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Old 06-08-2019, 06:21 PM   #41
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Zack Ryder got a shot and shat the bed.
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Old 06-08-2019, 06:31 PM   #42
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I'm still angry about WWE not getting behind Ryder back in 2011 and at least giving him a substantial push. He made himself one of the most popular guys on the roster. By himself. If the WWE had gotten behind him, even just a little, they could have made loads.
He's pretty much the reason why WWE started to invest heavily into social media and Youtube.

Before his popularity took off from his Youtube series, WWE paid little attention to social media and Youtube and didn't realize how effective both could be for building and expanding their presence online.

Sure they rewarded Ryder with a US title reign but then quickly took it away due to Vince holding a grudge against Ryder for getting over on his own. Vince's grudge against Ryder got soo bad that supposedly others in the company felt that Vince's antics to him were really messed up.
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:11 PM   #43
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Zack Ryder is an awful professional wrestler. He can't talk and he can't wrestle.
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Old 06-09-2019, 08:51 PM   #44
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Zack Ryder got a shot and shat the bed.
You mean the shot that consisted of him being in a wheelchair while Cena stole his girlfriend? Come on. WWE did everything they could to cool him off as quick as possible

Your post was so wrong I had to stop lurking and comment for the first time in probably five years
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Old 06-09-2019, 10:55 PM   #45
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So people shouldn't be pissed that they haven't been defended more?
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:01 AM   #46
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What they really need to do is end the brand split and bring back WCW for those not featured on the main roster but too good for NXT and just tape the shows in the old Impact Zone in Orlando. Would keep things in town between the PC and NXT as well as playing off the NBC Universal relationship. More content for the WWE Network also.
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I disagree with this. For two major reasons:

One, you propose they end the brand split ... to do another kind of brand split? Not only that, but you want to make a separate entity that is in and of itself a midcard hell? People are already languishing in 205 Live and doing Main Event/SuperStars/Saturday Morning Slam/Jakked/Metal/Heat duty. That doesn't need segregated into its own brand. NXT shouldn't be seen as a demotion anyway. In... what... TWO appearances back on the brand, Tyler Breeze has done more for his character and in the ring than he has in like 2 years of main-market television of "the machine".

Two, you suggest making "tiers" where main roster WWE is "the best" and everything below that is "not as good". Biggest problem there is that NXT is currently OBJECTIVELY better than it's mainstream counterpart. You're making the same false equivalence they are themselves... and even that is a continuation of the problem between RAW/Smackdown from the days of the Smackdown Six. If something (someone) was working on Smackdown, Vince just tried to transplant it to RAW instead of emulating the environment and having two successful shows. People are popular and/or over in NXT, and they're just plucked and placed on the main roster with little to none of the care they've been handled with in Florida.

A combined problem with both of these issues is that you're assuming that everyone on the main roster deserves to be there and everyone not there is not there because they're not as good. That is super wrong all the way around. Nearly everyone who has been called up to the main roster from developmental has been ruined by either being called up before they were ready or, in most cases, called up with zero plan.

They don't need to do drastic gimmicky shit like shakeups and wildcard rules... they just need to book better and cast a wider net than the same 10 people all the time. They have 5 hours of TV to fill a week, there is zero reason we should see the same fucking faces all the time. And nobody will ever become a big star if they keep getting treated like second class citizens, jobbers, and lepers.
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:37 AM   #47
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You mean the shot that consisted of him being in a wheelchair while Cena stole his girlfriend? Come on. WWE did everything they could to cool him off as quick as possible

Your post was so wrong I had to stop lurking and comment for the first time in probably five years
The shot where he got to talk on Raw and he absolutely blew it. The Kane stuff was awful, but so is everything else he's ever done ever.
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:37 AM   #48
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Just book some fucking wrestling. Wrestler A doesn't like Wrestler B for a reason and wants to beat them for a reason. Pretty fucking simple. They fuck that up somehow.
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Old 06-10-2019, 01:11 PM   #49
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WWE has announced the "storybook title reign" of Hawkins/Ryder will be in danger as they will face The Revival tonight on RAW.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:04 PM   #50
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Do most storybooks have the protagonists win the prize and then have 12 blank pages before losing the prize.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:29 PM   #51
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You mean the shot that consisted of him being in a wheelchair while Cena stole his girlfriend? Come on. WWE did everything they could to cool him off as quick as possible

Your post was so wrong I had to stop lurking and comment for the first time in probably five years
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:17 PM   #52
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The shot where he got to talk on Raw and he absolutely blew it. The Kane stuff was awful, but so is everything else he's ever done ever.
Yeah, because he's a pro wrestler, not an actor, and he excels at creating and performing his own material. The guy created a huge following from nothing. All by himself. I've never been a big Ryder fan, but credit where credit is due. You can't do that without the ability to talk and connect with an audience.

The problem isn't that Ryder can't talk. The problem is that he is a pro wrestller. WWE doesn't want pro wrestlers. They want actors that can perform in wrestling matches.

Lots of people can't cut a great promo using a script. Because acting is fucking hard. But then you see them in a wwe.com exclusive where they're allowed to improv on the spot and they knock it out of the park. We've seen it time and time again.
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:58 PM   #53
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Lol, Zack Ryder is barely a pro-wrestler. People are acting like he is fucking Ambrose being creatively stifled in that place. His work in the ring is fucking awful, and his YouTube stuff was cute for YouTube, but hammy and not very good in any sort of serious context.
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