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Old 11-19-2021, 12:38 AM   #201
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Sammy Guevara vs Jay Lethal main event up next.... wish they had done something during the show to get me invested in their main event but am just not..... With WWE, even if it is lame, contrived, and cookie cutter.... at least they usually try to do some sort of story reason for their main events of every show.

The very least they could have done is hype it up a bit.... do some video packages... hear from both men during the night.... but nothing....
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Old 11-19-2021, 12:43 AM   #202
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SMH at a "this is wrestling" chant....
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Old 11-19-2021, 12:46 AM   #203
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Glad they stuck with the TNT title match in PIP so we could see the trainers attending to Sammy the whole break (I fast forwarded)
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Old 11-19-2021, 12:47 AM   #204
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Standing Spanish Fly just does not look "good"
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Old 11-19-2021, 12:53 AM   #205
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Good job by Sammy selling that he is super hurt and it taking everything he had to hit his finisher.....
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Old 11-19-2021, 12:53 AM   #206
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Inner Circle should beat up Sammy Guevarra right now
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Old 11-19-2021, 12:58 AM   #207
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Well, that was a "just ok" show as usual....

Only things to encourage me to keep watching:

Mystifying Daniel Bryan heel turn and where that goes
CM Punk vs MJF
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:18 AM   #208
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Well, that was a "just ok" show as usual....

Only things to encourage me to keep watching:

Mystifying Daniel Bryan heel turn and where that goes
CM Punk vs MJF
Wait, are they actually turning Danielson heel already?! Hahahahaha!
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:19 AM   #209
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I thought they were just getting cocky and doing face vs. face. They’re actually turning Danielson heel? Woooooow.
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Old 11-19-2021, 10:12 AM   #210
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Wouldn't be surprised if he goes back face after the feud is over, but yeah was not just "cocky face" but a full fledged turn.
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Old 11-19-2021, 12:10 PM   #211
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How was it a full fledged turn? Seemed more like he was tapping into his old school, aggressive roh persona. He didn't do anything truly despicable or anything.
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:30 PM   #212
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I miss shocking, not-so-subtle heel and face turns in general. When was the last truly great one?
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:31 PM   #213
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Apparently Moxley was planned to win the tournament according to "Andrew Zarian" and he would have turned heel to feud with Hangman Page... so there was a change of plans
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:32 PM   #214
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not sure if it's the last one but rollins turning on the shield maybe? although i can't rightly remember if that was a shock or not? i think it was? fuck how long ago was that now anyway?
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Yeah Rollins turning was a pretty classic old school style turn.

I get there weren’t crowds so it wasn’t going to have maximum effect but how did they not make a “moment” out of Reigns turning heel?
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:41 PM   #216
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not sure if it's the last one but rollins turning on the shield maybe? although i can't rightly remember if that was a shock or not? i think it was? fuck how long ago was that now anyway?



Both the debut and destruction of the shield were in Indy. I was present for both shows and can tell you that the place blew up when Rollins started wailing on them with the chair.


Their "debut" was well received too.... but there were too many people who didn't know who they were, but were more excited at the prospect of some "new people interfering" that would lead to some cool new stuff.
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There have definitely been more since Seth Rollins. No one remembers because no one involved was any where near as over as The Sheild.
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How was it a full fledged turn?
Insulting the town.
Fighting a face and refusing to pin him so he can viciously beat him up more.
Threatening to do the same to more faces.

There really is no arguing that it was full fledged. If it was just insulting Adam Page I could say it wasn't full fledged and just some smack talk.... but it was way more.
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I did miss the line about Virginia. Still this might be him leaning more heelish rather than fully turning, to get people on page's side, as I imagine he's going over. Like when hbk acted like a massive prick in the build to his match with hogan. Especially considering AEW's history of blurring lines between face and heel.

I think it's the right move, as Page is their new (somewhat) homegrown talent, and you don't want to put him in a fued that splits the audience right off the bat. But at the same time a win over Danielson proves the victory over omega wasn't a fluke, and helps cement him as a top guy. So having Danielson go "off the rails" for a bit is the best way to do this program. But they have to be careful not to go full heel (I mean like eco warrior bryan level) as that would be a bad idea.
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The idea of turning Danielson heel not even 3 months into his tenure is absolutely insane.
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I did not appreciate the lack of selling by Sammy in the TNT Championship match. It was ludicrous.
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