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Old 11-22-2021, 11:50 AM   #62161
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This honestly sounds like it could be ANY ppv throughout the year. This is a big part of the problem with a homogenized product.
WrestleMania could be any PPV throughout the year. That’s why you build it up to be special with the stories. I mean, the only other thing that would inherently make it special is that you have those part-timers you were just complaining about.

* Brock and Roman has been the best thing in WWE and frankly deserves to be the main event.

* Becky and Bianca, should that be the match, has been set up since SummerSlam. I mean, they might move in a different direction, but if they go towards Liv Morgan for Day One, you’re then into Rumble season.

* Seth Rollins and Montez Ford could be the husbands fighting, which would be an amazing opportunity for a dude with star potential to step up and have an arrival party. People whinge about new stars not being created all the time.

* Orton vs. Riddle has been building since they started teaming, whenever that was.

* AJ Styles having an amazing wrestling match is always a treat.

* Big E vs. Edge is just me putting together something on the Raw side. But the story of Edge’s comeback has been him wanting to be the champion. It’s a bit uninspired to have him go after it as a babyface again, especially against Big E. Edge going to a dark place (we haven’t seen him since Hell in a Cell) could tell a cool story of the veteran going super-obsessive about getting one more run.

You fill it up with the pomp and circumstance, WrestleMania is going to be fine. Sorry you don’t like it, but it’s perfectly fine for modern wrestling context with something half-way resembling having a vision to it. Especially if the prerogative is to make young stars like Bianca Belair, Montez Ford, Toni Storm, Matt Riddle, etc. at the show.
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Old 11-22-2021, 12:15 PM   #62162
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This Vince McMahon egg storyline could potentially set something up for WrestleMania too. Adam Pearce has been charged with uncovering who stole it. That puts Adam Pearce and Von Wagner, and possibly Vince McMahon himself, at odds with the thief.
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Old 11-22-2021, 01:20 PM   #62163
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WrestleMania could be any PPV throughout the year. That’s why you build it up to be special with the stories. I mean, the only other thing that would inherently make it special is that you have those part-timers you were just complaining about.

They kinda did this to themselves though didn't they? So far, the storyline from a movie is the best thing they have going.


I guess if that's your cuppa.
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Old 11-22-2021, 01:31 PM   #62164
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Fuck it.




Tony Khan stole the egg. There. 100000% more entertaining than anything else being built at the moment.
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Old 11-22-2021, 02:14 PM   #62165
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Old 11-22-2021, 03:56 PM   #62166
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Fuck it.




Tony Khan stole the egg. There. 100000% more entertaining than anything else being built at the moment.
Nothing with Tony Khan involved in it as a performer is going to be anywhere near entertaining. Even as a withered husk of what he used to be, Vince has way more on-air charisma.
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Old 11-22-2021, 04:02 PM   #62167
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They kinda did this to themselves though didn't they? So far, the storyline from a movie is the best thing they have going.


I guess if that's your cuppa.
Yeah, wrestling has driven away a lot of what made it special. The WWE chased away a lot of casual fans, so their audiences being compromised of a larger margin of smarks is their fault. That’s why they’ve got this perceived ticket trouble with the smark favorite in majorly populated areas too.

The WWE does have a perception problem with some segments of the audience. But it is also more popular, more widely know and more effective at generating content for a general audience than anything close to a competition its got is. They will churn out that WrestleMania card, and honestly, if they fill those stadiums with more local fans, as opposed to super hardcore fans from the UK and elsewhere abroad, it might actually be a good thing for them. More sincere reactions, more fans that are out spreading word about the product, etc.

They could certainly take more chances creatively. They play it way safe, and I understand why, but it does not make for the most thrilling product to say the least. They’ve got the talent and the resources to be better within safe parameters. But you see them edging towards that at time. People seemed to really enjoy the Crown Jewel show, for example, and some have even been saying that Raw has been better.
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Old 11-22-2021, 04:21 PM   #62169
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Regal seems to be a star of those WCW Deep Cuts. I probably need to go back and watch more of him from that era.
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If I could watch only one WWE match a year, it would be the Rumble.
You ever hear the story about how the rumble came to be? Patterson came up with the idea and presented it to the "genius" Vince who said it was a stupid idea. It was only when one of the network heads got to hear of it (Dick Ebersol) he liked the idea and the concept of the countdown with people wanting to see who was coming in next kept people watching.

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The Royal Rumble, if you think about it, is a really bizarre idea in terms of a wrestling business that was still engaged with kayfabe. Why would it make any sense for their to be staggered entry? It’s a crapshoot and very “gimmicky.”

Yeah, it worked out, but how many other ideas like it have worked? How many other promotions have done knockoff Rumbles that sucked? How many WWE ones in recent years have been boring or forgettable. They kind of worked under Patterson and his attention to detail and finishes and the like. But the Royal Rumble has been coasting on that nostalgia for sometime.
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The only thing I watch every year is the Men's Rumble and even last year I couldn't be bothered. I hate how every run runns out, gets in the ring, does one spot and then fucks off till they get eliminated. Every. Single. Time.

And I get it for free
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Sometimes it seems you get a a guy coming in and doing their finisher to a few guys. Then they soak up a mild pop and disappear. But that may not have happened for a few years.
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The only thing I watch every year is the Men's Rumble and even last year I couldn't be bothered. I hate how every run runns out, gets in the ring, does one spot and then fucks off till they get eliminated. Every. Single. Time.

And I get it for free
How do you get it for free because I’d like to finagle that through legal means.
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The Royal Rumble, if you think about it, is a really bizarre idea in terms of a wrestling business that was still engaged with kayfabe. Why would it make any sense for their to be staggered entry? It’s a crapshoot and very “gimmicky.”

Yeah, it worked out, but how many other ideas like it have worked? How many other promotions have done knockoff Rumbles that sucked? How many WWE ones in recent years have been boring or forgettable. They kind of worked under Patterson and his attention to detail and finishes and the like. But the Royal Rumble has been coasting on that nostalgia for sometime.
As far as the gimmicky staggered entry thing, WarGames was similar and actually preceded it. Created by Dusty.

The Rhodes family. God bless their contributions to wrestling.
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How do you get it for free because I’d like to finagle that through legal means.
I have an Android box. For $20 a month I get 7000 channels and every ppv. IPTV.

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The only thing I watch every year is the Men's Rumble and even last year I couldn't be bothered. I hate how every run runns out, gets in the ring, does one spot and then fucks off till they get eliminated. Every. Single. Time.

And I get it for free
It has kinda devolved into "guys waiting for someone to hit a spot" over the last few years. Maybe longer.
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Didn’t they have an air date promoted for the Luger doc and then just... didn’t air it?
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Old 11-23-2021, 01:24 PM   #62185
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Old 11-23-2021, 01:44 PM   #62186
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Old 11-23-2021, 02:00 PM   #62187
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Old 11-23-2021, 02:18 PM   #62188
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There so many reasons why a moron would make a generic excuse to defend marketing a project that is ultimately never released.
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Old 11-23-2021, 02:53 PM   #62189
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And it starts, hahaha.

Does anyone deny that there are a multitude of reasons a product doesn’t end up making air? Or are you just going to dogpile on someone for being correct?
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Old 11-23-2021, 03:07 PM   #62190
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Imagine being such an idiot that you believe people are giving you hell for making a correct but meaningless generic statement (as a justifiable excuse for a dumb decision,) when in reality people are giving you hell because you're a pathetic moron.
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Old 11-23-2021, 03:18 PM   #62191
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Imagine being such an idiot that you believe people are giving you hell for making a correct but meaningless generic statement (as a justifiable excuse for a dumb decision,) when in reality people are giving you hell because you're a pathetic moron.
The fake lawyer, ladies and gentlemen. You can’t argue with reason like that. Just a reminder: this guy was all over my dick when my focus was on pointing out the stupid things WWE do. He turned homophobic and wild when I pointed out AEW sucks. He’s been obsessively hurling insults at me for so long, I should update people on that story.

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Old 11-23-2021, 03:20 PM   #62192
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Again, does anyone dispute there are a whole bunch of reasons a creative project can enter production hell?
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Old 11-23-2021, 03:29 PM   #62193
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Regal seems to be a star of those WCW Deep Cuts. I probably need to go back and watch more of him from that era.
Scott Norton is definitely in 2nd.
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Old 11-23-2021, 03:41 PM   #62196
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The fake lawyer, ladies and gentlemen. You can’t argue with reason like that. Just a reminder: this guy was all over my dick when my focus was on pointing out the stupid things WWE do. He turned homophobic and wild when I pointed out AEW sucks. He’s been obsessively hurling insults at me for so long, I should update people on that story.

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Go on...
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Scott Norton is definitely in 2nd.
Lol, that was good. I’m admittedly not a big of Norton’s though. I might need to check the B/C show stuff.
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Old 11-23-2021, 04:45 PM   #62198
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The only things I like that WWE does are those Docs. Too bad. Was interested in both.
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excited to go to dynamite tomorrow. love the wintrust arena. absolutely dreading punk vs. qt, but pumped for danielson vs. colt. saw them fight for the ROH title back in 2006 in chicago ridge, so this is nice treat 15 years later.
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