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Old 01-09-2020, 03:37 AM   #161
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How weirdly defensive? Like, I watched the show this week, chief. But it's so important to you to make up some narrative where I didn't to protect your fandom?

That Stockholm Syndrome point xrod made is looking more and more applicable.
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Old 01-09-2020, 03:39 AM   #162
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Why are AEW fanboys like this?

I mean, I know it's important AEW succeed. I know people are sick of the evil empire. But it's so damn important to AEW fans, if you are going to lobby any sort of criticism at the product, that you must like more than half of it. You have to accept that it is "good" before you proceed with your "but."

I don't think it's good. I wanted it to be good so bad. Soz.
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Old 01-09-2020, 05:04 AM   #163
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Old 01-09-2020, 05:08 AM   #164
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Old 01-09-2020, 05:15 AM   #165
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This was also my first time watching. I also don’t follow WWE and I totally stopped caring or paying attention.

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Old 01-09-2020, 09:20 AM   #167
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It does make me sad how the Lucha Bros feel like complete afterthoughts in the tag division.

I could see them both getting reinvented as singles guys if the company eventually adds a secondary title.
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Old 01-09-2020, 08:46 PM   #168
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Hang on, I'm not "devoted" to NXT, lol. I haven't watched in some time. I just think that WWE obviously have the much better strategy, and I've called bullshit on the anti-WWE rhetoric you see spouted off by Meltzer and Alvarez to make the AEW guys look just and pure and WWE look like disorganized, petty idiots. And that's actually proving to be true. NXT narrowed the gap on AEW and has overtaken them once they cooled off just like I predicted. That's not an opinion or a taste thing -- that's just what's happened.

I don't think my criticisms of AEW are irrational at all. I watched this week, and I fucking hated the show almost in its entirety. Daniels did some fine stuff with Guevara. Jericho is a pretty good actor, but that ending segment went on for fucking YONKS and was exactly the same sort of shit you'd see in WWE. Instead of Mitch the Plant, you've got Jake Hager the Plant. But it's exactly the same shit. The only way this is different to WWE is that WWE would iron a lot of this shit out before it got to television. Yes, it would be sterile and boring -- but it wouldn't be this...bad.

* PAC attacked Michael Nakazawa...for the second time. They just ignored the first time. This doesn't make sense and there's no defense for it. It's just bad creative.

* Brandi Rhodes shitting on her own company on commentary. "She's not an alien." Then why do you present her as an alien? I can't believe I had to type that. "I'd rather take a nap than watch this match." Me too.

* We're not going to do an interference finish. Wait, just kidding -- yes, we are.

* Can any of the women in the division throw a forearm?

* Daniels doing shtick is exactly the sort of thing I'd want to escape from in WWE.

* The Dark Order are still around. Hokey evil villain promo. It'd be mocked in WWE. Their costumes would look better in WWE.

* The Lucha Bros. cannot work US style tags. They were so fucking bad in this match. At one point, Pentagon got back dropped to the apron, landed on his feet and was stunned just because. Then when Dustin got the "hot tag," Pentagon just climbed up to the second rope to get hurricanrana'd off...because.

* MJF starting his promo too early. Love me some MJF, but these fuck-ups are just awkward.

* DDP being one of the most over guys still is sad, but it was good to see him. It wasn't good to see him doing Diamond Cutters underwater and dragging MJF down.

* Best Friends fucking suck. Marko Stunt fucking sucks. This was my first time seeing Luchasaurus in a proper way. He did a lot of kicks and they looked awkward as hell. I like Jungle Boy, but this fucking sucked.

* I know Kip Sabian is actually fucking Penelope Ford, but I've never seen someone who is actually getting laid give off such virgin vibes.

* Main event WWE-style segment that went on too long and was overly complicated. How hard was it to just have Mox say no and kick Jericho's ass?

I'm probably forgetting some shit, but overall I thought this was bad television. A lot of the acts are really bush league and amateurish. A lot of guys really trying to force acts that don't connect. No one really works to the crowd, and shit just happens because.

Oh I dunno... Im pretty sure if we played crappy wrestling Bingo you could attribute almost all of those faults to WWE at some point recently let alone throughout there company history. I mean when it comes to creepy forced characters last I checked the WWE champ wrestled under a red light because hes so spooky...

As far as being forced acts that don't connect I dont think thats unrealistic to expect in a very new company trying to setup who everyone is and what there motivation in the AEW universe is.

I havent seen any AEW yet (not showing in NZ and I havent got to downloading any) but its got my attention, I read results, I follow the social and watch clips because it seems to have promise. All three main WWE shows show at least twice a week on T.V. here and I havent been able to sit through more than 20 minutes of one in years now.
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Old 01-09-2020, 09:43 PM   #169
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I wouldn’t exonerate WWE on any charges. I think Bray Wyatt is terrible. I don’t think that excuses AEW though.
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Old 01-10-2020, 03:55 AM   #170
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And I quote...

"The only way this is different to WWE is that WWE would iron a lot of this shit out before it got to television."

I disagree.
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Old 01-10-2020, 03:46 PM   #171
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Just watched this show..... and by watch, I mean I fast-forwarded through most of it.... stopped and watched the end of the women's match and the Nightmare Collective stuff.... didn't hear Brandi on commentary so I can't say anything about that, but.... I liked the Nightmare Collective stuff and I think it is what the women's division needs to actually make me care about it somewhat.

Beginning to think "less and less" of MJF the more I see him talk... maybe he'll be as good as people are saying he is in a few years, but right now he just isn't.... By the way, it is so weird that Cody wanted MJF so bad, but then is going to take a week to think about it instead of instantly accepting and being "fired up" about it. Also "weird" at how MJF calling Cody out and JR is all "he's not here" when he was literally just in the ring before... he then did try to say he was in the trainer's room, which I can buy I guess.... but then DDP is getting beat down and Dustin comes out... with Cody still nowhere to be seen.... they were in the same match, why couldn't Cody run out there too?

Also didn't mention this last week, but not a fan of Arn Anderson being Cody's manager..... I know I said I liked the Nightmare Collective stuff, but Brandi (and Cody) would have been much better off staying as Cody's valet. I know Arn is a "legend", but Cody looks more "legit" with a hot braud by his side than an old man, and also with Brandi out there they could still announce him as CODY with brandi RHODES!!!


Really like Samy Guvera's sign promo during commercials....


The Mox/Jericho thing went on way too long, it was obvious that Mox was gonna say no. Hopefully with all this out of the way they can get this feud back on track and make it a good one. I'm one of the only ones here who seemed to really enjoy their WWE feud and matches, so I'm looking forward to it.
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:08 PM   #172
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Old 01-10-2020, 04:14 PM   #173
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Apparently the Nightmare Collective stuff ended up being one of the few things that actually increased viewers during the show.

Also ended up being more popular than what NXT was airing at the same time and their women's match prior to it.

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The second quarter saw AEW lost 69,000 viewers for the ending of Omega & Page vs. Private Party and the post-match stuff. NXT lost 48,000 viewers for the bulk of the women’s six-person and a Tommaso Ciampa video package.

The third quarter saw AEW gain 17,000 viewers for Riho vs. Kris Statlander and all the post-match stuff with the Nightmare Collective. NXT lost 48,000 for The Forgotten Sons vs. Imperium in the Dusty Rhodes tag team tournament.
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Old 01-10-2020, 06:06 PM   #174
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Feel like that probably has more to do with the Forgotten Sons vs. Imperium match on NXT
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Old 01-10-2020, 07:16 PM   #175
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That helped as well since going by the Observer's breakdowns, NXT went straight downwards during the entire show except for the over run.

AEW had a few gains to prevent the same from happening and only one in the first hour which was that women's title match with the Nightmare Collective's shenanigans.
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Haven’t been watching for a while now as I’ve soured on AEW. I watched the Moxley/Jericho segment though. Thought it was great. Yeah, it was cliche but that’s not always necessarily an issue in wrestling. Especially when the performers are as good as Jericho and Moxley. Moxley is the kind of star I’ve missed in wrestling and I’m actually invested in his quest to take the title off of Jericho.

Still can’t bring myself to care about the Darby Allins, Joey Janelas, etc. And from reading results, it seems like they’re still way too intent on nearly every match being ultra competitive. But as for the main event, I wanna follow this story and I really wanna see the match.
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Also, has Jake Hager actually wrestled yet?
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Old 01-11-2020, 10:28 AM   #178
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Nah, Hager hasn't wrestled. Don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
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And I quote...

"The only way this is different to WWE is that WWE would iron a lot of this shit out before it got to television."

I disagree.
All I mean by that is you would never, ever, ever in a million years see The Dark Order on WWE television. Some stuff ends up bad/boring (most stuff), but they don't let amateurish shit like that float by too often.
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Nah, Hager hasn't wrestled. Don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
Not at all. Build him up as a special attraction. The last thing I wanna see is him struggling on a weekly basis to put away midgets.
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Feel like that probably has more to do with the Forgotten Sons vs. Imperium match on NXT
I think partly it is WWE or Triple H assuming NXT UK is at the same level of awareness as NXT.

I'm a pretty big wrestling fan, but when NXT UK people show up, they are mostly treated as if we all know who they are, which is a mistake.

Imperium for example, I know Walter, and I know Wolfe from Sanity, but I wouldn't recognize Fabian if he was talking to me, and I can't even think of the other guy's name right now.

Kaylee Ray, had no idea who she was before she showed up on NXT like it was a huge deal.

I think WWE thinks they are using NXT UK people for star power, but most of them don't have any unless you really watch UK wrestling.

Pair that with putting the unknowns up against jobbers like the Forgotten Sons, well of course people are going to check out the alternative. I certainly did.
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:16 PM   #182
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I don't think the NXT UK thing is helping them at all. WALTER on TV is always a good thing, but yeah. I don't know what is wrong with running the Cole/Ciampa story with Gargano/Balor underneath and whatever they have planned for the Tag Titles? Feels like a forced story right now.
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Old 01-11-2020, 01:27 PM   #183
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I mean, to me not knowing who the UK guys are is pretty much the same as not knowing who the Japanese or random indy guys are and just being told they are a big deal
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Yeah, no doubt. I dunno what it is, but something just irks me about the British wrestling scene. I do like Pete Dunne and Tyler Bate, and of course Toni Storm is welcome, but there's just something so...indy about them.
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Old 01-11-2020, 02:37 PM   #185
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Yeah, no doubt. I dunno what it is, but something just irks me about the British wrestling scene. I do like Pete Dunne and Tyler Bate, and of course Toni Storm is welcome, but there's just something so...indy about them.
Yes, Toni Storm, as much as possible.
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Old 01-11-2020, 02:55 PM   #186
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All I mean by that is you would never, ever, ever in a million years see The Dark Order on WWE television. Some stuff ends up bad/boring (most stuff), but they don't let amateurish shit like that float by too often.
That's a crock of shit. They totally do.
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I think partly it is WWE or Triple H assuming NXT UK is at the same level of awareness as NXT.

I'm a pretty big wrestling fan, but when NXT UK people show up, they are mostly treated as if we all know who they are, which is a mistake.

Imperium for example, I know Walter, and I know Wolfe from Sanity, but I wouldn't recognize Fabian if he was talking to me, and I can't even think of the other guy's name right now.

Kaylee Ray, had no idea who she was before she showed up on NXT like it was a huge deal.

I think WWE thinks they are using NXT UK people for star power, but most of them don't have any unless you really watch UK wrestling.

Pair that with putting the unknowns up against jobbers like the Forgotten Sons, well of course people are going to check out the alternative. I certainly did.
NXT UK pretty much took over NXT's spot of WWE ignoring its existence unless the brand is needed for a storyline or big reason.

Also doesn't help that WWE has been terrible at developing any sort of real bridge between the NXT brands and NXT with the main roster over the years.
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It does make me sad how the Lucha Bros feel like complete afterthoughts in the tag division.

I could see them both getting reinvented as singles guys if the company eventually adds a secondary title.
Terrible take, because either one is a legitimate world champion if booked properly.
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