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Old 10-06-2021, 10:11 PM   #7481
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i did enjoy the show the show though. just left me wanting.
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Old 10-06-2021, 10:30 PM   #7482
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I thought Loki established that the Infinity Stones don't work in the TVA's world. I don't remember anyone saying that they wouldn't work in other universes.
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Old 10-06-2021, 10:43 PM   #7483
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nah its specifically stated they are tied to the universe they came from. true in the comics too btw. raises a funny potential since they tied captian marvels power to the tesseract. its possible if she left her universe she might be powerless
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Old 10-07-2021, 01:25 AM   #7484
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The writer mentioned something about Ultron using the stones to power himself hence so many physical attacks and punching thru universes mixed up everything into a "soup".

But that's just spinning the fact that Loki was probably written the same time as What If and some world building just falls thru the cracks. Otherwise there should have been some TVA activity in that finale, it's literally their job to deal with exactly this.
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Yeah no.

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Yeah no.

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ffalse on the first count and utterly ridiculous on the second.
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i did enjoy the show the show though. just left me wanting.
I liked it... but*

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On the idea about the stones working or not working, you kinda have to throw out the comic canon where they shouldn't since MCU, at times, does its own shit. In this case, the stones don't work in the TVA as a specific safeguard in the TVA... but it doesn't quite include the multiverse in the MCU. The MCU idea of "branching timelines" is the basis of the movie universe multiverse, and since this shit is basically splintered time paths from the same vine instead of distinct numbered universes running in some sort of interdimentional parallel, they are *essentially* the same universe. There is a lot of conflating of timeline divergence and pure multiverse theory here just to make stuff plot convenient... like the crusher not working, but two different time stones exist in a third universe and both work.

I'm thinking, ultimately, we're not supposed to think so much about it. The more you think about it, the more it falls apart, but if you look at it only at face value, it works well enough to seem legit enough to buy. Sort of like how Magic and Science started off as essentially the same thing based on level of comprehension, but later being defined as two entirely different things.

Arguments about stones aside; I liked it... but*

I was a bit disappointed. I mean, nice to wrap things up like that, but even the title of the episode implied something it never touched on. "What If... The Watcher Broke His Oath?" Apparently, the answer is nothing. There was no consequence of his interference, right, wrong, or indifferent. The oath is just there as a matter of principle, then?

It's one thing where Demon Strange became so powerful that he could actually percieve and communicate with him, but it's quite another when he could just plop apocalypse Natasha in another universe.

The stone thing was easy to ride past for me, lest you fall in the quagmire I went into before about what the stones should/shouldn't do vs what is plot convienent and canonical for the MCU, but this was alluded to have some sinister cosmic consequences for actually sticking his nose into events and affecting outcomes. And even though it wasn't exactly his fault Ultron expanded his mind enough to put all of existance at risk, what was the Watcher's prohibition besides his own word?


... all that said, though it might not seem like it is so, I actually liked it. Again, without putting much thought into it. And overall, this seemed more like an excuse to exercise some stuff that may have hit some cinematic cutting room floors from various MCU movies and shows.
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I've tried to get into the comics several times because I love cosmic stuff, and eternals serves as an introduction to the celestial, but I've had to give up every time. They're just not interesting characters at all.
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Been thinking about that X-Men series though and going through some questions. Is it going to be a direct continuation? Or we ignoring that horribly-animated last season? "Graduation Day" actually hit me in the feels with those last moments even the rest of the episode left a lot to be desired. Will it remain in the nineties or are we bringing in some of the bullshit stories post-turn of the century? How will it look? Is it just a complete reset? What characters that weren't featured in the original run will be presented, if at all? One of the biggest omissions that I can recall was Shadowcat. Like, what the hell? What say you?
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Since it's specifically called 97', I imagine it will be a direct continuation, with the same jim lee inspired art style. It will likely look a lot cleaner around the edges.

As for content, they could adapt stuff like Fatal Attraction, X-Cutioner's Song, and Onslaught. Maybe even an Age of Apocalypse arc.

Might be cool to see later stories like House of M and Messiah Complex adapted with 90's characters and settings.

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For style, I imagine it will probably look like the new Animaniacs... you can see the old 90s designs, but the animation is smoother/rounder.
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They had characters showing up out of context all the time. Psylocke was probably one of the worst cases along with the mutants in Skull Mesa. Shadowcat could've been squeezed in. Hell, Nightcrawler got some love and he was in the same boat as she was. Oh, and Rachel Summers needs to show up, too.
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:05 PM   #7507
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:10 PM   #7508
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I thought she was no longer a vampire or something. Could be wrong.
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Stopped reading Marvel Comics around the time she became one (unrelated)
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:24 PM   #7512
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Yeah, she got her old self back thanks to the Dues ex Phoenixina.
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:27 PM   #7514
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Other question about the series I've been pondering: will Rogue still make me feel funny in my pants?
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One other demand/expectation out of this show: if the first episode doesn't begin with a "PREVIOUSLY...ON X-MEN..." I will lose all faith in humanity.
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voices will be key for me. hopefully they aren't too far off.
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Other question about the series I've been pondering: will Rogue still make me feel funny in my pants?
You feel funný in your pants cause of a cartoon? Shit, you must have a huge Sailor Moon collection.
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voices will be key for me. hopefully they aren't too far off.
I will always link the voice of Xavier in this show to the character, even with Patrick Stewart's portrayal. Magneto, Rogue, Wolverine, and Gambit were also tops. Beast's worked for that incarnation of the character, leaning way heavily into the scholarly part instead of the wisecracking, light-hearted aspect.
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