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Old 10-25-2018, 10:32 AM   #281
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Follow up question: if your mother was on vacation in Mexico and her hotel room was broken into and she was brutally raped for hours, is that bad or would you not care?
Yeah that's bad and I'd tell my Mom not to go to Mexico. She'd never want to go to Mexico though. That's a complete different scenario though, had this journalist been of any relation to me I'd care about it yeah but that's not the case.
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Old 10-25-2018, 10:34 AM   #282
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Duh but its too big to care about every damn thing that goes on around it. Is that what you guys are hung up on?
It’s too big? So you made the decision that your country is just the right size to be able to care about? If someone came to you and said “I only care about the northwest United States.” Would you be like “That’s silly. You can care about more.” Then when they’re like “Yeah. Maybe I’ll care about all of North America” would you be like “Nah. Too much to be able to care about. Just this one country is the sweet spot.”?
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Old 10-25-2018, 10:38 AM   #283
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Yeah that's bad and I'd tell my Mom not to go to Mexico. She'd never want to go to Mexico though. That's a complete different scenario though, had this journalist been of any relation to me I'd care about it yeah but that's not the case.
So when Natalee Holloway, an innocent American citizen who you don’t know, went to Aruba and was abducted and either sold into sex slavery or murdered back in 2005, was that bad or did you not care?
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REALLY trying to help you understand this. I know they’re all part of America. Just like all other countries are part of earth for us. It doesn’t make sense to you to narrow it down to your state, city, etc. because it’s all part of America. It doesn’t make sense to you us to narrow it down to those things either... OR to our country. Because those are all part of our planet.
I understand what you are saying, we're all on earth yeah. Thats common sense. I don't have to care or pay attention to everything that goes wrong around the world when they're injustices like this one that happen over here all the time.
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It’s too big? So you made the decision that your country is just the right size to be able to care about? If someone came to you and said “I only care about the northwest United States.” Would you be like “That’s silly. You can care about more.” Then when they’re like “Yeah. Maybe I’ll care about all of North America” would you be like “Nah. Too much to be able to care about. Just this one country is the sweet spot.”?
No I'd say that's cool, care about what you want. There is no sweet spot or anything like that.
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I understand what you are saying, we're all on earth yeah. Thats common sense. I don't have to care or pay attention to everything that goes wrong around the world when they're injustices like this one that happen over here all the time.
Okay. But why do you stop narrowing it down when you reach America? Why not narrow it down further? You have to understand by now that “My city, state, region, etc. are all part of America.” doesn’t answer that question.
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So when Natalee Holloway, an innocent American citizen who you don’t know, went to Aruba and was abducted and either sold into sex slavery or murdered back in 2005, was that bad or did you not care?
Never heard about it, was it bad yeah. She should have stayed in America it sounds like. I'm not saying Saudi Arabia is good but its not of my concern nor my position to judge their rulers.
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Okay. But why do you stop narrowing it down when you reach America? Why not narrow it down further? You have to understand by now that “My city, state, region, etc. are all part of America.” doesn’t answer that question.
Why doesn't it? I care about my city, state, region same as I do my country. I'm not narrowing anything down, I think that's you doing that. I just choose not to concern myself with stuff half way around the world.
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You choose to only care about stuff in your country. You're literally narrowing down what you care about to things happening in your country. You can't be serious when you say "I'm not narrowing anything down". That's the entire discussion.
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And the reason "They're all part of America" doesn't answer the question is the same reason the following conversation doesn't make sense:

"I'll only date women who own 17 or fewer pairs of shoes."

"That seems like and oddly arbitrary number. Why 17 specifically? Why not 13 pairs of shoes? Or 9? Or 4?"

"Well 13, 9 and 4 are all fewer 17."

"I know but I'm saying 17 pairs of shoes seems like an arbitrary number of shoes to care about a woman having. Why 17 and why not narrow it down to, say 12? Or 6?"

"12 and 6 are fewer than 17."

"... I know that. That doesn't answer my question."

"Why doesn't it?"
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Do you honestly follow everything that goes on in the world? Hell I don't even follow everything that goes on in America but those things are closer to home. I just don't see any reason to concern myself with foreign affairs. You're the one that started with the narrowing down of stuff down to states and regions and such not me, I'm just a normal American that cares about America like most others.
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Let’s just take this to it’s logical extreme. Simple Fan, was the Holocaust bad or is that something you don’t care about it because it happened halfway around the world to non-Americans?
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Never heard about it, was it bad yeah. She should have stayed in America it sounds like. I'm not saying Saudi Arabia is good but its not of my concern nor my position to judge their rulers.
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The American Left only cares about Saudi Arabia now because Trump is in power, period. They ignore atrocities all over the world to push their agenda. If Trump came out strong against Saudi Arabia they'd call him an Islamaphobe.
As I said. The whole world is pretty terrible on human rights, but people like Noid only care about wrasslin' and their shitty domestic politics.

The only reason they're pretending to care about Saudi Arabia now and not from 2009-2016 is because of who is in power.
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And the reason "They're all part of America" doesn't answer the question is the same reason the following conversation doesn't make sense:

"I'll only date women who own 17 or fewer pairs of shoes."

"That seems like and oddly arbitrary number. Why 17 specifically? Why not 13 pairs of shoes? Or 9? Or 4?"

"Well 13, 9 and 4 are all fewer 17."

"I know but I'm saying 17 pairs of shoes seems like an arbitrary number of shoes to care about a woman having. Why 17 and why not narrow it down to, say 12? Or 6?"

"12 and 6 are fewer than 17."

"... I know that. That doesn't answer my question."

"Why doesn't it?"
You've lost me with this one but what if you ask this guy about a woman with 18 pairs of shoes? Will he say 18 is higher than 17? Maybe the guy just likes women with 17 pairs of shoes.
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Do you honestly follow everything that goes on in the world? Hell I don't even follow everything that goes on in America but those things are closer to home. I just don't see any reason to concern myself with foreign affairs. You're the one that started with the narrowing down of stuff down to states and regions and such not me, I'm just a normal American that cares about America like most others.
Firstly, I don't follow everything that goes on anywhere. When something does come to my attention though, I don't base my thoughts and feelings on whether it was in my country or not.

Secondly, yes. I brought up the phrasing of "narrowing down" things. I don't know why that's so relevant. You are narrowing down what you care about to your country. You've admitted that. You can't possibly say you aren't at this point. Seriously. There's no level of misunderstanding that I can possibly imagine where you can say you only care about stuff that happens in your country but you're not narrowing down what you care about to a specific part of the world. Can we at least get past this roadblock? I'm trying to have a nice conversation here but if you can't agree that you're narrowing down what you care about from the world to your own country then... My God... I don't even know where to go from here.
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Let’s just take this to it’s logical extreme. Simple Fan, was the Holocaust bad or is that something you don’t care about it because it happened halfway around the world to non-Americans?
The holocaust was bad but I still don't care about it. Hated sophomore year of highschool because I'd go from English where we were reading Ann Frank to History where we talked about WW2 and felt burnt out hearing about the Jews suffering.

Just because something is bad doesn't mean I have to care about it.
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The holocaust was bad but I still don't care about it. Hated sophomore year of highschool because I'd go from English where we were reading Ann Frank to History where we talked about WW2 and felt burnt out hearing about the Jews suffering.

Just because something is bad doesn't mean I have to care about it.
I'm personally much more offended that you gave Supreme such clear, cut-and-dry response while I'm having to pull teeth than I am about you not caring about millions of innocent Jews being murdered.
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The holocaust was bad but I still don't care about it. Hated sophomore year of highschool because I'd go from English where we were reading Ann Frank to History where we talked about WW2 and felt burnt out hearing about the Jews suffering.

Just because something is bad doesn't mean I have to care about it.
You know what? Props to you for being consistent.
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Firstly, I don't follow everything that goes on anywhere. When something does come to my attention though, I don't base my thoughts and feelings on whether it was in my country or not.

Secondly, yes. I brought up the phrasing of "narrowing down" things. I don't know why that's so relevant. You are narrowing down what you care about to your country. You've admitted that. You can't possibly say you aren't at this point. Seriously. There's no level of misunderstanding that I can possibly imagine where you can say you only care about stuff that happens in your country but you're not narrowing down what you care about to a specific part of the world. Can we at least get past this roadblock? I'm trying to have a nice conversation here but if you can't agree that you're narrowing down what you care about from the world to your own country then... My God... I don't even know where to go from here.
If you want to look at it as me narrowing down I guess you can. I have no problem with you seeing it that way. Yeah stuff that goes on in America is going to be more important to me than other things, if that's narrowing down so be it.
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I'm personally much more offended that you gave Supreme such clear, cut-and-dry response while I'm having to pull teeth than I am about you not caring about millions of innocent Jews being murdered.
Supreme's question was a layup. Yours have been more complex than was this bad.
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You know what? Props to you for being consistent.
Thanks, I'm not going to lie and say something matters to me just because most of you don't agree.
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If you want to look at it as me narrowing down I guess you can. I have no problem with you seeing it that way. Yeah stuff that goes on in America is going to be more important to me than other things, if that's narrowing down so be it.
It is though. It's not just me "seeing it that way". It is. By definition. There's a lot of countries. You care about the goings on of one. You've literally narrowed down what you care about from the entire world to one country. Why are you being so defensive about that phrasing?
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It is though. It's not just me "seeing it that way". It is. By definition. There's a lot of countries. You care about the goings on of one. You've literally narrowed down what you care about from the entire world to one country. Why are you being so defensive about that phrasing?
Am I being defensive? The one country I care about is the one I live in. How do you not understand that. Why should I care about anther country?
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This is a weird roadblock to be stuck at. There's a field of all countries to care about. You've... cut... down the field to one? Does that phrasing work better for you? Can you agree to that?
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Supreme's question was a layup. Yours have been more complex than was this bad.
I feel like "Do you agree that only caring about the one country you live in as opposed to all the countries of the world is narrowing down which parts of the world you care about?" should be a layup. Like... Michael Jordan in a bathtub with one of those toy basketball hoops for 3 year olds level layup.
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Am I being defensive? The one country I care about is the one I live in. How do you not understand that. Why should I care about anther country?
Fan. Forget about why. I don't care why right now. I understand the one country you care about is the one you live in. Forget all of that.

I'm trying to make you understand something but your refusal to acknowledge the fact that caring about only the one country you live and not all others is an act of narrowing down what you choose to care about is where we're stuck at right now.

I don't need you to tell me what you care about again. I don't need you to try to start a discourse about why you should care about another country. That's all irrelevant to this one thing I'm trying to get out of you so I can move on to the main point I'm trying to explain to you.

You have a world to potentially care about. While others might care about the entire world, you've narrowed it down to your country as far as what you actually care about. Is that a fair assessment?
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Fan. Forget about why. I don't care why right now. I understand the one country you care about is the one you live in. Forget all of that.

I'm trying to make you understand something but your refusal to acknowledge the fact that caring about only the one country you live and not all others is an act of narrowing down what you choose to care about is where we're stuck at right now.

I don't need you to tell me what you care about again. I don't need you to try to start a discourse about why you should care about another country. That's all irrelevant to this one thing I'm trying to get out of you so I can move on to the main point I'm trying to explain to you.

You have a world to potentially care about. While others might care about the entire world, you've narrowed it down to your country as far as what you actually care about. Is that a fair assessment?
Yeah that's fair and has been obvious this whole conversation. Not sure what you are hung up on or what you're missing.
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Yeah that's fair and has been obvious this whole conversation. Not sure what you are hung up on or what you're missing.
I genuinely believe people have a problem with honesty. You are admitting to something a lot of people believe but don't say.

I have an emotional connection to the Holocaust. As a child learning about it was my first glimpse of what evil looked like. However, there have been terrible atrocities committed throughout history and I don't have an emotional response to them. No normal human being is going to be upset about some murdered people from 700 AD. That shit is ancient history.

I still feel for victims of oppression and senseless violence across the world, but not nearly as much as my neighbors. Proximity breeds empathy.
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I'm hung up on it because you said this early on the page...

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I'm not narrowing anything down, I think that's you doing that.
and then took half the page to finally admit that wasn't the case.

But now that you've said it's fair and even obvious that you're narrowing down what you care about...

When I say you could narrow it down further and only care about your region or your state or your county or your city or your street, I'm pointing out that it's trivial that you narrow it down from the world to your country (which you just admitted you're doing) and then you just stop narrowing it down right there.

When I ask you why you choose to narrow it down to that and then stop narrowing it down further and you say "Well those things are part of America", it makes no... sense. It doesn't answer the question. I'm well aware that those things are part of America. If you're going to narrow down what you care about, why not keep going past all of America and saying "I'm from (whatever state you live in) so I only care about what's going on in that state"?
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Dude you need to let this go. Tonnes of people have views on the world for the most trivial reasons. It’s not hard to understand that the guy cares more about issues at home rather than in the wider world; there are political parties/campaigns built solely on that idea.

I don’t agree with his viewpoint at all, but I can understand it. I can also understand why he can’t explain to you in a satisfactory way the rationale behind his thinking; he’s got a narrow point of view.
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At this point I'm just trying to get him to understand that it's trivial. And why "but my street, city, state, etc. are part of America" isn't a proper response. I'd take an "Aww, I get it now. Yeah, I guess it's trivial. Whatever." right now. Forget his narrow point of view at this point. Just wanna get out of this "Who's on First" routine.
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I'd also like to ask about whether he cares about shit that happens in Alaska and Hawaii but I'm afraid that would lead to another one.
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Do you know this for fact or just another news story you chose to believe? That's all I'm saying is I don't know what goes down over there and today's media is not trustworthy enough to take their word.
But yet you're choosing to believe the positive stuff about Saudi Arabia when the media reports it.
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It's kinda like:

Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these bad things.

Simple Fan: I don't believe it. The media is not trustworthy enough.

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Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these good things.

Simple Fan: Cool. What a progressive country.
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It's kinda like:

Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these bad things.

Simple Fan: I don't believe it. The media is not trustworthy enough.

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Media: Saudi Arabia are doing all these good things.

Simple Fan: Cool. What a progressive country.
It's different when said media is WWE.
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But yet you're choosing to believe the positive stuff about Saudi Arabia when the media reports it.
He doesn't listen to positive media reports from the media either. Pretty sure he said the positive news he's believing is from WWE's Saudi propaganda video.
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