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Old 11-05-2021, 08:41 AM   #201
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Cuts are a shitty thing to do IMO (except for the morons who are unvaxxed) but not completely unjustified. A lot of those people shouldn't have been signed in the first place because they were hoarded. Now they can go get over elsewhere. IMO it's a good thing for the most part. With guys like Kross and Lee, it'd have been better if the company didn't devalue them before kicking them to the curb. But whatcha gonna do.

And "bad performance" is pretty subjective in wrestling. Vince could fire anyone on any given day in this iteration of WWE given how paltry ratings are for wrestling as a whole.
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Old 11-05-2021, 10:09 AM   #202
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Izzy’s parent cheering on Lince Dorado’s release. Droford was right all along.
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Old 11-05-2021, 10:34 AM   #203
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It would be so fucked to get signed for a bunch of years… then released a few weeks later haha. That’s so so bizarre.
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Old 11-05-2021, 11:13 AM   #204
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WWE contracts can be ripped up at any time with barely any financial repercussion. It's a very one-sided relationship.
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Old 11-05-2021, 01:44 PM   #205
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lol, Eva Marie is back like 5 minutes. Surprised they released Jax considering who she's related to. Guess that'll be Dwayne telling them to eat a dick when they next want him to appear.

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Their contracts aren't worth the paper theyre written on, surprised supposed "independent contractors" have contracts of any type anyway.

And theyre still claiming these are "budget cuts".
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Old 11-05-2021, 01:53 PM   #206
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That tweet aged well.
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Looking at the roster on wwe dot com and honestly they still probably need to trim another 25-30 wrestlers, roster is still 'too big'...aew also needs to trim their roster as well
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Old 11-05-2021, 02:51 PM   #208
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not wishing anyone out of a paycheck tho either
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Old 11-05-2021, 04:15 PM   #209
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Scarlett Lmaoooo has Vince not seen her?
Vince ixnayed her coming up with Kross, saying she was "too hokey".
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Old 11-05-2021, 04:17 PM   #210
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I’m kinda fascinated by Eva Marie getting cut. Like...Did they not know what they were getting when they brought her back? What did they suddenly decide she didn’t bring to the table? Did someone stand up in a meeting this week while cuts were being discussed and say “I’m just gonna throw this out here. Eva Marie’s skills aren’t quite up to snuff.”?
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Old 11-05-2021, 04:31 PM   #211
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Just had to go dig up a post from an old EWR game in March 2009 where I created a promotion entirely made of 2008/09 WWE releases and ran a Rumble on the first show.

Entry Order
1. Kenny Doane
2. Paul London
3. The Boogeyman
4. Lance Kade
5. Cliff Compton
6. Elijah Burke
7. D'Lo Brown
8. Groundskeeper Robbie
9. Val Venus
10. Bam LaRouche
11. Chuck Palumbo
12. Sinn the Clown
13. Balls Mahoney
14. Armando Castro
15. Dave Taylor
16. Gene Snisky
17. Colt Cabana
18. Trevor Murdock
19. King Nelson
20. Colin Olson
21. Ron Spears
22. James Maritato
23. Afa Jr.
24. Super Crazy
25. Thorn
26. Shannon Moore
27. Groundskeeper Rory
28. Bradley Ryan
29. Bob Howard
30. Chris Harris

I think a 2021 version of this would have way more star power, to say the least
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Old 11-05-2021, 04:41 PM   #212
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I’d take Cliff Compton and Trevor Murdoch over all these clowns.
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Old 11-05-2021, 04:42 PM   #213
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I’m kinda fascinated by Eva Marie getting cut. Like...Did they not know what they were getting when they brought her back? What did they suddenly decide she didn’t bring to the table? Did someone stand up in a meeting this week while cuts were being discussed and say “I’m just gonna throw this out here. Eva Marie’s skills aren’t quite up to snuff.”?

I would also like to know the somewhat-inverse of this....




Who the hell stood up and thought she would bring ANYTHING to the table? That isn't denying that she's eye candy, but they have that already
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Old 11-05-2021, 04:53 PM   #214
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I’m kinda fascinated by Eva Marie getting cut. Like...Did they not know what they were getting when they brought her back? What did they suddenly decide she didn’t bring to the table? Did someone stand up in a meeting this week while cuts were being discussed and say “I’m just gonna throw this out here. Eva Marie’s skills aren’t quite up to snuff.”?
She could have been the top heel of the division easily.
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:39 PM   #215
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I assume that’s what they thought when they brought her back.

What the fuck changed???
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:40 PM   #216
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They watched her performances.
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Was it all just to get Doudrop over?

What the fuck is this company’s mindset???
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:46 PM   #218
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Can't have them know that people wrassled before they got to "E". You shall never say "Piper" and "Niven" in the same sentence.


Did they let Nia go because Piper? Just sayin...
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Old 11-05-2021, 06:13 PM   #219
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lol, Eva Marie is back like 5 minutes. Surprised they released Jax considering who she's related to. Guess that'll be Dwayne telling them to eat a dick when they next want him to appear.



Their contracts aren't worth the paper theyre written on, surprised supposed "independent contractors" have contracts of any type anyway.

And theyre still claiming these are "budget cuts".
contracts are agreements between twop people. both parties argeed to the terms.
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I assume that’s what they thought when they brought her back.

What the fuck changed???
Instead of booking her as a giant chicken shit heel who believed her own delusional hype, we got Doudrop. Have her duck out of matches, fake injuries or hell have Doudrop as your enforcer who wins matches for her. Do the whole Diesel/HBK thing but with a twist. Eva takes all the credit, mistreating Doudrop, acting cocky. Build it to Becky vs Eva in Becky's long awaited return. Eva brings back the Diva's belt. Eva orders Doudrop to take her out. Doudrop finally refuses leaving the lamb to get slaughtered. Becky returns killing this obnoxious asshole, Doudrop becomes a face and Eva comes up with excuses. It's not that hard
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Yeah they pretty much did that angle but condensed it into 3 weeks.
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That's all well and fine but I feel it completely misses something important: Eva has no talent other than standing around looking pretty. Without Doudrop carrying her in that scenario she would do nothing worthwhile in the ring. That only gets worse when Doudrop turns on her and she has no one to carry her. She isn't the worst on the mic ever, but she is still awful so I find it hard to think she would pull off making any of her promos believable. She would just be a female Sami Zayn with at best 1-2% of the talent he has to make it work.

They should have never brought her back in the first place.
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contracts are agreements between twop people. both parties argeed to the terms.
But again, they hold all the power. Until the last 2 years they were “the only game in town”. Making it in WWE was reaching the top of the mountain. Still is. So, yeah, you go in knowing the deal, doesn’t mean it’s not a completely one-sided deal.
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contracts are agreements between twop people. both parties argeed to the terms.
This. You can't say it's unfair that WWE can "break" the contract and not the talent when the whole reason WWE has that ability is because the talent willingly gave them that right when they signed on the dotted line. If you have a problem with the terms of a contract then you either negotiate or you don't sign it and walk away and go somewhere else.
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:02 PM   #227
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If I went to a job interview and they told me "we can fire you at any time but you can't ever quit and when/if we do can you you can't work anywhere else for 3 months" then I would stand up, shake the bosses hand and wish them the best in their future endeavors.
I think now that there’s a viable alternative that’s exactly what more people will do. Would a Will Osprey look at the long list of mishandled guys that were stars in Japan and just think “nah”? There’s still a chance he could be used well, and there will often be a part of you that thinks “that won’t happen to me, I’m good enough to get over regardless”, or that just wants the exposure but I think this will make guys think before they go there. Then again, WWE aren’t interested in signing guys with experience so…
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:03 PM   #228
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Vince ixnayed her coming up with Kross, saying she was "too hokey".
He was entirely right tbf. Could they not just have asked her to tone it down though?
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:04 PM   #229
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minus the lip syncing, i thought she was perfect with kross in nxt. liked her more than him.
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:15 PM   #230
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Instead of booking her as a giant chicken shit heel who believed her own delusional hype, we got Doudrop. Have her duck out of matches, fake injuries or hell have Doudrop as your enforcer who wins matches for her. Do the whole Diesel/HBK thing but with a twist. Eva takes all the credit, mistreating Doudrop, acting cocky. Build it to Becky vs Eva in Becky's long awaited return. Eva brings back the Diva's belt. Eva orders Doudrop to take her out. Doudrop finally refuses leaving the lamb to get slaughtered. Becky returns killing this obnoxious asshole, Doudrop becomes a face and Eva comes up with excuses. It's not that hard
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Yeah they pretty much did that angle but condensed it into 3 weeks.
That’s what I was thinking. They basically rushed through that exact story as quickly as possible and then decided Eva Marie had served her purpose before the audience fucking knew what hit them.

There’s hotshotting and then there’s... THAT.
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:33 PM   #231
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Lol they did everything in 2 weeks
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:46 PM   #232
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I think they seriously had Eva return, introduce Doudrop to wrestle in her place and then have Doudrop be like “Fuck this bitch...” all within 2 weeks. Lol

It may have been 1 week.
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:53 PM   #233
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It was the Miz and Alex Riley's storyline mashed into 1 month.
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Old 11-05-2021, 07:58 PM   #234
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Looking at the roster on wwe dot com and honestly they still probably need to trim another 25-30 wrestlers, roster is still 'too big'...aew also needs to trim their roster as well
yeah i am betting half of the people who signed before the 1st aew show will not be resigned when there contracts come up this and next year.
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:00 PM   #235
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They are meant to be having Gargano and O’Reilly wrestle dark matches for Smackdown. With their contracts running out soon and what has happened to Kross and Lee today and various others before there must be little incentive on them signing a new contract with limited job security.
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:40 PM   #236
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A paycheck?
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:04 PM   #237
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A paycheck?
There is that yes but they would be two people you could see at AEW after their contracts run out.
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Old 11-06-2021, 12:35 AM   #238
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Old 11-06-2021, 03:00 AM   #239
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That's all well and fine but I feel it completely misses something important: Eva has no talent other than standing around looking pretty. Without Doudrop carrying her in that scenario she would do nothing worthwhile in the ring. That only gets worse when Doudrop turns on her and she has no one to carry her. She isn't the worst on the mic ever, but she is still awful so I find it hard to think she would pull off making any of her promos believable. She would just be a female Sami Zayn with at best 1-2% of the talent he has to make it work.

They should have never brought her back in the first place.
Everything you said is what makes gertner's suggested angle work so well.
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contracts are agreements between twop people. both parties argeed to the terms.
And we all know wwe throws the term "independent contractor" about like it holds any weight, it's been a scam of theirs for years they've somehow been allowed to get away with. These days their contracts basically mean they own you yet they still claim performers are independent, the whole twitch channel thing said it all in that respect, wwe wanting a cut of something they shouldn't have been entitled to.

Sooner this gets taken to court and they lose big time the better.
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