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Old 04-10-2019, 07:13 PM   #1
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2019 Superstar Shake-Up

Well, the shake-up is next week. It's a bit daft seeing as they pretty much threw the brand split out the window this week, but if the last couple of years are anything to go by they'll probably keep the brands mostly separated again until Survivor Series, aside from the Women's Tag Champs and, for the moment, Becky Lynch.

And if the rumors are anything to go by, FOX wants to keep the brand split in place because they don't want to essentially be cross-promoting with USA by sharing the same roster. So like it or lump it, the split seems to be here to stay.

So with all that said - who do you think will be changing shows?

Daniel Bryan w/ Rowan

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Drew McIntyre

I'm pretty confident on this one. It seems they already telegraphed Drew moving with him randomly turning up on SmackDown to align with The Bar against New Day. Not sure what the point of that would be if not to set something up. Moreover after Drew steamrolled the Shield for a month only to job to Roman at Mania I could see them trying to get them off of the same show.

Bryan on the other hand was nowhere to be seen on TV this week and given there was no sort of continuation between him and Kofi I think he's ticketed to the red brand to be Rollins' first challenger for the Universal Title, which could be a lot of fun.

Samoa Joe
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Finn Balor

Another thing they telegraphed this week was Braun coming after Joe. That could be a sign that Braun is being moved over but I actually think it'll be the other way around with Joe going back to Raw. They've never been shy about switching around the IC and US belts.

The counter to this would be Balor to SmackDown which I'm in total support of. My natural inclination is to want to see him work with AJ again. But you could also potentially set up him against whichever guys remain on SmackDown amongst Rey, Andrade, Ali, etc.

The Usos
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The Revival

This seems like another natural trade as both teams just dropped their respective tag titles. The Usos have been on SmackDown since the beginning of this most recent brand split and I think they've done all they can do there. As great as the matches were I have no interest in seeing them against The New Day or The Bar again. I could see them winning the Raw belts as soon as this Monday.

The Revival just lost to Hawkins and Ryder on consecutive nights and while both losses were perceived as flukes I think it was a prelude to have them switch shows. Revival/Hardyz and Revival/New Day could be fun.

Asuka
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For some reason my gut tells me Asuka will be headed back to Raw. It's really hard to believe there were weeks at a time where she wasn't seen on SmackDown and I think it's clear that Vince doesn't really "get" her. But nevertheless I think she'd be the "big" move for the Raw women's division.

Sasha to SmackDown would be the token tag-team split up that seems to happen in the draft every year. For whatever it's worth she's been pretty outspoken online about feeling like she hasn't been given enough to do, so maybe WWE view sending her to the "B-show" as a punishment even though they're about to get a boatload of money from FOX?

Naomi
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Ember Moon

If The Usos are going to Raw, then Naomi is obviously going over too. With Bayley/Sasha being broken up I could see Naomi teaming with Bayley or rekindling her team with Asuka, or something.

Ember just returned in the women's battle royal. She might be able to get into the title picture on SmackDown. But let's be honest, you know WWE's mindset here is just "let's trade the black girls for each other".

Lars Sullivan, Heavy Machinery, Nikki Cross, EC3 assigned to Raw

Ricochet, Aleister Black, Lacey Evans assigned to SmackDown

Raw gets more of the "free agents" but it's definitely a quality over quantity thing. I see Lars squashing enhancement guys for a few months before feuding with Strowman. Ditto for Heavy Machinery until AOP are back for a good 'ol fashioned hoss fight. Hopefully they can find something for Nikki to do. EC3 is already dead in the water and the only possible way I can see him being salvaged is if Bryan slaps him backstage.

I initially had some of these switched with RicoBlack going to Raw instead since they're clearly the biggest names of this crop of recent call-ups but the more I think of it the more I could see Ricochet being the type of guy FOX really wants on SmackDown to show off some of his flashy stuff in ads. A roster that includes Ricochet, Black, Styles, and Balor + more sounds A-OK to me. I feel like Lacey and Charlotte will end up being aligned eventually.

Miscellaneous

Nothing else really jumps out. I suppose if they break up a men's tag team it'll be Rusev and Nakamura who are really singles guys who got thrown together for no reason other than creative had nothing for them. Maybe Nakamura to Raw to feud with Reigns or something?

I could maybe see Orton going to Raw to give Rollins another potential opponent but Randy's one of the few guys on the roster who probably has enough sway to stay on SmackDown if he prefers their travel schedule. As it is he doesn't work a lot of live events anymore so it's really just a case of if he'd rather work Monday or Tuesday.

Oh yeah and they'll definitely move some of the undercard geeks just in the name of SHAKE UP! Sanity going to Raw wouldn't be a surprise so Nikki Cross can be with Killian Dain. Plus they just had whatever shred of credibility they had left killed dead by Miz in a 3 on 1 handicap match. The fucking B-Team is probably a fair roster trade for them at this point.


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Old 04-10-2019, 08:22 PM   #2
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Balor/Andrade IC feud good god yes
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Old 04-10-2019, 11:40 PM   #4
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Well it'll be interesting to see how tight FOX are about that. If FOX can actually get the Survivor Series "brand pride" bullshit squashed because they don't want Raw advertised on their show that would be excellent.
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Old 04-10-2019, 11:41 PM   #5
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That would be fucking incredible, provided they don't act like a bunch of stupid heads and send Andrade to Raw to feud with Lucha House Party.
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They're gonna break up Kofi from Big E/Woods
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Old 04-11-2019, 12:15 AM   #7
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I'm not so sure. New Day still sell a ton of merch.
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Old 04-11-2019, 01:29 AM   #8
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Feel like Bray is going to end up with Sanity. That new promo makes me think they may literally take his gimmick to the extreme and have him try to play a literal insane person. Putting him with Sanity gives him a stable, which he is FAR better with than solo, and it lets him be the architect behind building Sanitys credibility back up. Although I would also love to see him show up with Luke Harper at his side. RAW seems a likely home, either way.

I think Roman or Seth one is going to Smackdown. You know they are going to push Roman to the title picture, and I don't think they want to do Seth v Roman any time soon. So if he's going to be back in the main event sooner rather than later, I think SD is the better fit. Then again, they could do the double champion swap here and trade Seth for Kofi. With the deal with Fox coming up I could see them wanting the big title on SD. Dean is going to attack one of them at some point too and I'd wager it's gonna be Roman, so he probably comes back to RAW whenever they decide to play out this obvious storyline of him leaving.

Becky is going to end up being mainly on RAW because Charlotte is going to get the SD title back in the near future when Lacey interferes and causes Becky to lose. Lacey to RAW obviously to feud with Becky.

I see a surprise team split coming in the form of Black and Ricochet. Black is going to get a solo run and Ricochet will end up tagging with someone else, maybe Mustafa Ali on SD! So I'll say Black to RAW, Ricochet to SD!

Kevin Owens is going to RAW and he will be one of the first people to feud with Seth.

No idea where Zayn ends up, but logic dictates that he follows Owens to RAW if nothing else is in play.
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I'm not so sure. New Day still sell a ton of merch.
now they can sell new day stuff with big e/woods and kofi stuff

2x the merch
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I wasnít taking a shot at Vito, but WWE. There is an endless stream of evidence to suggest they donít have any real plans.
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I was a bit disappointed with all the meaningless inter-promotional matches that we've gotten recently. I sincerely hope they maintain two distinct rosters once we are done with the "International Superstar Shake-Up". Either that or stop pretending and unify the championships. I am in favor of the brand extension considering the amount of talent they're hoarding at the moment.
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Old 04-11-2019, 03:22 AM   #13
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I’ll give it a go:

* Braun and Joe will end up on the same show. They’ve teased the feud. Probably on Raw — US Title makes the most sense on the USA Network show. Could always switch later or just make all champs floating at some point.

* This would suggest Balor to SmackDown. He could easily lose the IC Title on Raw to Elias or something though.

* Always thought that Cole and Phillips would switch in the next draft. I’ll stick with that.

* The Miz to switch to the USA Network show to promote his reality program. Probably means more Shane on Raw, but that’s not really a move.

* The Usos may have lost the belts to move to Raw, or just to turn heel again. I’ve thought for a while they would get “promoted” to Raw, so I’ll guess that. Naomi probably goes where they go.

* The Bar to NXT as the “shocker.” Not really, but maybe. I could see their main event losses being a “thanks” moment before they head down there to help train/coach on the job. Won’t be forever, but I can see them against the War Raiders at a Takeover easy.

* Pete Dunne will get called up. Maybe to 205 Live.

* Kairi Sane will get called up.

* I’m going to guess the random signing of Tajiri too. No reason why, I can just see “International” featuring him. He got some attention WrestleMania weekend, and hey, they brought back Rhyno and Shelton.

* I see Cedric Alexander and Buddy Murphy being promoted from 205 Live. Murphy will probably get Raw, given that Alexa is there. So maybe Alexander to SmackDown?

Everything else is up in the air. I always thought Brock would move to SmackDown, but I can’t see him being part of this.
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Old 04-11-2019, 03:24 AM   #14
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My problem is that the roster split really doesn’t make anymore guys than people suggest as a positive to it. The ONLY time I think you can really argue the case is with Batista and Cena, MAYBE, but after the initial pushes to concurrent Mania wins, it was really Cena’s show once Big Dave ended up on SmackDown.
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Old 04-11-2019, 03:25 AM   #15
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Does anyone really benefit from a brand split? Like, you can point to tiny events like Slater winning a belt, or Becky doing the same when it first happened, but it’s clear Vince has emphasis. Everything else just dilutes.
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His new toy is Lars. This would be the same if they had one two-hour show. It doesn’t matter if he’s on Raw or SmackDown.
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I’ll give it a go:

* Braun and Joe will end up on the same show. They’ve teased the feud. Probably on Raw — US Title makes the most sense on the USA Network show. Could always switch later or just make all champs floating at some point.

* This would suggest Balor to SmackDown. He could easily lose the IC Title on Raw to Elias or something though.

* Always thought that Cole and Phillips would switch in the next draft. I’ll stick with that.

* The Miz to switch to the USA Network show to promote his reality program. Probably means more Shane on Raw, but that’s not really a move.

* The Usos may have lost the belts to move to Raw, or just to turn heel again. I’ve thought for a while they would get “promoted” to Raw, so I’ll guess that. Naomi probably goes where they go.

* The Bar to NXT as the “shocker.” Not really, but maybe. I could see their main event losses being a “thanks” moment before they head down there to help train/coach on the job. Won’t be forever, but I can see them against the War Raiders at a Takeover easy.

* Pete Dunne will get called up. Maybe to 205 Live.

* Kairi Sane will get called up.

* I’m going to guess the random signing of Tajiri too. No reason why, I can just see “International” featuring him. He got some attention WrestleMania weekend, and hey, they brought back Rhyno and Shelton.

* I see Cedric Alexander and Buddy Murphy being promoted from 205 Live. Murphy will probably get Raw, given that Alexa is there. So maybe Alexander to SmackDown?

Everything else is up in the air. I always thought Brock would move to SmackDown, but I can’t see him being part of this.
* Corey Graves and Renee Young need to be separated. I'd appreciate it if Graves were to become exclusive to a brand so that we can home someone like Nigel move up to Smackdown.

* 205 Live needs to move to Full Sail because it's dying a slow and painful death. Doesn't matter if it is under the WWE or NXT umbrella.

* The Usos have consistently been one of the best tag team acts in recent times. They need to be featured on RAW so that the 3-hour format becomes more palatable.

* The Intercontinental and United States Championship have gone back and forth so many times that it doesn't matter anymore. Same goes for The Miz. We need more franchise players like AJ Styles and Daniel Bryan, who have a innate association with the blue brand.
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Does anyone really benefit from a brand split? Like, you can point to tiny events like Slater winning a belt, or Becky doing the same when it first happened, but it’s clear Vince has emphasis. Everything else just dilutes.
While the brand specific PPVs weren't as lucrative, it gave talent a chance to perform a bigger stage. I don't know if we would've had The Usos in their current iteration, or AJ Styles and Owens as world champion if it weren't for the second brand extension.
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I am mostly interested to see if they make moves based on the whole Fox wants more sports but less entertainment.

Means you might see some former pros like Mojo and Corbin moved to Smackdown.

I could see New Day to Raw and Seth moved to Smackdown.

Big scary monsters like Lars and Heavy Machinery probably head to Raw.

Solid workers like Ziggler end up on Smackdown.

The best entertainers like Miz probably head back to Raw.

I think Roman and Braun stay on Raw.

I think AJ and Orton stay on Smackdown.

But really, it's WWE and 90% of what they do has zero logic, just whatever Vince decided on most recently, so who knows lol.
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While the brand specific PPVs weren't as lucrative, it gave talent a chance to perform a bigger stage. I don't know if we would've had The Usos in their current iteration, or AJ Styles and Owens as world champion if it weren't for the second brand extension.
But that doesn't make a better show or really help the talent other than giving them a chance to mark out for themselves. I think we'd have gotten an Usos heel turn and an AJ Styles run with the IC Title, which is what the WWE Title is now. Neither him nor Owens were in an appreciably better spot on the card this year as opposed to before their title reigns. In fact, after losing the Universal Title, Owens was challenging for the US Title at that Mania and he wasn't even on the card this year.
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But that doesn't make a better show or really help the talent other than giving them a chance to mark out for themselves. I think we'd have gotten an Usos heel turn and an AJ Styles run with the IC Title, which is what the WWE Title is now. Neither him nor Owens were in an appreciably better spot on the card this year as opposed to before their title reigns. In fact, after losing the Universal Title, Owens was challenging for the US Title at that Mania and he wasn't even on the card this year.
Marking out for themselves? The Intercontinental Championship is the same as the WWE Championship? Boy, what are you smoking?
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What does the content get from Curt Hawkins being on the roster at all? I don't hate the guy or anything, but what else is giving certain talent a chance they wouldn't get if there weren't 300 places be other than giving them a chance to mark out for themselves?

And yes, the WWE Title is basically the IC Title since it's been on SmackDown. It heads the B-show schedule. It has been held by Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt and Jinder Mahal since it's been over there, and has basically been interchangable with the US Title at points (see: Styles vs. Owens and Mahal vs. Orton in 2017, only to become Styles vs. Nakamura and Mahal vs. Orton in 2018, and look where all those people are now).

A promotion only has one World Championship, if any. If you try and spin it like you have two, then you've only got contenders.
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What does the content get from Curt Hawkins being on the roster at all? I don't hate the guy or anything, but what else is giving certain talent a chance they wouldn't get if there weren't 300 places be other than giving them a chance to mark out for themselves?

And yes, the WWE Title is basically the IC Title since it's been on SmackDown. It heads the B-show schedule. It has been held by Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt and Jinder Mahal since it's been over there, and has basically been interchangable with the US Title at points (see: Styles vs. Owens and Mahal vs. Orton in 2017, only to become Styles vs. Nakamura and Mahal vs. Orton in 2018, and look where all those people are now).

A promotion only has one World Championship, if any. If you try and spin it like you have two, then you've only got contenders.
It's like you believe your perception is reality, man.
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Dude, the IC Title has been defended in as many PPVs as the WWE Title since theyíve been doing dual PPVs.
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Here’s something that won’t be reality:

* Vince McMahon opens next week’s show. He announces that with the enforcement of two distinct shows, the McMahons are taking a step back. He says Raw has a new General Manager to lead the charge. Cole... Michael Cole looks surprised. Adam Cole.

Adam Cole then becomes a cocky, but somewhat crowd-pleasing GM that uses The UE to keep order, until it was revealed to all be a scheme for him to take ultimate power.
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Shinsuke Nakamura vs AJ Styles in a “Buddy Murphy on a pole” match with a 60-min time limit. The only way to win is by retrieving Buddy and giving him fellatio. Sara Del Ray comes out of retirement and makes Balor tap like a bitch and becomes the first ever women’s Intercontinental World Heavyweight Champion of the Universe. Bischoff returns as the GM of RAW and brings back T&A...BUT WAIT...could it be? Oh my! It’s TNA! Dixie Carter rides out on a motorbike as Limp Bizkit performs Rollin’ and Johnny Impact waves the flag of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in the ring to great elation while Vince breaks both of his quads in gorilla.
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Psst, when someone makes fun of themselves, it’s bad form to try and lob the same joke at them.
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Shut up, Noid.
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Do better, Dave. Be better. It’s up to you.

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Do better, Dave. Be better. It’s up to you.

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You're terrible. That's all I have to say. Good day.
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Since FOX will need a roster in place with plenty of time to advertise/promote before October I am think what we get on Mon/Tues will likely be MOST of the roster that will be on SDLive on FOX.
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^^^

That being said I think Roman goes to SD

Seth and Kofi switch shows
Balor and Joe switch shows

AJ goes to RAW, DBry stays on SD
Andrade goes to RAW, Rey stays on SD

Usos go to RAW, Rico/Black land on SD

Asuka/Naomi go to RAW, Sonya/Mandy stay on SD
Braun stays on RAW, LARS goes to SD

Orton, Charlotte & Ali stay on SD
Miz goes to RAW

And whenever Brock and Ronda feel like wrestling again they appear on brand blue.
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Would Rollins going to SmackDown mean the Universal Title is turned blue?
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Seth isn't going anywhere. He is Raw. Hope Roman goes to SD though so he isn't making Seth second fiddle. Seth needs to grow and become to face of the WWE.
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I could definitely see Roman on SmackDown. But at the same time, Vince undoubtedly still views him as the face of the company and despite the money FOX is giving them for SmackDown, he’s always gonna view Raw as the flagship and that’s why he’s always going to keep “the guy” there.

That’s why when Cena was christened as the guy in 2005, he never left Raw again during the original brand split. Raw is still Vince’s baby.
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That is exactly why I think Roman, Seth and Balor will go to SD. They are the three most over male face characters on RAW and SD will need time to gear up as the new flagship show in time for the big FOX launch.
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That's just sad and cringeworthy, Noid.

You're the single worst aspect of the wrestling forum bar none. You suck the fun out of everything and just come across as a pathetic and negative individual. I am sure you're just a treat to be around in real life. The tantrums you throw when someone mildly disagrees with you or points out how outlandish your posts are is just sad. I regret every single time I've interacted with you.
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