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Old 10-12-2018, 08:16 PM   #2281
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Raw loses Impact Wrestling's fanbase each week.
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Old 10-12-2018, 08:40 PM   #2282
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Impact Wrestling just got its time slot knocked back to 10pm. Viewership means shit these days, right?
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Harold Meij has denied reports that talent is unhappy, but said something weird. Something about treatment of talent varies. He also praised Tama Tonga who defended teh company, and Meij said he got no prompting. It feels...odd. I don't think Meltz would make it up, and he wouldn't say "people you wouldn't think would leave are thinking about it" for no reason, but Meij's response is, like, why make a mountain?

It's going to be an interesting space to watch.
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My Imoact thread alone is proof more people are interested. They've been way more successful this year than in years past, did you not read the part about selling tickets and doing live events. I'm not saying their doing big numbers but the company has rebounded and are headed in the right direction.
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The 10/4 edition of Impact did 183,000 overnight viewers down from last week's 190,000 overnight viewers. Obviously that is not the way they want the numbers to go.
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Viewership for Impact Wrestling has taken a big hit since July with their last 11 weeks of programming averaging 227,000 viewers going back to July 26th. In the 11-week period prior to that, the show was averaging 283,000 viewers and dropped 20%. While the return of Thursday night football can explain the audience being down to a degree, the plunge began in August prior to football. It’s a mystery what led to the decline because buzz for the product was its highest in years following Slammiversary but after a one-week grace period, the audience dropped dramatically.
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Indies Roundup:

On the newest edition of the National Wrestling Alliance's YouTube series, Jim Cornette discusses the legacy of the NWA title, Cody vs. Nick Aldis for the championship next weekend and more leading into the NWA 70th Anniversary event, which will air live on Fite.TV

The [MLW] promotion is finalizing the location of its 2/2 Superfight which will see Low Ki vs. Tom Lawlor headline for the MLW Championship. The plan is to make this a major marquee event for the company, running Superbowl weekend every year. We are told that the first event will not be held in NYC. They are looking at venues in the Northeast and Mid-West. The hope is to officially announce the market and venue in early November.

[MLW] Management absolutely loves Marko Stunt and are planning for him to be used regularly by the company. There’s even been early discussions of building an entire division around him.

Bar Wrestling has a show on 10/17 called Breastlemania. The show will benefit the Susan Love Foundation for breast cancer research and has Tessa Blanchard vs. Brian Cage, Penelope Ford vs. Shotzi Blackheart vs. Heather Monroe vs. Indi Hartwell, Scarlett Bordeaux & Katrina vs. Ruby Raze & Sage Sin and Nicole Savoy vs. Diamante.

AAW will be running a card tonight at 9 pm Eastern from Austin, Texas and will be streaming it live on Twitch with the following card: Brody King & Jimmy Jacobs vs. Sami Callihan & Darby Allin, ACH vs. Eddie Kingston, Trevor Lee vs. Rich Swann for the Heritage title, Aaron Solow & Ricky Starks vs. Mat Fitchett & Davey Vega, Myron Reed & AR Fox vs. Dezmond Xavier & Zachary Wentz, Thunder Rosa vs. Kylie Ray, Laredo Kid vs. Jason Cade, Steven Wolf & Pacu vs. Curt Stallion.
NWA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEuc25IpREk , AAW: https://www.twitch.tv/aawpro

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BREAKING: Father James Mitchell will induct @TherealAbyss into the IMPACT Hall of Fame as it streams TOMORROW live on Twitch.

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— IMPACT (@IMPACTWRESTLING) October 12, 2018

Impact Wrestling will live stream their Hall of Fame induction of Abyss tomorrow night on their Twitch channel, it was announced this afternoon

Jim Mitchell, Abyss' storyline father and long-time manager, will be officially inducting the former NWA Champion into the company's Hall of Fame at the ceremony, which will take place tomorrow night at McHale's Pub in NYC.
Link: https://twitter.com/IMPACTWRESTLING/...32828827226114

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The 12/26 WWE Live Event at Madison Square Garden, which was advertised as a Smackdown Live has been changed to a Raw brand show..

The new lineup for the traditional day after Christmas event features:
*Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman in a Steel Cage match for the Universal Championship
*Seth Rollins & Dean Ambrose vs. Dolph Ziggler & Drew McIntyre for the RAW Tag Team Championships
*Ronda Rousey vs. Mickie James for the RAW Women's Championship

Also advertised to appear are Finn Balor, Kevin Owens, Bobby Lashley, Elias, Jinder Mahal, Alexa Bliss, Bayley and more.
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NEW JAPAN SUPER JUNIOR TAG TEAM TOURNAMENT STARTS TUESDAY AT 5:30 A.M. EASTERN FROM TOKYO KORAKUEN HALL ON NEW JAPAN WORLD
Toa Henare & Shota Umino & Ren Narita vs. Ayato Yoshida & Yota Tsuji & Yuya Uemura
Hiroshi Tanahashi & Togi Makabe & Tomoaki Honma vs. Kota Ibushi & Yujiro Takahashi & Chase Owens
Kazuchika Okada & Toru Yano & Baretta & Chuckie T vs. Jay White & Bad Luck Fale & Tama Tonga & Tanga Loa
Taiji Ishimori & Robbie Eagles vs. Jushin Liger & Tiger Mask
Ryusuke Taguchi &ACH vs. Volador Jr. & Soberano Jr.
Kushida & Chris Sabin vs. Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Desperado
Bushi & Shingo Takagi vs. Sho & Yoh
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Several major media sources including Viacom, The New York Times and Los Angeles Times have pulled out of a Saudi Arabian media conference and Fox Business is examining the situation. This puts more pressure on WWE because it makes it look like they can't make a moral stand and it will be a very bad reflection to the pubic of the image of WWE as a company.
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Regarding the tweet where Khabib Nurmagomedov said he was in talks with WWE, officials at WWE say that is not the case. Nurmagomedov is under contract to UFC and UFC contracts prohibit talent from doing pro wrestling without clearing it with the company.
Link: https://twitter.com/TeamKhabib/statu...39801769058305

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Triple H believes that WWE chief Vince McMahon has never watched a full episode of his own developmental brand NXT.

The revelation will come as little surprise to fans who have criticised Vince and WWE for the treatment of NXT stars once they’re called up to the main roster.

Triple H made the comments in London while announcing the debut of NXT UK – which airs on the WWE Network next Wednesday October 17.

But Triple H also says that Vince’s outsider view of NXT is a good thing – and helps him see the brand and its superstars objectively.

He said: “I don’t know that he’s ever even watched a full episode of NXT start to finish. He’s busy.”

But “The Game” says he’s always amazed by how much insight Vince has on the product and superstars from watching just snippets.

Triple H said: “He will pick up a lot from bits and pieces from what he sees. To me it’s always amazing – his insight of things.

“I realise he just saw a snippet but what he will say about that snippet is a bigger overall arc to the entire product, and I’m like, ‘That’s really right.’ I think it’s great that he doesn’t see all of it because it gives him a different perspective. It gives him an outsider view on it.”
Link: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/74774...ce-mcmahon-nxt

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A return to WWE has been rumored for Rey Mysterio since he was a surprise entrant in the 2018 Men's Royal Rumble Match in January and it will finally happen next week.

WWE announced this week that Mysterio will square off with United States Champion Shinsuke Nakamura in a WWE World Cup Qualifying Match on next Tuesday's historic 1000th episode of SmackDown LIVE in Washington D.C. Mysterio is advertised to wrestle twice on the show as WWE revealed tonight in an email to those in the D.C. area that he will also compete in a tag team match.

In updated advertising for the event, Mysterio is slated to team with WWE Champion AJ Styles and Daniel Bryan against Randy Orton, The Miz, and Nakamura. A match pitting Styles and Bryan against Samoa Joe and Miz was previously advertised.
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On the debut episode of Vince Russo: Truth with Consequences with Matt Koon on the Westwood One Podcast Network, Vince Russo discussed his booking philosophy, time with WCW and more. You can check out the podcast on iTunes, they sent us these highlights ...

The decision to book himself winning the WCW World title:

"The week of the show in the creative meeting the decision was made. The people in the booking meeting all thought the same. The goal is to get as many eyeballs as possible on the show. Everybody on the creative side was looking at it as TV show rather than a wrestling show. I put the WWE title on [Vince] McMahon, the WCW title on [David] Arquette, another WCW title on [Eric] Bischoff. Why? We are looking to create stories and not for the wrestling fan, for the casual wrestling fan."
More highlights: https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/20...-world-646684/

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Jeff Cobb spoke with the Baltimore Sun on recently winning the ROH World TV title, his top career moments, picking ROH over other promotions, and if he had any offers from other companies. Here are some of the highlights ...

Picking ROH over other companies:

"I definitely want to wrestle more in New Japan. Ring of Honor has that great relationship with them. New Japan guys are on ROH TV, and ROH guys are out on New Japan shows. The schedules don't conflict that often. That's definitely a big factor that made me want to sign with Ring of Honor."
More highlights: https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/20...act-in-646682/


Some other sheet news includes:
  • For those interested, PWI had a recent article detailing WWE's current dilemma with their Crown Jewel event and Saudi contract following the recent embassy controversy. PWI's Mike Johnson looked at the situation from both a business and journalistic perspective. https://www.pwinsider.com/article/12...-what.html?p=1
  • Update on recent NJPW low locker room morale news as NJPW's president debunked the Observer's claims of morale being near an all-time low and the person mentioned in the report being a big cause of the controversy. Meltzer responded to criticism stating it was none of the Elite guys who were his sources nor was it just a ploy to increase certain guys value in NJPW. Origin of the controversy seems to be based on Kevin Kelly blurting out Craven's name during a broadcast which some assumed was likely a simple mistake by Kelly. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.red...the_wrong_guy/ , https://www.resetera.com/threads/oct...#post-13739697
  • Recent rumor going around the net hints WWE is already planning to hold separate Takeover events for their NXT UK brand.
  • According to ShowBuzz Daily, this week's episode of Lucha Underground drew around 84k viewers.

Some stuff from TPWW Frontpage:
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:31 PM   #2286
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My Imoact thread alone is proof more people are interested. They've been way more successful this year than in years past, did you not read the part about selling tickets and doing live events. I'm not saying their doing big numbers but the company has rebounded and are headed in the right direction.
Your Impact thread proves nothing. I bet it's mainly you talking to yourself. Selling tickets and doing live events is the bare minimum a wrestling promotion could do. I bet you they are even attended by a few hundred of the same people. Let's give them 1,000 (reports indicate 350 for a taping, but whatever). They sell tickets at $50 and run four times a week. That's $208,000 a year off ticket sales alone! That's more than $1 a viewer! These guys are clearly killing it!

What does "rebounded" even mean? They are still on Pop TV, still have no viewers, still have no interest and still have Eli Drake. It's TNA. It's beyond a joke at this point. Let it die so John Morrison goes back to WWE and...well, I think he's the only person I give a shit about there. Well, maybe Scarlett Bordeaux.
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I can explain why the Impact viewership is down. Internet wrestling fans are nerds. We live in a bubble. We talk to each other and reverberate the same, often completely misguided, opinions to each other. There are people who thought the "Woken" Matt Hardy stuff would be huge. Why? Because nerds on the nerdiest corners of the wrestling's internet forums liked it, because they have been brow-beat into liking shit just because it's not the bland vanilla they are being served up by WWE.

But they confuse dog shit with chocolate. All the time. "Broken" Matt fucking SUCKED. He was a weird-sounded goof with putting on a weird voice saying words over and over again playing with a drone. It was bush league as fuck and the only people who like that sort of thing are the only people who like that sort of thing. Wrestling nerds. Some of them are in the business, some of them are on the message boards, but NO ONE outside that cares.

Impact Wrestling SUCKS. It is awful. It has been that way for years, and it was that way when it was officially TNA, and the combined efforts of the brain trust over there literally -- fuck, not even decimated, that means destroying 1 in 10 -- they destroyed 9 in 10 of their fans. And it is awful now. Eddie Edwards and Sami Callihan had a fight to Final Cut Pro mood music. It's bush league. Hey, just like Broken Matt Hardy. That worked though, right? Wrong. They had about 300,000 viewers then, and all the people it appealed to never made a damn bit of difference. By the way, The Hardy Boyz return at WrestleMania 33 and that YouTube video has more hits in a hour than all of the Broken stuff ever got put together.

We live in a bubble. We get excited about stuff. It's cute. But it does not reflect reality. TNA is still fucking terrible. It's still burning out its audience and it still has no clue what it really wants to be, and the stuff it is sure about SUCKS. Eli Drake, Sami Callihan and Eddie Edwards, Moose, Don Callis on commentary (probably) -- it's awful. I saw one YouTube clip and it made me want to punch my computer it was that bad. And when people watch that on TV, they think "Oh, this is fucking awful. Isn't wrestling a waste of time," and they turn off their TV.

TL;DR: TNA is losing viewers because it continues to suck. Bad television turns people off.
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Fucking Vince Russo with a new podcast. I liked Matt Koon enough too. "It was all about getting ratings, bro!" How did that go for ya, you fucking dumb cunt?
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I can explain why the Impact viewership is down. Internet wrestling fans are nerds. We live in a bubble. We talk to each other and reverberate the same, often completely misguided, opinions to each other. There are people who thought the "Woken" Matt Hardy stuff would be huge. Why? Because nerds on the nerdiest corners of the wrestling's internet forums liked it, because they have been brow-beat into liking shit just because it's not the bland vanilla they are being served up by WWE.

But they confuse dog shit with chocolate. All the time. "Broken" Matt fucking SUCKED. He was a weird-sounded goof with putting on a weird voice saying words over and over again playing with a drone. It was bush league as fuck and the only people who like that sort of thing are the only people who like that sort of thing. Wrestling nerds. Some of them are in the business, some of them are on the message boards, but NO ONE outside that cares.

Impact Wrestling SUCKS. It is awful. It has been that way for years, and it was that way when it was officially TNA, and the combined efforts of the brain trust over there literally -- fuck, not even decimated, that means destroying 1 in 10 -- they destroyed 9 in 10 of their fans. And it is awful now. Eddie Edwards and Sami Callihan had a fight to Final Cut Pro mood music. It's bush league. Hey, just like Broken Matt Hardy. That worked though, right? Wrong. They had about 300,000 viewers then, and all the people it appealed to never made a damn bit of difference. By the way, The Hardy Boyz return at WrestleMania 33 and that YouTube video has more hits in a hour than all of the Broken stuff ever got put together.

We live in a bubble. We get excited about stuff. It's cute. But it does not reflect reality. TNA is still fucking terrible. It's still burning out its audience and it still has no clue what it really wants to be, and the stuff it is sure about SUCKS. Eli Drake, Sami Callihan and Eddie Edwards, Moose, Don Callis on commentary (probably) -- it's awful. I saw one YouTube clip and it made me want to punch my computer it was that bad. And when people watch that on TV, they think "Oh, this is fucking awful. Isn't wrestling a waste of time," and they turn off their TV.

TL;DR: TNA is losing viewers because it continues to suck. Bad television turns people off.
You act as if this company is trying to beat WWE at something. Of course a video posted by WWE is going to get more views than Impact's. You're wrong when you say they don't know what they want to be, a year ago I would have agreed but they've found an identity this year. They've focused on being an alternative which is how it should have always been.
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Your Impact thread proves nothing. I bet it's mainly you talking to yourself. Selling tickets and doing live events is the bare minimum a wrestling promotion could do. I bet you they are even attended by a few hundred of the same people. Let's give them 1,000 (reports indicate 350 for a taping, but whatever). They sell tickets at $50 and run four times a week. That's $208,000 a year off ticket sales alone! That's more than $1 a viewer! These guys are clearly killing it!

What does "rebounded" even mean? They are still on Pop TV, still have no viewers, still have no interest and still have Eli Drake. It's TNA. It's beyond a joke at this point. Let it die so John Morrison goes back to WWE and...well, I think he's the only person I give a shit about there. Well, maybe Scarlett Bordeaux.
A year ago it was but there have been more posters poping in and talking about the show this year. Hell, Jordan X is going to BFG. As I've said they're not doing big numbers but they're making some money this year when in previous years they weren't.

As Ive also said you really don't understand how bad 2017 was. The lone bright spot for the company last year was Eli Drake. With your opinion of Eli Drake just think about that.
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No, I'm not trying to act like the company is trying to beat WWE at anything. I'm saying that internet fans blow its effectiveness as an "active" entity to proportions it is not. We will see how many paid attendance and PPV buys or whatever BFG gets. And we'll see how long this "money" experiment lasts, because running on fumes and the goodwill towards The Jackyl is not going to last forever.

And how bad 2017 was has nothing to do with how LolTNA it is in 2018. You know what's sad? It could even get good and it'd be interesting to see if it even makes a difference. Faith has been broken. TNA has well and truly jumped the shark. I'm sure Callis tries and gets Jericho in to reciprocate lending talent for the cruise and because they're buds, if Jericho can get away with it because New Japan and Vince McMahon both still hate their guts. Well, Vince might be easing up now that they are a complete non-factor. But I imagine that gets no higher than 300,000 viewers, and the moment it reminds them that they are TNA, they will tune out.
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Is selling out a 1,200 seat theater for your "biggest show of the year" really an accomplishment and indicator of "improvement" or "success" when your company has been around for some 15+ years?
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It is when the past few year they've been in Orlando not selling tickets at all. Trying to be WWE hurt the company so bad they were just filming 3 months of TV at a time and having 2 PPVs in the Impact Zone. Going back on the road and selling tickets has added so much more to the atmosphere around the their shows.
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My Imoact thread alone is proof more people are interested. They've been way more successful this year than in years past, did you not read the part about selling tickets and doing live events. I'm not saying their doing big numbers but the company has rebounded and are headed in the right direction.
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Is selling out a 1,200 seat theater for your "biggest show of the year" really an accomplishment and indicator of "improvement" or "success" when your company has been around for some 15+ years?


Like, I'm glad people are enjoying their wrestling. Whatever. But don't shove it down my throat as something that is changing the game when they manage to sell 1,200 tickets. They should have been doing this right from the start. That is seriously the least a wrestling promotion could do.
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Like, I'm glad people are enjoying their wrestling. Whatever. But don't shove it down my throat as something that is changing the game when they manage to sell 1,200 tickets. They should have been doing this right from the start. That is seriously the least a wrestling promotion could do.
Who's said they were changing the game or shoving it down your throat? I've said they've went back to the basics and its worked for them.
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Who's said they were changing the game or shoving it down your throat? I've said they've went back to the basics and its worked for them.
No, it's not. They're losing viewers and just got bumped to a later time slot. That's exactly my point.
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Attendance was down for Impact at the same venue. They couldn't get people hooked enough to come back.
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Attendance was down for Impact at the same venue. They couldn't get people hooked enough to come back.
First time they have done that venue. What are you talking about?
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No, it's not. They're losing viewers and just got bumped to a later time slot. That's exactly my point.
As I've said TV ratings don't mran as much anymore. Its MLB playoff and Thursday Night Football season, rating isn't going to be good. I also don't think they will be back with Pop which could be a reason for the timeslot change.

No doubt that ratings have a say in something but its not the be all end all anymore. If Pop drops them and they have nowhere to go than they'd have reason to be concerned. That's a possibility but Pop has been good to them and I imagine they'll give them time to shop around. I realize the ratings are low but that doesn't mean the product is bad. People have been turned off by the company in the past but if the current administration just said the hell with it they'd already sold the company by now. They've been committed to creating their own brand with thier own identity that can work with any company including WWE.

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First time they have done that venue. What are you talking about?
No it's not. They ran it the night before. You were saying how they "sold out." Not so much for Impact.

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As I've said TV ratings don't mran as much anymore. Its MLB playoff and Thursday Night Football season, rating isn't going to be good. I also don't think they will be back with Pop which could be a reason for the timeslot change.

No doubt that ratings have a say in something but its not the be all end all anymore. If Pop drops them and they have nowhere to go than they'd have reason to be concerned. That's a possibility but Pop has been good to them and I imagine they'll give them time to shop around. I realize the ratings are low but that doesn't mean the product is bad. People have been turned off by the company in the past but if the current administration just said the hell with it they'd already sold the company by now. They've been committed to creating their own brand with thier own identity that can work with any company including WWE.

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Ratings absolutely do mean something when you're only getting <200,000 people and it causes the station to move you to a later time slot. We're not talking about WWE hovering around 2.5 and 2.4 million viewers like they did for a while there. They're continuing to slip when there's barely any meat on their bones.

I've always disliked the argument of "Well, there's something better on." That's a problem. Of course major events are going to cut into ratings a little bit, but the problem is that TNA just can't get eyeballs and can't keep the eyeballs it has on its product. Sometimes great shows aren't ratings successes, but when you've got an audience and you can't keep it, then it's not working. There's not much else to it besides that.

I'm sure everybody is working hard, and that Don Callis, Scott D'Amore and Ed Nordholm or whatever his name is do care deeply about what they're doing. But it doesn't change the fact that it's not working. I don't know what working with other companies has to do with anything. That's something, like charging for tickets, TNA should have been doing years and years ago. And they've had the opportunity and burnt bridges and burnt their audience. They're "nice guys" now, but let's see how it all transpires.
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No it's not. They ran it the night before. You were saying how they "sold out." Not so much for Impact.



Ratings absolutely do mean something when you're only getting <200,000 people and it causes the station to move you to a later time slot. We're not talking about WWE hovering around 2.5 and 2.4 million viewers like they did for a while there. They're continuing to slip when there's barely any meat on their bones.

I've always disliked the argument of "Well, there's something better on." That's a problem. Of course major events are going to cut into ratings a little bit, but the problem is that TNA just can't get eyeballs and can't keep the eyeballs it has on its product. Sometimes great shows aren't ratings successes, but when you've got an audience and you can't keep it, then it's not working. There's not much else to it besides that.

I'm sure everybody is working hard, and that Don Callis, Scott D'Amore and Ed Nordholm or whatever his name is do care deeply about what they're doing. But it doesn't change the fact that it's not working. I don't know what working with other companies has to do with anything. That's something, like charging for tickets, TNA should have been doing years and years ago. And they've had the opportunity and burnt bridges and burnt their audience. They're "nice guys" now, but let's see how it all transpires.
That's basically all I'm saying, they've started doing what they should have been doing all along. They haven't done these things in a while so actually doing it is a success. They're still the most watched promotion behind WWE. Wrestling isn't main stream and I think your standards a way too high when it comes to the current pro wrestling landscape.
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That's basically all I'm saying, they've started doing what they should have been doing all along. They haven't done these things in a while so actually doing it is a success. They're still the most watched promotion behind WWE. Wrestling isn't main stream and I think your standards a way too high when it comes to the current pro wrestling landscape.
Whoa, whoa, whoa -- that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what they're doing is not successful. Putting my pants on to go to work should be a given. If my dick is still hanging out, it doesn't go down well at a business meeting. I actually don't know if they are the most watched promotion besides WWE, are they? I think New Japan on AXS was averaging 200,000 people in 2015. ROH is certainly beating them in attendance. I wouldn't be shocked if they are getting higher ratings. The estimation I can get is from 2015, but it has ROH at <420,000 on syndication, with 220,923 on DA, back when they chose them over TNA. I imagine their numbers have probably slipped. But this is very US-centric too. I'm sure more people watch lucha (not Underground), with a higher percentage watching Japanese promotions in Japan.

Also, if they are #2 by default, I'm not sure if that's something to be proud of, exactly, when you consider how far they've fallen as #2.

I expect too much? As in for it to be good?
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If you want to break it down internationally than Impact has deals around the world as well and I'm not sure ROH has those type of deals.
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