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Old 04-10-2019, 08:35 PM   #521
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Would be funny if WWE somewhat tanks on FOX and they dump them.
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They'd be more likely to just move SD to FS1.

Which I kind of assume is what will happen anyway. I think SD will debut 4-5 million but be half that amount a few months later.
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Old 04-11-2019, 04:35 AM   #523
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I don't even know if it will be a few months. You'd think it'd be easy to retain them with, say, a Rock appearance, Brock Lesnar doing something, Ronda doing something, etc.; but WWE have really proven they don't know how to do things. That Raw show last year was supposed to be special. It spiked ratings and then no one came back.
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Old 04-11-2019, 09:50 AM   #524
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It will be telling too how inclusive SD is. If people tune in and the rosters are merged a bit and they realize to follow this show they have to watch a 3 hr show on a different channel on Monday Nights it will turn new viewers off. Even things getting resolved at a ppv might tune viewers off who want to watch the show and see resolution on the show itself.

It will be interesting to see how they handle it.
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Old 04-11-2019, 04:20 PM   #525
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That’s a good point. There are certainly interesting times ahead.
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Hr 1 - 2.69
Hr 2 - 2.76
Hr 3 - 2.55

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FYI last year had a 3.62 rating.

Down almost 1 million viewers.
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Not surprised it ended up being lower than last week's RAW After Mania. Might be a new record for how quickly WWE squandered the momentum carried from a Mania.

The drop being just 14k from start to finish is really good compared to the usual trends but 1st Hour being almost 500k less than last week pretty much doomed this week.
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From Observer's Dave Melzter on WWE's ratings woes and why its getting worse this year compared to sports.

The only demo where they average around the same decline percentage as tv in general is the over 50 group due to it being their main demo.

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The year to year drop for WWE is so significant. The NBA regular season are equal to what they had last year, so no drop despite LeBron playing on the West Coast and not making the playoffs. The NFL were actually up on the last year.

He says Sports and TV ratings are going down to digital platforms but not to a degree of 25% per year in any way, shape or form. Last weeks Raw and Last weeks Smackdown are down 25% uniformly.

Demos, from 1 year ago to now.

Teenagers are Down 29% on last year.

18-34's are Down 37% (!) from last year. He emphasizes this sucks.

35-49's are Down 27% from last year, he also says that is horrendous.

50+'s are down 10%, this is the likely demo that watches the show regularly.

So if you go under the ages of 49 years old, WWE have huge drops in every demographic from 1 year ago.
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That year-to-year drop is not good.
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Melzter is nothing but an AEW stooge these days. Being that biased hurts his credibility. He is way to happy gloating about WWE ratings, while going out of his way to defend anything that doesn't paint AEW in flying colors. Example

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I don’t get it. He’s saying that they’re looking to get paid for a 2-hour show. What is wrong with that?
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Old 04-19-2019, 03:28 PM   #534
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I think he “revels” in the ratings decline because he hopes it kicks Vince/WWE in the arse and approach things differently. I think he genuinely wants WWE to be watchable/good/great but they’re just not right now.
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Slight drop this week, mainly due to 3rd hour tanking via dumb Baron Corbin in main-event


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Hr 1 - 2.68
Hr 2 - 2.30
Hr 3 - 2.15

Avg - 2.38 million viewers

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Both Bray and AJ/Contenders segments are at 1.2 million views on YT currently
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They're getting closer and closer to that 2 million viewer line.
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Yeah. I think that’s why most of us who revel in it do so. It’s not just shadenfreude. It’s the hope that enough people eventually stop clinging on to the WWE habit so they have to decide that just making sure they’re putting out content and phoning it in week after week isn’t good enough and that quality is important.
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Good to see that the shake-up freshened things up for them.

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Live tv ratings are slightly down this week for SDLive, likely due to NHL/NBA


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2.07 million viewers

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Most watched on YT currently:
KO turns on Kofi - 890K
Shane/Elias attack Roman - 717K
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Yikes @ live tv viewers this week for #RAW #WWE

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Hr 1 - 2.34
Hr 2 - 2.24
Hr 3 - 1.89


Avg - 2.16 million viewers
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Most watched on YT:
Seth/AJ contract signing - 1.3 million
Becky/Lacey brawl - 776K

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For comparison RAW Live TV ratings since night after WM:


Apr 8 - 2.92 million
Apr 15 - 2.66 million
Apr 22 - 2.38 million
Apr 30 - 2.16 million


This same week in 2018 - 3.06 million viewers
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Yikes @ live tv viewers this week for #RAW #WWE
The scary part is next week likely going to topple that for an all-time low since nothing about RAW changed creatively from the Shakeup.

They squandered both the momentum from Mania and the Shakeup in record fashion. RAW getting a quality boost for their tag division meant nothing since Vince despises tag wrestling and it showed this week.

Probably safe to call the Bruce Prichard experiment a big failure for RAW's Creative considering its gotten a lot worse since he was hired.
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In 2010 TNA had 2.2 million viewers in ratings
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Wow Cesaro is already on Main Event.
Because nothing makes sense.

How is it that Ricochet is in the men's MITB after losing his last Raw match, yet the guy that beat him last week not only isn't in that match, he wasn't even on Raw this week? A 3 hour show and they couldn't figure out a spot to get Roode on tv, but Lucha House Party got 2 segments???
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SD could dip under 2 million this week,

SD ratings since WM:

Apr 9 - 2.19 million
Apr 16 - 2.22 million
Apr 23 - 2.07 million
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The other wrestling forum I am part of's ratings thread is more active than it's SmackDown thread, lol. This is getting to be a "story." Investors actually questioned the falling ratings, and as they fall way faster than other cable properties, it's only going to be questioned more and more, by all sorts of stakeholders.

This could snowball, and I am very excited to see what happens next week. And when you're ratings are more exciting than your TV product, then you're in real shit.
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The other wrestling forum I am part of's ratings thread is more active than it's SmackDown thread, lol. This is getting to be a "story." Investors actually questioned the falling ratings, and as they fall way faster than other cable properties, it's only going to be questioned more and more, by all sorts of stakeholders.

This could snowball, and I am very excited to see what happens next week. And when you're ratings are more exciting than your TV product, then you're in real shit.
It was bound to happen sooner or later right you can only insult your fans with garbage for so long operating them for hating the fact that you're giving them garbage and blaming them before they just say f*** it and change the channel or go do something else.

Vince's entire deal as noted by osw review is you don't like what you like I tell you what you like.
And if it's not clear by now that that is not the way this works then there's no hope for this company as long as he's at the helm.
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kofis losing at MITB
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It was bound to happen sooner or later right you can only insult your fans with garbage for so long operating them for hating the fact that you're giving them garbage and blaming them before they just say f*** it and change the channel or go do something else.

Vince's entire deal as noted by osw review is you don't like what you like I tell you what you like.
And if it's not clear by now that that is not the way this works then there's no hope for this company as long as he's at the helm.
Definitely. WWE has been insulting for a long time and the company does not have its finger on the pulse. They have no stars and people have lost faith in them to create them.
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Lol, Owens winning the belt is not going to help matters. Not sure if anything will.
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In theory, heel Owens might be a better ratings draw than Kofi. But it’s all under WWE’s watch so, fuck it. Might as well put the title on Curt Hawkins.
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The other wrestling forum I am part of's ratings thread is more active than it's SmackDown thread, lol. This is getting to be a "story." Investors actually questioned the falling ratings, and as they fall way faster than other cable properties, it's only going to be questioned more and more, by all sorts of stakeholders.

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It was bound to happen sooner or later right you can only insult your fans with garbage for so long operating them for hating the fact that you're giving them garbage and blaming them before they just say f*** it and change the channel or go do something else.

Vince's entire deal as noted by osw review is you don't like what you like I tell you what you like.
And if it's not clear by now that that is not the way this works then there's no hope for this company as long as he's at the helm.
--- Incoming TL;DR post ---

And I find this all the more ironic, considering NXT is better than the primary roster shows, and it is buried on the Network. If *that* were on TV where more people could see it, it would be ruined as well by trying to make it "consumer friendly" instead of keeping what attracts fans in the first fucking place. They already prove it by screwing over 90% of the call-ups, no matter how well they prominently were featured; they essentially make these folks "start over - again", since they likely had to start over in NXT to begin with.

Though I feel there is a degree of Vince being "out of touch", I don't think it is so much that he doesn't have "it" anymore as much as "it" doesn't jive with corporate think in a massive publicly traded company. The man is trying to serve two masters, and both of them suffer for it.

I saw a vid earler about how shitty the new Sonic movie trailer is, and heard one simple quote that is applicable:

"This looks like it'll please a borardroom."

It is applicable here as well. They keep doing shit that makes advertisers and shareholders happy and keeps parent's groups relatively quiet... but that comes at the detriment of keeping what is cool about wresting as an attraction. They spend more time trying to shape it into their "live action-adventure drama series" or whatever the fuck they categorize it as when they talk about RAW being the longest running of it than to cultivate and sustain what keeps fans relatively happy and wanting more.

They're quick to say stuff like "x isn't a draw", but in the current environment, who is - or can be? Most of the roster is filled with interchangable jobbers. That may not have been the intent, but it sure as hell is what they present them as. Titles are just a thing you have (or, in the case of the women, it is your turn for) not a thing people battle for. There was a point where Nakamura was numero uno hot shit IN SPITE OF HIS ENGLISH NOT BEING GOOD, and they did fuck all with that. Basically squandered it in short order, even with the golden heel turn, amounting to nothing, and then just randomly teaming with Rusev because reasons.

Meanwhile, on the other end (and this isn't really an excuse to bag on him this time) you have Roman Reigns, who is clearly supposed to be the mold of a champion. To the point that they were doing cart-before-horse advertising with him, making him SuperCena II, and throwing every bell and whistle into trying to get him over as that guy up to and including having one of the most popular wrestlers in the history of EVER actively endorse that guy... and through none of that did they realize (or, if they did, didn't care) that all of those things were a pretty large factor in why it is so hard to get him over. Baron Corbin is getting the reaction they want him to, but not for the reason why. It is not because he is a great heel who generates massive heat, it is because the fans percieve it as trolling by WWE, and they really don't want to see the guy. To paraphrase Cornette: "It isn't we want to see this heel get beat up, it's we don't want to see this heel!" Before, it was likely they'd pick up on that and adjust accordingly. Now, it's like even if they know, fuck it because he's getting boo'd.

Most of this shit consists of blatantly shallow attempts. Just like it was blatant and shallow to try to make Jinder a world champion right before attempting to crack the market in India. Just like it was blatant and shallow to try to build a roster around Eva Marie because she "is hot" (and I always feel that I have to object to that) and she apparently came across as a bitchy heel on an auxillary show nobody regularly watching wrestling gives much of a fuck about. TJP's whole gimmick screamed of being a corporate image of "what all the kids are into nowadays". I seriously believe deep down that the whole reason for the pre-injury push for "Ali" was exactly the same as the aforementioned Jinder push, just for another Middle Eastern show instead... his size deficiency was overridden by him being brown. They constantly try to find a replacement for Rey for a Mexican market, but most of the time, they keep trying to distill him to flippy shit and masks to sell to kids instead of the fact that, at this point, Rey is a goddamn legend.

They just need to re-evaluate the fact that they're going more off the rails because they're just not that cool thing to watch anymore. Cool things happen occasionally, but not often enough. Cool personalities emerge, but it is often in spite of WWE, not because of their creative direction. They've become tryhards in the game they pretty much wrote the rules for. They need to go back to what go them to their prominence in the first place and stop trying to manufacture shit in time for investor reports or a particular foreign tour.
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