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Old 06-03-2013, 06:01 PM   #721
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:05 PM   #722
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I don't really agree with the scene in the books and in the show, but I can admit that it is powerful stuff in both. I can see why Martin would have found it "necessary" to do, or whatever, though.
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:42 PM   #723
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lol it is his world to manipulate as author, so there isn't really anything to "agree with" here.
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:52 PM   #724
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I was not trying to infer that he had to run it past me, and that my personal opinion matters to him.
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Old 06-03-2013, 08:15 PM   #725
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lol it is his world to manipulate as author, so there isn't really anything to "agree with" here.
As an executive producer, it had his approval. No one has any right to bitch about how it should have been done. He quite obviously saw that it fit his story well enough to go with it.
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Old 06-03-2013, 09:07 PM   #726
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Read that George Martin wrote this scene last in the book. He skipped it when he was writing, finished the rest of the book and then came back to it. Also said he purposely didn't want to be involved too much in this episode because it hurt so much to write the first time that he just couldn't do it again. That's why he didn't write this episode like he has for a couple through the show's life, and like people thought he would since it is such an important episode.

I think the show did it justice though.


Sounds like Lock Jaw just doesn't agree with this happening at all, not necessarily any differences. So what is it you don't agree with?
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Old 06-03-2013, 09:18 PM   #727
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Heavy loading most of A Storm of Swords into this season. All of Dany's story from the book is pretty much complete.

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Since she's not even in book 4 is this the last we will see of Dany for two full seasons? I don't like the sound of that at all.

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Old 06-03-2013, 10:09 PM   #728
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Heavy loading most of A Storm of Swords into this season. All of Dany's story from the book is pretty much complete.

So,

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Since she's not even in book 4 is this the last we will see of Dany for two full seasons? I don't like the sound of that at all.

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I'm assuming they will combine the events of Book 4 and 5 into the same seasons. The events in the books take place concurrently, and eventually combine somewhere through Book 5. They're just split into two books because there was so much content that he decided to split them like that.
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:32 PM   #729
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Sounds like Lock Jaw just doesn't agree with this happening at all, not necessarily any differences. So what is it you don't agree with?
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I just really vehemently disliked the decision to kill off Robb and Catelyn. After reading like two and a half books, the driving impetus behind the whole thing felt to me for the remaining Stark clan to finally reunite and to give the Lannisters some comeuppance (perhaps with the help of Danaerys). Gets you all invested in the characters and then kills them off for little return other than the "shock factor", and a big part of the reason to actually keep reading the series is gone.
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:45 PM   #730
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I never felt there was any singular plot driving the world or the books. There are so many stories happening, and we still have Starks left who are all performing their role in this whole world-altering struggle going on right now.

The Starks are obviously the 'hero' types, and we want to root for their family as they struggle to get by and as horrible things happen to them. But the rest of the people in the world are just as important. It's sort of the whole point of the series really - life happens, things don't always work out the way you hope. What goes around doesn't always come back around. They made a lot of stupid mistakes (Ned and Robb) based on values they put ahead of others. Were they wrong? No, but look how far it got them.


We get to see the contrast of that in people like the Freys, Boltons, and Lannisters. Money and power is worth more than just living and loving to these people. Even their own families are practically expendable at the drop of a hat.
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Old 06-04-2013, 01:54 AM   #731
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Read that George Martin wrote this scene last in the book. He skipped it when he was writing, finished the rest of the book and then came back to it. Also said he purposely didn't want to be involved too much in this episode because it hurt so much to write the first time that he just couldn't do it again. That's why he didn't write this episode like he has for a couple through the show's life, and like people thought he would since it is such an important episode.

I think the show did it justice though.


Sounds like Lock Jaw just doesn't agree with this happening at all, not necessarily any differences. So what is it you don't agree with?
As someone like yourself who is up to date with the books, it honestly could not have gone smoother. The only thing that I think they SHOULD have done differently for a more (somehow) epic feel was

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Heavy loading most of A Storm of Swords into this season. All of Dany's story from the book is pretty much complete.

So,

SPOILER: show


Since she's not even in book 4 is this the last we will see of Dany for two full seasons? I don't like the sound of that at all.

Chances are, they may include bits and pieces from her, remember that the show doesn't necessarily have to follow the narrative of the books since you are reading some POV chapters that may have took place a long time before the previous chapter.


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I'm assuming they will combine the events of Book 4 and 5 into the same seasons. The events in the books take place concurrently, and eventually combine somewhere through Book 5. They're just split into two books because there was so much content that he decided to split them like that.

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He could have at least left Tyrion in Book 4


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I just really vehemently disliked the decision to kill off Robb and Catelyn. After reading like two and a half books, the driving impetus behind the whole thing felt to me for the remaining Stark clan to finally reunite and to give the Lannisters some comeuppance (perhaps with the help of Danaerys). Gets you all invested in the characters and then kills them off for little return other than the "shock factor", and a big part of the reason to actually keep reading the series is gone.
No it isn't. If you think characters you love dying is something that will cause you to stop reading, best do so now because if you think its all sunshine and lollipops later, you are sadly, sadly mistaken.

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I never felt there was any singular plot driving the world or the books. There are so many stories happening, and we still have Starks left who are all performing their role in this whole world-altering struggle going on right now.

The Starks are obviously the 'hero' types, and we want to root for their family as they struggle to get by and as horrible things happen to them. But the rest of the people in the world are just as important. It's sort of the whole point of the series really - life happens, things don't always work out the way you hope. What goes around doesn't always come back around. They made a lot of stupid mistakes (Ned and Robb) based on values they put ahead of others. Were they wrong? No, but look how far it got them.


We get to see the contrast of that in people like the Freys, Boltons, and Lannisters. Money and power is worth more than just living and loving to these people. Even their own families are practically expendable at the drop of a hat.
The Starks of course are looked at as the main plot characters, mostly due I think to the actions of Jaime setting off the chain of events. However that isn't to say that nothing would have happened without him showing Bran out the window.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:46 AM   #733
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:40 AM   #736
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The major plot of the series is Ice vs Fire. Whatever else is going on in Westeros and Essos is going to play second fiddle to Dragons and the White Walkers.
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I personally think it is just fantastic writing. If you really pay attention to the details, you can see it coming so long ago. It's like everyone secretly hopes that people wont receive consequences for making stupid decisions. We all want the happy storybook ending all the time, and here is a series that just won't give it to us. Characters are forced to live with every decision they make, good or bad. Others are just bystanders in those decisions and are affected by them.

Robb wasn't even TRYING to become king. He was trying to exact vengeance on the Lannisters for his father. There was his first mistake. It was a war of passion, not one where he bothered to really think about what he was doing and what it would lead to. He was fighting passionately against people who are thinking critically and treacherously to stop him. They were fighting for totally different reasons, and his just happened to keep him from doing what it took to truly be King. He thought once it was all over he could just hand the city over to someone and go back north and live the rest of his days. Come on, that's too perfect. That kind of shit never happens realistically.
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Eff that guy. Gonna stop watching if I have to see his weird face all the time.

Why can't she end up with a nice man like that bloke that's been following her round from the beginning.
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Didn't care for book Daario but show Daario is the man stfu all of you.
I have to say the reverse is true for me. Very disappointed by the lack of blue beard.
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I have to say the reverse is true for me. Very disappointed by the lack of blue beard.
This doesn't surprise me.
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Didn't care for book Daario but show Daario is the man stfu all of you.
I agree, mostly BECAUSE of how they changed his appearance. It paints him (lol) totally differently. His vibrant blue hair and beard in the books really makes him seem flamboyant, attention seeking, far more 'weird' than he comes across in the show.


In the show, I can see how people hate him simply because he's encroaching on our Ser Jorah's territory, but let's face it.. they were never going to end up together, and anyone who thought they were is kidding themselves. Dany is at least smart enough to realize that, and she has moved on from him already. Jorah is still clinging to hope when he should have figured it out a long time ago. She is more than Jorah could ever be, and while she appreciates his help and would have been nowhere without him probably, they are not destined to be together. She is too important to end up with some middle-aged exile from Westeros who is only there because he dishonored himself.


Daario represents youth and freedom to her. He's intriguing to her. Let's keep in mind she's a 14 year old girl waging war against slavery in the old world. She's got an obvious teen mancrush on someone who is, to be honest, kind of a badass. She hasn't seen much of the world. Maybe some streets for a while, and then she grew up in luxury for the remainder of her childhood. All she has known really have been the Dothraki since then. Her husband was a khal, a MIGHTY fucking KING of horselords essentially, though he didn't rule the entirety of the Dothraki. Did people really want her to end up with hairy old Jorah Mormont, nice as he may be?
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This doesn't surprise me.
Found him much more interesting in the books, Like Igin said he looks like too much of a goof.


And yes I realize how odd that sounds considering I think he would look less of one with a dyed beard.
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Seeing that they never showed that during Daenerys' visions at the House of Undying, I doubt it.
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