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Old 11-21-2018, 10:12 AM   #1
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New Wrestling Promotion?

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Trademarks were filed for ALL ELITE WRESTLING on November 5th....Cody Rhodes/Young Bucks perhaps?

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Old 11-21-2018, 10:24 AM   #2
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Filed in Jacksonville...Hmmm, a hint from a recent tweet?


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Old 11-21-2018, 11:10 AM   #3
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Per Reddit the name "ALL OUT" has been filed as well...perhaps the sequel to ALL IN?

Trademarks all registered to same address as Jacksonville Jaguars...Rumors that Cody/Bucks (and possibly Jericho/JR) working with a billionaire to start up a fed definitely have some heat to them...
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I think this is the real deal. There is a lot of room for a solid top tier promotion right now and even a half ass ROH was able to sell out the Garden, imagine what the Elite of the indies can do. ALL IN felt so good, it felt like a 2018 version of what if WCW didnít die and started to get good.

Counting on Cody the be the main guy, Iím cool with that. Also fin gets crossed they can get Omega. Maybe NJPW will use AEW instead of ROH going forward.

Side note. I am hoping for more traditions from this ďfantasyĒ company. Like an annual tournament for singles and tags like NJPW/AJPW do.

I feel like WGN is a great fit. Also, looking forward to not being overwhelmed by content. I miss missing wrestling and thinking and waiting for it. Hoping for one weekly show and big events maybe every other month. So pumped about the possibilities of this.
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I agree w/ you on everything you said.
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Not really sold the name All Elite Wrestling. Think World Elite would be a better name.
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I would love a real alternative to WWE, even if all it means is Vinny Mac and company put in just a little bit of effort to get better.
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If things go well then this is exactly what professional wrestling needs in America and also with some strong competition the WWE may up their game.

There is definitely a ton of under-utilised guys in the WWE who could jump ship and give a new promotion some star quality. I know Iím getting ahead of myself but imagine guys like Balor and Nakamura rejuvenating their careers.
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Old 11-21-2018, 06:45 PM   #9
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They dont have the money to be a real alternative to WWE. Nobody does.
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They dont have the money to be a real alternative to WWE. Nobody does.
Dude, Shad Khan is worth $7 billion. Vince is worth $2.5 billion. Khan was about to buy Wembley Stadium for about the cost of 80 WrestleMania sets. He's worth more than Sinclair Broadcasting. He could buy his own TV slot, if he needed to.

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If things go well then this is exactly what professional wrestling needs in America and also with some strong competition the WWE may up their game.

There is definitely a ton of under-utilised guys in the WWE who could jump ship and give a new promotion some star quality. I know Iím getting ahead of myself but imagine guys like Balor and Nakamura rejuvenating their careers.
They most definitely would, but that would be good for the overall product. Talent will also have leverage, which obviously gives them financial benefits, but also allows them to angle for more creative leeway.

Definitely seems like there is smoke to this fire. The story seemed very odd to just...make up.
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Old 11-21-2018, 07:12 PM   #11
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Brand awareness destroys them. WWE has become the Kleenex of wrestling: their product is so synonymous with wrestling they've essentially become Wrestling. It hurt WCW for years and that's when the WWF wasn't the only game in town. WCW was putting ads in the newspaper, and the paper was using Stone Cold as their wrestler on their ad.
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The name TUESDAY NIGHT DYNAMITE has also been trademarked by the same, along with ALL OUT and DOUBLE OR NOTHING.

Maybe TNT is the name of a possible TV series?
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It turns out Shan's son is a massive wrestling fan as well.

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Will that fan that punched out that other fan be in the ring?
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The name TUESDAY NIGHT DYNAMITE has also been trademarked by the same, along with ALL OUT and DOUBLE OR NOTHING.

Maybe TNT is the name of a possible TV series?
Something is going on. Dynamite would fit a show on TNT. With SmackDown going to Friday, having a Tuesday show makes sense.

Tony Khan is a wrestling fan, and he also runs a sports media promotion company.
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Brand awareness destroys them. WWE has become the Kleenex of wrestling: their product is so synonymous with wrestling they've essentially become Wrestling. It hurt WCW for years and that's when the WWF wasn't the only game in town. WCW was putting ads in the newspaper, and the paper was using Stone Cold as their wrestler on their ad.
There's truth to that, but perceptions change. Also, most people I heard talking about wrestling still talk about "WWF." Disney aren't the only people who make animated movies, Coca-Cola isn't the only company that makes soda, Nokia aren't the only people who make mobile phones, Apple aren't the only people who make smart phones.

Ted Turner funded a wrestling promotion, and it went under. Vince was undisputed king. People left him alone, but that was largely because there wasn't $100 million per TV hour in rights fees on the table.

P.S. WCW probably paid for Austin to be the ad, knowing their backwards shit.
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Hope they work with other promotions like All In did. If not it could really hurt ROH losing The Elite and maybe even SCU. Impact has most of their key guys locked in for a bit but ROH has alot of contracts up in January.
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Hope they work with other promotions like All In did. If not it could really hurt ROH losing The Elite and maybe even SCU. Impact has most of their key guys locked in for a bit but ROH has alot of contracts up in January.
I can see them taking over impact, take the stage hands cameramen some of the writers and some of the wrestlers.
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I can see them taking over impact, take the stage hands cameramen some of the writers and some of the wrestlers.
I highly doubt that, could probably take some talent but like I said Impact has most their key talent locked up for a while. As far as cameramen and stage hands go I'm not sure about any of that but I don't think that'd be something a new company would try to poach, and if it was ROH would be more susceptible to that than Impact. Could hurt both but I don't think it'll put either out of business if they work with other promotions like All In did.
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There's truth to that, but perceptions change. Also, most people I heard talking about wrestling still talk about "WWF." Disney aren't the only people who make animated movies, Coca-Cola isn't the only company that makes soda, Nokia aren't the only people who make mobile phones, Apple aren't the only people who make smart phones.

Ted Turner funded a wrestling promotion, and it went under. Vince was undisputed king. People left him alone, but that was largely because there wasn't $100 million per TV hour in rights fees on the table.

P.S. WCW probably paid for Austin to be the ad, knowing their backwards shit.
Yes but there's always been a mainstream alternative to those things. Coke always has Pepsi, Apple has Samsung, etc. WWE has been the only game in town going on 18 years now in terms of being mainstream. TNA went on a media blitz trying to get their name out. Nobody cared. People saw it as minor league . Plus wrestling is a very niche product. This new fed will appeal to the All In crowd. That's it. I'm not saying it can't be successful, but it is what it is.
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Gertner has a valid point - but we also know nothing about how this will be presented, filmed and so forth. They might have a brand new take on how to present wrestling to the public, Vince (and The Von Erichs) did back in the early 80's.

I'm excited to see what happens and look forward to giving it a watch if it does happen.
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I'm curious to see whether this is actually treated as an alternative. What I mean by that is, I've never met a TNA fan who didn't also watch the WWE. I know a trillion people who only watch the WWE. So it's really not an alternative. It's just additional wrestling that you are watching. I also live in Canada so I probably have a different perspective.
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Meltzer notes from the Observer on all this

(also posted in Wrestling News & Rumors, which has lots of Meltzer scoops this week)

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All Elite Wrestling

The revelation of certain trademarks that have been filed looks to answer questions about the probable destination of The Young Bucks, Cody, Brandi Rhodes and Hangman Page.


A group using the address of the Jacksonville Jaguars football team filed for several trademarks on 11/5, the key being All Elite Wrestling, the name of the promotion, along with AEW, All Out, Double or Nothing, AEW Double or Nothing and Tuesday Night Dynamite. Normally trademark filings would hardly be a big deal. But the key is All Elite Wrestling is the name of the group, and The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega own the Elite name for marketing purposes.In addition, Double or Nothing was known to be the name of the second All In show, an idea for a show on a holiday weekend in the second quarter of 2019 in Las Vegas. This show is not confirmed by any means, but it was an idea and that was the name of it.


The Jacksonville Jaguars, as well as Fulham FC of the English Premier League, are owned by Shahid Khan, 68, who Forbes Magazine once called the face of the American Dream, and as the 70th richest man in the U.S. and 221st richest man in the world with a net worth of $7 billion. He recently attempted, although the bid fell through, to purchase Wembley Stadium. His son, Tony Khan, 36, is a huge wrestling fan and is the person behind AEW. Khan is a well-known pro wrestling fan. He has been an Observer subscriber since he was a teenager and even sent in live event reports. He was part of some Internet wrestling groups. He knows many of the biggest names in wrestling and was considered one of the best friends of The Young Bucks.
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Old 11-23-2018, 01:23 AM   #26
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I'm curious to see whether this is actually treated as an alternative. What I mean by that is, I've never met a TNA fan who didn't also watch the WWE. I know a trillion people who only watch the WWE. So it's really not an alternative. It's just additional wrestling that you are watching. I also live in Canada so I probably have a different perspective.
I don't know anyone who only watches TNA either. I do know some people who only watch NJPW though, so this could be interesting.
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I don't know anyone who only watches TNA either. I do know some people who only watch NJPW though, so this could be interesting.
Lol I know a couple of people that SAY they only watch New Japan, but I know they are full of it
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I highly doubt that, could probably take some talent but like I said Impact has most their key talent locked up for a while. As far as cameramen and stage hands go I'm not sure about any of that but I don't think that'd be something a new company would try to poach, and if it was ROH would be more susceptible to that than Impact. Could hurt both but I don't think it'll put either out of business if they work with other promotions like All In did.
I'm pretty sure that anyone making a serious run could buy TNA from whoever is holding it. They're not doing roaring business. They have low attendance and their ratings are going down. They might have talent locked into contracts, but I was reading somewhere that their video library's worth would be estimated to be at just over $1 million. I don't know how much their talent currently gets paid, but I bet you could buy out most of their contracts for less than another million. You could probably steal TNA entirely for $2 million and a lot of people would probably be happy to have it off their hands.

Keep in mind Shahid Khan was about to spend $800 million on a project. He's obviously not going to sink that much into wrestling, but he could literally buy between 400 and 800 TNAs for fun. If he were so inclined.

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Yes but there's always been a mainstream alternative to those things. Coke always has Pepsi, Apple has Samsung, etc. WWE has been the only game in town going on 18 years now in terms of being mainstream. TNA went on a media blitz trying to get their name out. Nobody cared. People saw it as minor league . Plus wrestling is a very niche product. This new fed will appeal to the All In crowd. That's it. I'm not saying it can't be successful, but it is what it is.
That's all true. No major disagreement here at all. More so than wrestling being niche, wrestling has been looked down upon. I think the big shift is in how much Vince gets for TV. And it doesn't take a whiz to see that his TV is objectively bad and he's a volume business.

TNA had the backing of Spike, and while "nobody cared," it was doing pretty decent numbers until they went and burnt their bridges with Spike. I'm not sure how much money Viacom was pumping into them, but it was probably more than Panda were (although they are much bigger than I initially thought).

You can't do exactly what WCW or TNA did and expect success. You've really got to be smarter about it than that. But I think where you and I differ on this is that I don't take 100% failure rate against Vince so far to mean that it's inevitable you're going to have a 100% failure rate against Vince. Markets change, and he's ballooned to this size where he's locked into this pattern that he can't really break from until he loses deals and what have you.

Completely agree with the audience that are into this. Hell, I'm not really into Cody or The Young Bucks at all, haha. But I think striking the right deal with the right people in the right climate with the right marketing can create something that isn't just looking to repeat history, but rather take that existing audience that is burnt out on bad volume television and give them something boutique to chew on.

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Gertner has a valid point - but we also know nothing about how this will be presented, filmed and so forth. They might have a brand new take on how to present wrestling to the public, Vince (and The Von Erichs) did back in the early 80's.

I'm excited to see what happens and look forward to giving it a watch if it does happen.
Gertner's points are very valid, and he turns out to be correct more often than not. Reading up on the specific extent of the trademarks, it seems that a lot is going to be digital or on the internet. That's probably blanket stuff, but they specifically mention internet PPVs and digital distribution of things.

If you're going to just do another ROH or TNA, forget about it. Another drop in the bucket. More saturation, if I'm being honest. But if you're going to give this a real go, then I am optimistically (perhaps not cautiously enough so) that there is a real opening.

Hell, the name Double or Nothing itself implies that they are going to try and get 20,000 people into an arena. Which sounds insane, but something about this project has always felt more ambitious than Wale wanting to start up his own promotion, or Toby Keith wanting to start up his own.

This seems like the sort of thing that you'd only do, and that Cody and The Bucks would only do, if there was serious investment behind it to the point they could sacrifice their New Japan and ROH careers (to a large extent). And I only think a billionaire would get legitimately involved in wrestling because they wanted to increase their fortune, and not just create random content.

I think the money is there in wrestling (look at Vince), but you've got to cross a certain threshold to make it. TV stations want something that can look like what Vince does. You can be polished, but if you are only playing to a few hundred, the you look small time compared to what everyone imagines when they think of wrestling.

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I'm curious to see whether this is actually treated as an alternative. What I mean by that is, I've never met a TNA fan who didn't also watch the WWE. I know a trillion people who only watch the WWE. So it's really not an alternative. It's just additional wrestling that you are watching. I also live in Canada so I probably have a different perspective.
That is a problem. I think people are really ready for there to be competition. More and more I see fatigue and hear about people I thought were hardcore fans not watching anymore. WWE is everyone's gateway into wrestling, and everything else is auxiliary. Even New Japan depends on almost a contrarian position to WWE. It's "Not WWE" to a lot of people. I still haven't taken the dive and subscribed to World yet. I might still, but you need more than goodwill and just being something else on the market that is a babyface underdog that people, for whatever reason, don't actually jump on.

I hear about how there are all these alternatives out there, but truthfully, most of them suck. They aren't what I like in wrestling, and the one I am hopeful for, New Japan, exists in a realm that feels so other to WWE that they don't feel like they really occupy space together. I think what people really want is something with mainstream access that anyone can watch that they can choose over WWE. Who knows if they will?
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This is a broad generalization, but it's really weird to look at the similarities between the McMahon family and the Khan family.
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WrestleTalk, which seems mainly to be a speculative site most of the time, has broken the "news" that apparently two WWE stars who were informally approached about joining AEW have given their provisional agreement to join the promotion once their contracts expire by April.

I really don't think it will be AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura, given that they seem well looked after by WWE. I'd take a random guess with Gallows & Anderson, which doesn't exactly thrill me.
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