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Old 03-24-2016, 11:38 PM   #1081
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Yea I never liked Gadot as wonder woman. Instead of a busty body we get some bony jabroni
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Old 03-25-2016, 02:41 AM   #1082
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Just got back from seeing this. Can't really describe how disappointing I found the whole film. Everything was so untrue to the characters. The plot was incredibly contrived. Batman murdering people left and right, using his main weapon of the movie: guns. Superman just a big, smug, grimacing tool throughout. The weak intro of Wonder Woman. Eisenbergs over the top performance. And that ending... I could go on and on.

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Charlotte has the Amazonian physique required for Wonder Woman.
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Old 03-25-2016, 08:42 AM   #1084
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What was Doomsday like? That's pretty much the only thing I'm excited about. (Don't worry about spoiling anything for me, I'm not fussed).
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Old 03-25-2016, 09:37 AM   #1085
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If you liked this movie you are Affleck sheep,,,,,,
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Yea I never liked Gadot as wonder woman. Instead of a busty body we get some bony jabroni
I think she looks fine. Wonder Women doesn't have to be ripped, I think it was a good casting.
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That was worth the 30 odd year wait, loved it
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Old 03-25-2016, 04:24 PM   #1089
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What was Doomsday like? That's pretty much the only thing I'm excited about. (Don't worry about spoiling anything for me, I'm not fussed).
[spoiler warning for those that don't want it spoiled] Doomsday was alright. He looks kinda like a troll from Lord of the Rings though. However, he did his job well enough. Still weirded out by the fact that in this he's the unholy lovechild of Lex and Zod though, but other than that he's pretty much what you'd expect. He even gets some of the little bony spike things from the comics after they kick his ass the first time and he sheds his skin away.
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Film managed to break the all-time box office record for Easter week Thursday debuts. Ended up being $3-4 million short of doubling the previous record.

All-time Thursday record belongs to the recent Star Wars film which Bats vs Sups came nowhere close to touching.

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Despite a lukewarm critical reception, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice enjoyed a strong showing for its Thursday night opening. The movie brought in $27.7 million domestically, setting a new record for a Thursday night before Easter, eclipsing Furious 7, which made $15.8 million on the same night in 2015.

Furious 7 went on to make $67.4 million on Good Friday last year and $147.2 million for the full weekend.
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Old 03-25-2016, 09:54 PM   #1091
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Probably would have enjoyed this more if the trailers hadn't given so much away. Feel like I had seen all the action scenes already, minus the end of the final battle. It's a common problem these days, but it's especially bad with this film. Doomsday, Wonder Woman, the dream sequence, Batman's fight at the warehouse, it all should have been saved for the actual film. Yeah, you could say "well don't watch the trailers online", but I go to the movies enough where I'm probably going to see it anyway, so that doesn't help.

Eisenberg was good as the villain, but he may as well have been a brand new character, because his performance is a complete 180 from how the character is portrayed everywhere else. The closest interpretation to this movie's Lex would be All-Star Superman, but even that's a stretch.

Movie seemed weirdly paced as well.

On the bright side, I loved Affleck as Batman. Just great all around, as Bruce and Bats. Alfred was also a highlight, and the two have good chemistry onscreen.

Hard to judge Wonder Woman, since she's only in a small part of the film, but I like Gal Gadow so far

Score is god damn excellent, as is expected from Hans Zimmer. The opening scene, and Wonder Woman's theme being standouts.

So yeah. I liked it, but it didn't blow me away.
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The movie had a lot of potential.
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Scene had almost no impact, even with this badass track, because the whole thing was in the trailer, and I knew it was coming. Would have marked out crazy at that point otherwise.

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Old 03-26-2016, 01:21 AM   #1095
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I saw it. It's not very good. Ridiculously bad pacing and editing. No establishing shots and the narrative, or lack thereof, is all over the place. It's 2.5 hours of characters doing things without any real explanation as to why. Luthor especially. His motives are non existent.

I will say, the cast did a tremendous job with what they were given, but I'm tired of mopey woe is me Superman. The guy should be a beacon of hope, not questioning his purpose in life for 2 straight films.

Batman is also really unlikable in the movie. He's increasingly irrational, and makes decisions that aren't entirely thought through until the end. And even then, his third act 180 on Superman after hating the guy for 2 hours is completely out of nowhere. It's literally "arrrrg I hate you and you need to die. Oh wait. Nevermind. My bad. Now we're buds".

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I hated that he killed all fucking wily nilly. The knightmare scene is one thing, but he had an otherwise pretty neat car chase scene that saw him just slaughter guys. Then he saves Martha Kent and blows KG Beast up using a gun. Blows a bunch of guys up using the Batwing as well. It was infuriating to watch. Especially because I feel like it was only done to show how "extreme" and "brutal" and "edgy" this new Batman was, and because Snyder is an idiot who doesn't get you can accomplish all of those things without sacrificing a key character trait that was hammered the fuck home in the last trilogy. It's like he is incapable of setting his version of the characters he writes apart without taking it to unnecessary extremes


Wonder Woman was cool. I actually enjoyed her screen time however she was largely underdeveloped. The cramming of the Justice League roster was completely useless. And incredibly forced. They could've been left out of the film and it would not have hurt it one bit.

Eisenberg did well with what he was given and I liked him, but he's another character that had no clear motive as to why he was doing the things he was, which is a shame seeing as he could've been a definitive villain.

The ending was drawn out. A lot. And it felt really cheap.
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Superman "dies", and, just like the last one, after an entire film of "is he good or bad for us" Superman is magically heralded once more as a hero despite there being no development of this throughout the film.


Overall, the movie isn't as bad as the rotten tomatoes meter would lead you to believe. But it's an absolute mess from a story telling standpoint and all the issues from Man of Steel are back and just as bad if not worse. There are very few establishing shots and the first hour plus jumps all over the fucking place. And it jumps from one half assed storyline to the next without any real, fully developed outcome for any of them. I read one critic's take that said it felt like 4 or 5 really good movies crammed into one, and that's spot on. It's like Snyder had all these really great ideas, but was too shit a filmmaker to actually realize he can only fully develop a few of them fully over 2.5 hours and said "fuck it, I don't wanna leave anything out".

To think he got this massive budget and excessive run time only to churn out a half assed film that didn't have one completely fleshed out idea, that was, to top it off, completely mismanaged in terms of time and pacing, in top of not having one likeable character or memorable scene, just solidifies to me that Snyder is no good at filmmaking and is only good at making pretty pictures that move.

I liken him as a director to a kid getting a model car kit. If the kit is already made to order, with the pieces cut, painted, and sanded, and all you have to is glue out together, the kid's gonna do a decent job just by reading the directions. But if you have him have to actually paint, sand, and build the kit with zero direction or nothing already in place and outlined for him, the process is messy and while the end result is still the model car the path to getting there was sloppy, muddled, and directionless and your end result is a model car that isn't awful but also isn't very good, but is a model car nonetheless.

This is Snyder in film to me. 300, watchmen, Dawn of the Dead, all pre-existing works that were already written for him and in turn done in his end as decent or better endeavours. Man of Steel, Sucker Punch, BvS? All movies that get to its endgame but are highly lacking on cohesiveness, purpose and structure and all suffer from the same issues of a director who seemingly needs directions on how to make a decent film.


One last thing before I wrap up, Snyder made sure to go out of his fucking way to point out that all the wanton destruction occurring at the end of the film was in abandoned areas. From the "Stryker's island is abandoned" line, to the news stating that heroes point (ground zero from the previous Zod fight and mass destruction) was pretty much empty because people were off of work, to Batman stating the port where he beat the fuck out of Superman and lured Doomsday was abandoned, Snyder really tried to throw it in his critics faces that tons of innocent people didn't die in this one. It was actually a bit pathetic and childish.

I will say that I enjoyed this film much more than MoS, even though it's not if at all much better. I take issues with how Batman was portrayed but overall it's not an awful film, it's just not very good beyond the surface.


If this is what we have to look forward to in this new, force fed universe, it's gonna be a long and semi enjoyable but not really ride.

6/10
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I'm not upset with the more violent Batman, because it could be a great story depending on where the following movies go with it.

Like, maybe the Joker pushed him over the edge, and that's why he's so brutal now. And a subplot of the standalone Batman film or in Justice League could be him realizing he's gone too far, and trying to go back to his more honorable methods.

But if this is just how Batman is now, and it's not going anywhere, then yeah, this is stupid.
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The entire scene where Diana goes thru the metahuman files should have been a post credits thing.
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Yeah, that whole scene had the subtlety of a brick to the head, and reeked of desperation to catch up to Marvel.
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The entire mentioning of the Justice League, including
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Barry talking to Bruce through the screen about saving Lois, even though that was never expanded on and ultimately a waste
, was a big waste and brought nothing to the film.

This was my initial gripe when they mentioned this film would lead into Justice League. None of these characters are developed and now we get a
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Batman who magically has changed his ways and a Wonder Woman who spent much of the time she had in the film just staring and pondering.

It's a mess and everything I feared about rushing to JL is actually happening.
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Just got back from it. Went in with low expectations.... and it couldn't even live up to my low expectations.

Just felt like everything was "shoehorned" in.... Batman, Wonder Woman, Justice League references, the whole Batman vs. Superman conflict....

In the end it seems like they really should have just made a solo Superman movie. Just felt like everything but the Superman plot was shoehorned in, and that if they removed all that stuff, and just gave more time to developing Superman and Lex Luthor, it could have maybe even been a good movie.

I also laughed at Snyder continually pointing out that the areas were abandoned/empty at the final battle, though. Although, the news was all "Thankfully downtown is mostly empty because the workday is over"...... I don't think Snyder knows how downtown areas work in major cities.... there would still be tons of people.

Also found it "weird" how Gotham City is right across the bay from Metropolis. Seems like two cities that were that close, would pretty much have the same "feel" to them, and one would not be a vile cesspool of crime and corruption.
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Just read that apparently the CIA guy/photographer who gets killed near the beginning of the movie was Jimmy Olsen......

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"We just did it as this little aside because we had been tracking where we thought the movies were gonna go, and we don't have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?" Snyder said of Jimmy's part. On the R-rated edition of the film, the scene will be extended, so that Jimmy can introduce himself.
Not a happy camper about this development.
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Also, apparently Maggie from Walking Dead played Bruce Wayne's mother.... didn't notice.... and Negan from Walking Dead (upcoming) played his father....
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I'm excited to see this film (low expectations and all), but I'm not gonna deny, the Marvel Guy in me is happy with all the shitty reviews this film is getting.
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I was also right when I said Batman was waaay too brutal and violent in the trailers. There were times in this movie that I felt like I was watching the Punisher instead of Batman. [tiny spoiler, but nothing plot related] I mean Batman kills like literally dozens of people in this without even batting an eye, and he does so with guns galore. GUNS! WTF, Batman, you're breaking both of your biggest rules like they mean nothing?! Of course I'm hoping they explain this in a future movie. Maybe it'll turn out that Robin died and it pushed him over the edge? IDK, Alfred does say "things HAVE changed" to him at one point so yeah... [/end of spoilers].
You need to re watch, Batman never uses a gun in real life only in his dreams.
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I liked the movie and thought it was a good introduction to Batman. Would have been a lot better had they not spoiled a lot of it in trailers. Looking forward to Suicide Squad.
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Old 03-26-2016, 05:35 PM   #1107
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Really think a few of you need to watch the movie again. Have read a lot of reviews hating on Batman shooting guns and killing people. Batman never kills anyone and never uses a gun except in his dreams. Really think that was the best Batman since Micheal Keatons Batman.
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Really think a few of you need to watch the movie again. Have read a lot of reviews hating on Batman shooting guns and killing people. Batman never kills anyone and never uses a gun except in his dreams. Really think that was the best Batman since Micheal Keatons Batman.
He def at least blew up some people.

Christian Bale blew up a whole lot of people, though, and people love him.
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I liked it!

It started a little slow but I thought it was great once it got going. Ben Affleck is probably my favorite Batman after Christian Bale.

I also enjoyed

SPOILER: show

Lois Lane
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and the hints of DARKSEID and The Flash



I don't get the hate at all, it's a good movie IMO.
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Also found it "weird" how Gotham City is right across the bay from Metropolis. Seems like two cities that were that close, would pretty much have the same "feel" to them, and one would not be a vile cesspool of crime and corruption.
Thought that was weird to but then I thought about San Francisco and Oakland.
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Is it the same situation there? Are they two vastly different cities....
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Really think a few of you need to watch the movie again. Have read a lot of reviews hating on Batman shooting guns and killing people. Batman never kills anyone and never uses a gun except in his dreams. Really think that was the best Batman since Micheal Keatons Batman.
lol what are you talking about? He's got guns on the batplane and uses them to blow everyone outside the warehouse up. And there's no way some of those dudes in the batmobile chase lived. They are dead as doornails.

He also shoots KGBeast's flamethrower with that guy's gun.

Like I sid, I don't really have a problem with it, as it could lead to some great storys down the road, but come on dude. He clearly kills people.
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Is it the same situation there? Are they two vastly different cities....
I know that between a couple city blocks you can go from decadant town homes to crumbling sidewalks and projects, so two very different cities across tne bay isn't that much of a stretch, imo.
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Ok, I retract my statement on being weird, and change it to just being "unexpected", I guess.
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KGBeast left him no choice and it's the only real direct kill he did. Mileage may vary but I kinda get Snyder's 'shooting explosive barrels' loophole with Batman. And remember, this is a post-Jason Todd Batman who seems generally fed up with shit.

Aside from the that I agree the movie was oddly paced and felt like binge watching a show.

Bruce is all 'lets team up' with Diana way too easily. His expression at her old pic was the perfect set up for his anti-metahuman contingencies that could have been DCCU's Civil War in terms of an event. Imagine the shitstorm when they'd discover he studied their weaknesses just for Luthor to get those plans.

On Luthor:

- So... He knows Bruce and Clark's secret, right? They just gonna trust he'll stay quiet about that?
- He had no escape plan after he had major opportunity during the last fight? He waited to be arrested?
- Was he a tech guy, scientist, etc? What does Lexcorp actually do?
- Lex broke all manner of laws and scientific ethics and committed mass murder even killing Mercy but he needed the govt to approve a shipment.
- His reasoning for hating Superman was fascinating and should have been a focal point of the movie.
- Did he... call Darkseid? After likely learning about him from the archives wouldn't even Lex know not to do that? At all? He just killed millions.

Generals:
- DCCU is clearly not ready for a Darkseid/cosmic movie. The other JL cameos just don't fit yet even in this new film series. MCU introduced us to cosmic stuff very carefully, until we accepted a talking racoon.
- Diana's disguise is worse than Clark's.
- Should have went with Wally West for Flash. They still can.
- Calling it; Cyborg is gonna be bad. Maybe belief breaking. His portion of the cameo train was the most cringe inducing.
- Batman emailing Wonder Woman is hilarious. He used all caps and shit.
- Being that it was Zods body Doomsday should have had a bone hair goatee, which would reference Zod AND be comic accurate.
- Doomsday didn't need to be 20ft tall.
- Death of Superman, huh? Okay; should have been its own movie tho.
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KGBeast left him no choice and it's the only real direct kill he did. Mileage may vary but I kinda get Snyder's 'shooting explosive barrels' loophole with Batman. And remember, this is a post-Jason Todd Batman who seems generally fed up with shit.

Aside from the that I agree the movie was oddly paced and felt like binge watching a show.

Bruce is all 'lets team up' with Diana way too easily. His expression at her old pic was the perfect set up for his anti-metahuman contingencies that could have been DCCU's Civil War in terms of an event. Imagine the shitstorm when they'd discover he studied their weaknesses just for Luthor to get those plans.

On Luthor:

- So... He knows Bruce and Clark's secret, right? They just gonna trust he'll stay quiet about that?
- He had no escape plan after he had major opportunity during the last fight? He waited to be arrested?
- Was he a tech guy, scientist, etc? What does Lexcorp actually do?
- Lex broke all manner of laws and scientific ethics and committed mass murder even killing Mercy but he needed the govt to approve a shipment.
- His reasoning for hating Superman was fascinating and should have been a focal point of the movie.
- Did he... call Darkseid? After likely learning about him from the archives wouldn't even Lex know not to do that? At all? He just killed millions.

Generals:
- DCCU is clearly not ready for a Darkseid/cosmic movie. The other JL cameos just don't fit yet even in this new film series. MCU introduced us to cosmic stuff very carefully, until we accepted a talking racoon.
- Diana's disguise is worse than Clark's.
- Should have went with Wally West for Flash. They still can.
- Calling it; Cyborg is gonna be bad. Maybe belief breaking. His portion of the cameo train was the most cringe inducing.
- Batman emailing Wonder Woman is hilarious. He used all caps and shit.
- Being that it was Zods body Doomsday should have had a bone hair goatee, which would reference Zod AND be comic accurate.
- Doomsday didn't need to be 20ft tall.
- Death of Superman, huh? Okay; should have been its own movie tho.
Just on Wonder Woman's disguise being worse than Clark's normally I'd agree but Henry Cavill just proved a week ago that yea people really are that stupid/unobservant IRL.
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What was Doomsday like? That's pretty much the only thing I'm excited about. (Don't worry about spoiling anything for me, I'm not fussed).
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