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Old 08-17-2018, 02:39 PM   #121
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Old 08-17-2018, 02:48 PM   #122
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Luger was pretty awesome in 88.
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Old 08-17-2018, 02:54 PM   #123
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I actually found the newsletter online. Here's what Meltzer had to say after Wrestlemania 4.


-- Steroids. "I joke about steroids all the time. I give guys funny nicknames and I suppose I'm the most hated person in the world among heavy steroid users in the wrestling business. However, I'm not trying to be funny here. It was totally embarrassing watching guys really try to work hard, which they aren't used to, and have every match but a few totally die within two minutes because one, and often both guys, couldn't keep up a decent pace for a five minute match. I don't even want to talk about health risks here, because nobody listens. I don't even want to blame the guys here, because the reality of what the promoter is trying to sell forces 82 percent of the Titan workers to become human guinea pigs. However, the tournament was embarrassing. I was embarrassed as someone who appreciates the talents and sacrifices wrestlers make to see this stuff. It wasn't ha-ha, let's watch Lex blow up like lots of fans do, this was a sad situation. Shoot, Luger kept up a pace in his match that put most of Titan's guys to shame."
lol he's not wrong. 80's WWF was my child hood brother, but getting through the first 7 wrestlemanias is a struggle.
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Old 08-17-2018, 05:07 PM   #124
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Don Muraco looked like he was about to have a stroke 2 minutes into his match at WM4

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Old 08-17-2018, 05:28 PM   #125
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I think it's relatively safe to say that most of the talent involved in the "aftermath" of what Dave said are a complete bunch of hypocrites with (at best) no more credibility than Meltzer himself.
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:39 PM   #126
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LOL right? when did wrestling and wrestlers become so sensitive?


You know if this was 20 years ago, Big Dave M might be on TV next Monday night with his new women bashing character. he'd be the biggest heel in the business
Been like that for decades to varying degrees.

WCW once had Hogan burn a copy of the Observer's Newsletter live on air because they were upset at comments Meltzer made about Macho Man at the time.
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:45 PM   #127
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I only saw the lighter in nxt comment and thought he made a poor joke about her tit implants. The fact he said all this is just uncalled for -7 stars
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Old 08-17-2018, 07:14 PM   #128
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Been like that for decades to varying degrees.

WCW once had Hogan burn a copy of the Observer's Newsletter live on air because they were upset at comments Meltzer made about Macho Man at the time.
Lol have you ever seen the Herb Abrams version of the UWF where he was so mad at Dave for talking shit about his awful company that he created a jobber named "Davey Meltzer "

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Been like that for decades to varying degrees.

WCW once had Hogan burn a copy of the Observer's Newsletter live on air because they were upset at comments Meltzer made about Macho Man at the time.
Absolutely nothing to it though.
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:26 PM   #130
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lol he's not wrong. 80's WWF was my child hood brother, but getting through the first 7 wrestlemanias is a struggle.
i don't know, me personally, i'd watch WM 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 over anything in the last 10 years. but i'm not really a fan of work rate as i am of the whole presentation. so seeing Savage vs Butch Reed actually does more for me then watching Daniel Bryan vs Miz or Seth Rollins or whatever
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:36 PM   #131
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Wrestlemania 1 is pretty sweet when you watch the television leading up to the event. Even watching the Brawl to End it All and The War To Settle The Score before watching WM1 gives you a different perspective on it. I don't watch any WWF past 1986 anymore lol
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Old 08-17-2018, 10:55 PM   #132
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The character work is still miles above anything today, and its still a blast to watch all the promos. Ed Leslie had one of the most amazing voices ever BTW.

Once the bell rings though, the spectacle of big roided out dudes only goes so far for me. Even as kid, I was a hulkamaniac but my absolute favorites were Mr Perfect and Bret Hart because "their moves were cooler". Had I been an adult during that era, I probably would have been a snobby NWA fan lol
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:01 PM   #133
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Yeah the cartooney roided up era doesn't hold up well at all. The in ring work takes a pretty big dive aside from the tag division in 1988. 1984-1985 is still may favourite era of the WWF.
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:14 AM   #135
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Yeah the cartooney roided up era doesn't hold up well at all. The in ring work takes a pretty big dive aside from the tag division in 1988. 1984-1985 is still may favourite era of the WWF.
Yeah, I've been watching OSW Reviews commentaries of the early wrestlmanias and the tag teams definitely stood out during that era.

There was also a really great angle during a feud between Greg Valentine and Ronny Garvin where Garvin lost a career match to Valentine. But instead of going away, Garvin got a job as special guest ring announcer for valentine's match and just ran valentine down, calling him fat and stuff lol. Valentine gets him fired so next week he's a guest interviewer and does the same thing. Week after that, guest commentator. Garvin was wrestling at the next ppv again so I assume Valentine relented on the career ending match wager so he'd stop getting embarrassed by Garvin. It was fucking brilliant.
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:30 AM   #136
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I like OSW Review because they regularly point out stuff that I had never really noticed before, like all the stupid faces that smash makes while ax is talking.

Or at a TNA event, the fan holding a "This is wrestling" sign during a stupid gimmick match with Christy Hemme rofl
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I like OSW Review because they regularly point out stuff that I had never really noticed before, like all the stupid faces that smash makes while ax is talking.

Or at a TNA event, the fan holding a "This is wrestling" sign during a stupid gimmick match with Christy Hemme rofl
Check out the Between The Sheets podcast. It's a long show but they timestamp everything so you can skip through the parts that don't interest you. Tons of interesting tidbits , plus they go over all the dirt sheets from the time period they are covering so it's interesting to see what Dave, Wade etc got right and wrong
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Yeah, I've been watching OSW Reviews commentaries of the early wrestlmanias and the tag teams definitely stood out during that era.

There was also a really great angle during a feud between Greg Valentine and Ronny Garvin where Garvin lost a career match to Valentine. But instead of going away, Garvin got a job as special guest ring announcer for valentine's match and just ran valentine down, calling him fat and stuff lol. Valentine gets him fired so next week he's a guest interviewer and does the same thing. Week after that, guest commentator. Garvin was wrestling at the next ppv again so I assume Valentine relented on the career ending match wager so he'd stop getting embarrassed by Garvin. It was fucking brilliant.
Those matches are awesome if you haven't seen them . They beat the ever loving shit out of each other
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Yeah, I've been watching OSW Reviews commentaries of the early wrestlmanias and the tag teams definitely stood out during that era.

There was also a really great angle during a feud between Greg Valentine and Ronny Garvin where Garvin lost a career match to Valentine. But instead of going away, Garvin got a job as special guest ring announcer for valentine's match and just ran valentine down, calling him fat and stuff lol. Valentine gets him fired so next week he's a guest interviewer and does the same thing. Week after that, guest commentator. Garvin was wrestling at the next ppv again so I assume Valentine relented on the career ending match wager so he'd stop getting embarrassed by Garvin. It was fucking brilliant.

Rubbish Ronnie Garbage lmfao

I've listened to OSW for years. It's honestly the fucking best.
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Why didnt Meltzer just apologize and say he was talking about her tits not her being fat?
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Why didnt Meltzer just apologize and say he was talking about her tits not her being fat?
That'd probably come off worse.
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That'd probably come off worse.
agreed. Although it's not his intention, it can be easily critical of a woman's choices with her body which will just dig him deeper into a hole.
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:06 PM   #144
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:13 PM   #145
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I mean it is what it is. He gave his enemies an inch and they're trying to take a mile.
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:26 PM   #146
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Why didnt Meltzer just apologize and say he was talking about her tits not her being fat?
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agreed. Although it's not his intention, it can be easily critical of a woman's choices with her body which will just dig him deeper into a hole.
He still would have caught shit forever either way but if he had made it about the tits I could see his point of view to a degree. I mean we are in the middle of a women's revolution and have been told the days of barbie dolls with million dollar enhancements are over so this is definitely the opposite of what they preach. Still, it's her body and if she got it for herself more power to her.

Just thank god he didn't say this about Jax lol.
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:40 PM   #147
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Old 08-18-2018, 03:00 PM   #148
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Deadspin article speculating that some of the "outrage" and piling on by WWE wrestlers/employees could have maybe been opportunistically coordinated "from above" since McMahon h8s Meltzer... and WWE wrestlers' social media accounts are pretty curated

like Charlotte was on ESPN taking shots at Meltzer (un-named) yesterday, which is weird

https://deadspin.com/there-are-no-cl...low-1828409695
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Old 08-18-2018, 03:39 PM   #150
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It's kind of sad that this all has to happen on the week we had the first woman commentate an episode of RAW Is WAR but I guess that's just the world we live in.
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Old 08-19-2018, 12:54 AM   #151
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Deadspin article speculating that some of the "outrage" and piling on by WWE wrestlers/employees could have maybe been opportunistically coordinated "from above" since McMahon h8s Meltzer... and WWE wrestlers' social media accounts are pretty curated

like Charlotte was on ESPN taking shots at Meltzer (un-named) yesterday, which is weird

https://deadspin.com/there-are-no-cl...low-1828409695
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This is, after all, a company that once accused Meltzer of defamation because he misunderstood their use of a pronoun on TV, subpoenaed him in a lawsuit that he was not party to in an effort to get him to give up sources, and is widely believed to have backed a recent revenge lawsuit against a podcaster—a suit that destroyed a decades-long friendship—among other things. Perhaps most ridiculously, Vince McMahon stole Frank Deford’s and his wife’s shoes because Deford’s The National Sports Daily featured critical WWE coverage from Meltzer. A WWE spokesperson did not reply to Deadspin’s request for comment on the Royce/Meltzer dust-up, for what it’s worth.
Vince stealing someone's shoes because he was pissed at Meltzer's writings is one of the funniest things I've ever read about wrestling.
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Deadspin article speculating that some of the "outrage" and piling on by WWE wrestlers/employees could have maybe been opportunistically coordinated "from above" since McMahon h8s Meltzer... and WWE wrestlers' social media accounts are pretty curated

like Charlotte was on ESPN taking shots at Meltzer (un-named) yesterday, which is weird

https://deadspin.com/there-are-no-cl...low-1828409695
highly unsurprising lol
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:59 AM   #153
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Vince stole Frank Drebins shoes?
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:01 AM   #154
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I love how much everyone sells for Meltzer. With all the shit the carnies talk, it just builds Dave's brand.
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:02 AM   #155
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And given the fact that it's the entertainment business, I don't get why they're so rattled by a critic.
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:23 AM   #156
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Probably because the entertainment industry has an abundance of paid critics who can actually hurt a brand in an attempt to justify their own existence.

Entertainment critics are the very definition of overpaid and superfluous. Anyone getting paid to talk about someone else's work is getting it too easy to act like Dave Meltzer does. He's the not the garnish, not the dish. He's the somellier in a restaurant that doesn't stock wine.

I love a good critic but they lack practical value.
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Old 08-19-2018, 10:31 AM   #157
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That being said I wouldn't deny anyone their living if they are good enough at it. You don't single handedly drum up interest in your brand by being useless so any critic earning and creating discussion has to be worth their wage.

I am conflicted.
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like Charlotte was on ESPN taking shots at Meltzer (un-named) yesterday, which is weird

https://deadspin.com/there-are-no-cl...low-1828409695
It had that feel to it. But I don't think Vince would even need to click and point. I think that people in the company genuinely believe the company's public line, which is weird and creepy.

Literally all those things that Charlotte said WWE doesn't do are things WWE does, haha.
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Dave Meltzer probably has as much star power as any full-timer on the roster. If he came in for an angle or to do a match, it could be #2 or #3 at WrestleMania.
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And they've done this to themselves. They wanted to throw out realism and kayfabe and then get upset when attempts to manipulate emotions en masse are rejected.
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