved and her wrestling talents are just more appreciated than the other females. But she is on there because she is hot and people like looking at her.

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Old 09-24-2017, 11:35 AM   #52
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Alexa Bliss is on there because she is hot guys. Would be nice to think everyone has evolved and her wrestling talents are just more appreciated than the other females. But she is on there because she is hot and people like looking at her.

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It's more than that. Sasha and Emma have her beat in the looks department. Her charisma puts her over those 2 though.
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Old 09-24-2017, 11:49 AM   #54
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I don't think Sasha or Emma have her beat in the looks department, especially not in a traditionally sense. The Sable/Sunny/Trish hot blonde has always been a draw.

She has the cute factor from being smaller too. Charisma might mean she has featured more than Emma on TV, but I really think looks accounts for 90% of it.
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Old 09-24-2017, 11:51 AM   #55
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Really? Emma is like a 15 out of 10.
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You could argue that cosplaying into those "nerdy" characters is just emphasising the look and physical attraction factor. A hot girl dressed as Harley Quinn, yeah I will watch that video/look at that insta etc...
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Also, going by she must be a blond (lol) logic, explain Mayrse not being number 1.
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Really? Emma is like a 15 out of 10.
I guess it's personal taste, I find Asuka really hot for example, but Emma's charisma is at absolute zero from what I have seen.

I would argue that she could be massive too if she had even a little something about her. She seems to be devoid of a personality from whenever I have seen her though.

So yeah, you have to have SOMETHING to work with, anything..
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If looks in 90% of the reason then it wouldn't matter.
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Sable had no real charisma and looked like she didn't want to be there half the time.

Trish is massively overrated as a performer imo.

Charisma does play in, but I still feel, with woman, that being hot is a lot more important.

I wouldn't say that Charlotte, Becky, Sascha, Bailey, Nia etc... are hot in the traditional sense that appeals to the masses.

Alexa Bliss has that look that has traditionally been very popular, and that matters more than anything else in woman's wrestling.

Roman Reigns is proof that is matters with the men too
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As for Maryse, she doesn't wrestle, or really do anything apart from stand beside the Miz. She isn't a performer, and when she was, she was champ.

Some of her matches from that time, despite being garbage, have over a million views on YouTube. Wonder why
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Maryse is a performer, just not working matches. Impressive thing is she's not really trained and can still work a match if she's asked, and is a complete heat magnet.
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Yeah, I guess she is still a performer, but when you are not competing and only talking once in a blue moon, you're impact is going to be limited.

The fact she is still a heat magnet is proof that her appearance was always more important than anything else. It's the constant. She is not like a Sherri, always getting involved in matches.

Plus...that accent
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She's almost a heel Liz (I know Liz was heel in WCW but I don't count that bullshit)
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She's almost a heel Liz (I know Liz was heel in WCW but I don't count that bullshit)
Yeah, I would go along with that. Absolutely. She actually came into my head as I was typing that. Never saw heel Liz in WCW...thankfully
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Alexa Bliss is on there because she is hot guys. Would be nice to think everyone has evolved and her wrestling talents are just more appreciated than the other females. But she is on there because she is hot and people like looking at her.

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If you think Ortons looks are a large portion of why he had a successful career I've got some bad news for you
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it's not that you don't find him amazing, it's your tone. I don't find him amazing either, but I don't go and take a shit on someone who thinks he is lol.
You're so sensitive. I don't take a shit on someone who finds him amazing, I take a shit on it as evidence as to how someone can allegedly be amazing when they aren't.

HOW DO YOU STILL NOT GET THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "I LIKE THIS PERSON" AND "THIS PERSON IS OBJECTIVELY REALLY GOOD"?!?!

Maybe caps lock will help you understand this big central point we keep returning to. I don't care if Ruien likes Miz. I could not give one solitary flying fuck. I'm not just going to meditate on that point he raised, because we both know it's not a good one. I scoffed at it like you scoff at anything I post. Glass houses, Dale. #DaleFail
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If you think Ortons looks are a large portion of why he had a successful career I've got some bad news for you
I started a reply, but then I realized that this might have been a typo. Are you saying that Orton's looks haven't been a factor? Because I think they have, lol. Even still, I don't think comparing male talents with female talents in that regard is fair because of the fan base's beard density. Let's face it: The WWE is still a sexist piece of shit company that is mocked regularly for how it treats its women. The "Women's Revolution" is a chance to put the scantily clad women further into the limelight and use softer language about their abilities instead of raving on about how fit they are (which they still do, don't get me wrong).
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If you think Ortons looks are a large portion of why he had a successful career I've got some bad news for you
Of course they have been! Seems daft to think they haven't. He is about the only wrestler in the current roster my wife recognises and a lot of foreign markets are into him because of his look. He is a good looking guy and, much like Reigns, it has helped his success enormously.

As above though, what Noid, it matters quite a bit with the men, but it matters a ton more for the girls.
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Typo, they are a factor
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You're so sensitive. I don't take a shit on someone who finds him amazing, I take a shit on it as evidence as to how someone can allegedly be amazing when they aren't.

HOW DO YOU STILL NOT GET THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "I LIKE THIS PERSON" AND "THIS PERSON IS OBJECTIVELY REALLY GOOD"?!?!

Maybe caps lock will help you understand this big central point we keep returning to. I don't care if Ruien likes Miz. I could not give one solitary flying fuck. I'm not just going to meditate on that point he raised, because we both know it's not a good one. I scoffed at it like you scoff at anything I post. Glass houses, Dale. #DaleFail
Noid I think you've lost the plot brother.
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