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Old 09-22-2018, 09:52 AM   #1361
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She's more of a black sheep
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Old 09-22-2018, 11:45 AM   #1362
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Being an only child does not make you an outcast. Thats reaching
Not being an only child, she was the only child. No other kids to play with at all. How's is that not an outcast? She and Superman were different than everyone around them, they were outcast.
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Being different doesn't necessarily make you an outcast.
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Old 09-22-2018, 12:11 PM   #1364
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Old 09-22-2018, 12:47 PM   #1365
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Looked up the term black sheep as I've never really heard it and I don't see Wonder Woman being one. She was loved by her family and wasn't seen as a disgrace at all.
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Old 09-22-2018, 12:49 PM   #1366
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Looked up the term black sheep as I've never really heard it and I don't see Wonder Woman being one. She was loved by her family and wasn't seen as a disgrace at all.
You have honestly never heard the term "black sheep"?

Color me impressed.
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Old 09-22-2018, 12:51 PM   #1367
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Maybe on WWE with the Wyatt Family or something but not in that context.
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Old 09-22-2018, 12:53 PM   #1368
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Not being an only child, she was the only child. No other kids to play with at all. How's is that not an outcast? She and Superman were different than everyone around them, they were outcast.
No one cast her out. She was lovingly embraced by all. Not having kids to play with =/= outcast
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:07 PM   #1369
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Being loved has nothing to with being an outcast in her situation. I've agreed she was loved that's not what I'm saying. She different than everyone around her, maybe outcast isn't the right word but it makes sense to me.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:13 PM   #1370
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Looked up the term black sheep as I've never really heard it and I don't see Wonder Woman being one. She was loved by her family and wasn't seen as a disgrace at all.


"Black sheep" means "odd one out" too.
I have rarely heard it used to describe someone who is a disgrace to their family because that seems at odds with the origin of the phrase. It's more about people who are unusual or don't take after their families. Different traits etc. It's a phrase born from recessive genes in sheep.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:17 PM   #1371
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maybe outcast isn't the right word but it makes sense to me.

She's the odd one out then. They love her but she's different and she knows it deep down.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:18 PM   #1372
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I'd consider being unusual as an outcast but maybe I'm wrong. I don't think there's much of a difference between the two with your definition.
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Being loved has nothing to with being an outcast in her situation. I've agreed she was loved that's not what I'm saying. She different than everyone around her, maybe outcast isn't the right word but it makes sense to me.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:30 PM   #1374
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:33 PM   #1375
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An outcast is also someone who doesn't fit in.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:35 PM   #1376
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Well "outcast" comes from the literal "to cast out" so unless historically all unusual people were cast out then it isn't the same.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:41 PM   #1377
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You guys are too literal for me. She wasnt cast out or anything like that but she's an outcast for not having anyone else to relate to. In my opinion that made her feel like an outcast in her own mind.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:43 PM   #1378
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There are better words for that situation. Stop trying to make "outcast" work. There's poetic license and then there's plain misuse of words.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:46 PM   #1379
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I don't see it as a misuse of the word at all. I think you guys seen the character in a different light than I did.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:53 PM   #1380
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It's 2001 all over again.

Just say it was poetic license, neg reps full of bigotry and then wild accusations about people's educational progress.

Don't forget to hold it against us forever.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:57 PM   #1381
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What? You lost me on that one.
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I like that simple fam is arguing a literal definition of a word. She's not, by definition, an outcast.
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The 2001 Standard - "When confronted by your own vulgar hyperbole either deflect, deny or refer to the misconception of 'poetic license'(a concept misappropriated by argumentative losers as a Hail Mary against literal sense) and stand firm."

It's a good one. You should give it a go.
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She doesn't have to be an outcast to you guys but she was to me. I don't think it's about the definition of the word at this point and its just the difference in how we seen the character. A piece of art can be interpreted differently by many people.
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The 2001 Standard - "When confronted by your own vulgar hyperbole either deflect, deny or refer to the misconception of 'poetic license'(a concept misappropriated by argumentative losers as a Hail Mary against literal sense) and stand firm."

It's a good one. You should give it a go.
I don't know, feel like I've stood pretty firm on my point. It may be a "misconception of poetic license" as I wasn't using the literal definition of outcast so to speak but I feel like people should have been able to get my point.
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She doesn't have to be an outcast to you guys but she was to me. I don't think it's about the definition of the word at this point and its just the difference in how we seen the character. A piece of art can be interpreted differently by many people.


While I appreciate this sentiment philosophically(and it has given me further opportunity to pick at the delicious scab of 2001) - I cannot condone it's application in a semantic argument. Words have definitions for a reason so if you're going to re-assign them then you may as well speak gibberish.
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Currently Re-watching Wonder Woman. I would say That and Captain America are basically the same movie, just with different characters and the DC/Marvel seperation.
See I don't get this at all. Steve's journey is way different than Wonder Woman's and the only real thing they have in common is they are war pieces. Would love for someone to explain how these two are the same.
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Old 09-22-2018, 02:25 PM   #1389
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While I appreciate this sentiment philosophically(and it has given me further opportunity to pick at the delicious scab of 2001) - I cannot condone it's application in a semantic argument. Words have definitions for a reason so if you're going to re-assign them then you may as well speak gibberish.
Outcast is commonly used to describe some who doesn't fit in. I don't think I've reassigned the definition of outcast at all.
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Old 09-22-2018, 02:45 PM   #1390
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I actually agree with you about her not entirely fitting in but I think the word "outcast" could be better dressed if that is truly how you believe her to be. Perhaps a couple of inverted commas wouldn't go amiss but I still think it's too narrow a definition to use for a woman as well positioned in her society.

It's not exactly the story of Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer is it?
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Wonder Woman is similar to Black Panther in my mind. Maybe it's the expansive scenery and kickass action sequences but also the idea of a beloved figurehead with secrets yet to discover who then saves their civilisation/the world is fairly common. Thor also fits that description.
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I'm only speaking about her as a child. Once she grows up she's like everyone else on the island. Now once she leaves the island and goes out into normal society she's kind of back in that outcast type figure again but quickly conforms to it.

I'll admit she's not a typical outcast like a Rudolph but there are some aspects it in her.
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Wonder Woman is similar to Black Panther in my mind. Maybe it's the expansive scenery and kickass action sequences but also the idea of a beloved figurehead with secrets yet to discover who then saves their civilisation/the world is fairly common. Thor also fits that description.
Haven't seen Black Panther so I'm not real sure but I can see it. Thor matches up good as well but in my opinion the progression of his story doesn't match up as much as Superman's does in Man of Steel.
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The real question is “Is Black Panther an outcast?”
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The real question is “Is Black Panther an outcast?”
Well of course he was. He didnt have any other princes to play with.
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As I said havent seen Black Panther or read any of his books so I don't know him real well but I'd assume he wouldn't be an outcast being a king and all.
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Well of course he was. He didnt have any other princes to play with.
How you take that as what I mean as Wonder Woman being an outcast I don't understand. I guarntee you'd feel like an outcast if you'd never met another kid in your childhood. Being a prince or what ever Black Panther is wouldn't be the same.
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Black Panther was an outcast cause he was black.

There, I said it.
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The definition of outcast is not "open to interpretation" ffs. She's practically the opposite of an outcast.
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How you take that as what I mean as Wonder Woman being an outcast I don't understand. I guarntee you'd feel like an outcast if you'd never met another kid in your childhood. Being a prince or what ever Black Panther is wouldn't be the same.
You're confusing personal loneliness with being an outcast. One is internal the other is external. How a character feels has literally nothing to do with being an outcast.
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