11-18-2021, 01:47 AM | #6761 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
and if you look at their last year to the year prior there's very little growth so this year is trending in healthy direction
|
11-18-2021, 01:48 AM | #6762 |
Triple A
Posts: 133,040
|
tbh I was expecting it to go back down to their "normal" past PPV levels or maybe a little more, like 115 or something, since the last two Full Gears did like 80k
the CM Punk PPV did like double of what their average is, for a clear very special rare draw that's basically impossible to duplicate |
11-18-2021, 01:52 AM | #6763 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
i dont disagree that expecting 100% is unreasonable but 10% is below reasonable too. a good draw id hope to keep 70% but if im to even consider a guy a draw id expect him to keep 40% of what is explicitly, empirically, his own audience. which punk, or the booking, failed to do. I dont know what these people thought, perhaps they loved the punk segment and hated everything else. I cant say. but 10% is very low retention. 100k die hard punk fans dropped IRL money to see him and they clearly didnt think it was worth it to do it again. Thats a truth.
|
11-18-2021, 01:52 AM | #6764 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
but again the YTD is very healthy
|
11-18-2021, 01:54 AM | #6765 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
and 60k new paying customers from all out to all out if they can maintain that growth theres nothing bad about that
|
11-18-2021, 01:54 AM | #6766 | |
Triple A
Posts: 133,040
|
Quote:
|
|
11-18-2021, 01:55 AM | #6767 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
AEW is better a position ofr having punk but im not convinced punk is a draw. hes part of an ensemble and it validates how he was booked throughout his career
|
11-18-2021, 01:58 AM | #6768 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
im rounding, its slightly more than 10%. 135k was the previous peak. so thats max AEW without punk. show after his debut drops to 145k. so thats 10k new customers generated. the punk draw was up 90k MTD. so the 145k is 11.11% retained
|
11-18-2021, 02:01 AM | #6769 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
i'll say this: based on these figures i wouldnt pay punk any more than he's getting now any time soon.
|
11-18-2021, 02:04 AM | #6770 |
Triple A
Posts: 133,040
|
The 135k one also had an unusual draw with the "exploding barbed wire death match" and them hyping the signing of a "huge" star (Christian...) which is why it was a lot higher than the typical number
The average of all the PPVs before the CM Punk one is 98k... Punk one did 205, and this one was 145k so idk if 10% is a fair assessment |
11-18-2021, 02:11 AM | #6771 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
every show has a reason it works or doesnt work
|
11-18-2021, 02:12 AM | #6772 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
they havent had a show sub 100k this year and thats a good sign so i think at least we can agree on that
|
11-18-2021, 02:45 AM | #6773 | ||
Posts: 60,960
|
Quote:
Quote:
Destor talking some sense. Theyve bought their way to a higher normal buyrate than what they were on, but does that slight increase justify the costs? And what does it say about the product that it cannot retain off its spikes? |
||
11-18-2021, 11:16 PM | #6774 | |
CodeBot Engaged...WOAAHH!
Posts: 9,631
|
I wrote a decent breakdown of this a few days back in response to Damien also making that claim.
Quote:
AEW is not a public company, neither is any of Shad's other ventures, so they can say whatever and we cannot disprove it, but based on the numbers we do get like PPV buys and TV deal, well they just do not support the claim that they are doing anything but bleeding money. Its fine, im glad Shad is willing to let Tony lose money because it gives us more wrestling, but no amount of smoke and mirrors is going to validate the idea that this company is anywhere close to profitable. All of your other posts in this thread are spot on, but I think you are giving them more benefit of doubt on the YTD. |
|
11-18-2021, 11:21 PM | #6775 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
in business your first few years should be assumed losses out side of some innovation or what have you. this is why most businesses dont make it their first five years. (this is also why workers dont deserve the bulk of the profits.) I dont think AEW is turning a profit but i think if they can continue to nurture growth they will later.
|
11-18-2021, 11:23 PM | #6776 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
and to that end not being able to retain those viewers really hurts. they need growth because the business model demands it. theyre far from sustainable long term.
|
11-18-2021, 11:38 PM | #6777 | |
CodeBot Engaged...WOAAHH!
Posts: 9,631
|
Quote:
I have heard Tony Khan allude to the fact that AEW should get a massive deal in 2024 when their current TV contracts are up. That is wishful thinking though because AEW's average viewer age today is 48, so if they cannot get new younger viewers, by 2024 their average fan age will be 51. What happens when they are getting 900,000 viewers but their 18-49 demo is significantly lower because the majority of those people are now in the 50+ demo, which AEW has basically claimed does not matter. That massive TV deal they are just assuming will come will certainly change the outlook of the company if it doesn't. |
|
11-18-2021, 11:41 PM | #6778 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
well lets not rule out how in dire straights TV is right now. Live TV has a lot of clout and thats only looking to rise. 18-49 or not. im not dismissing your point because its valid but hey could still pen a deal thats better than the one they have now in 5 years time based strictly on the shrinking market
|
11-19-2021, 12:05 AM | #6779 | |
CodeBot Engaged...WOAAHH!
Posts: 9,631
|
Quote:
|
|
11-22-2021, 08:30 PM | #6780 |
Hey Mister!
Posts: 54,947
|
I know the timing isn't great for it right now, but at some point, we'd better fucking get Tomohiro Ishii vs Bryan Danielson.
|
11-22-2021, 11:12 PM | #6781 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
id buy that match
|
11-22-2021, 11:22 PM | #6782 |
Posts: 58,594
|
I don't think Ishii has gone to a doctor in the last decade. Man looks stiffer than a two dollar steak.
|
11-23-2021, 04:18 AM | #6783 |
Fuck em' this is The War
Posts: 7,901
|
I watch AEW because I crush hard on Britt Baker.
|
11-24-2021, 06:23 PM | #6784 |
Trickster Demon
Posts: 59,751
|
AEW superfan Jessi having rough health, wishing a fast recovery for her
|
11-24-2021, 07:52 PM | #6785 |
Best Poster
Posts: 56,917
|
Who's that chick?
|
11-24-2021, 09:44 PM | #6786 |
Trickster Demon
Posts: 59,751
|
she's popular on twitter and I think is also sort of popular on only fans, she's a big rasslin fan and goes to a bunch of shows
|
11-24-2021, 10:13 PM | #6787 |
quesque fuck?
Posts: 23,505
|
Poor girl.
|
11-25-2021, 09:21 PM | #6788 |
Trickster Demon
Posts: 59,751
|
|
11-26-2021, 12:37 AM | #6789 |
Posts: 4,834
|
|
11-29-2021, 04:20 PM | #6790 |
Posts: 60,960
|
898k for Dynamite. Down, as predicted. Whodathunk that turning a beloved babyface heel and vowing to destroy a bunch of good-hearted bums would encourage people to tune out?
|
11-29-2021, 07:42 PM | #6791 |
Posts: 58,594
|
|
11-29-2021, 07:56 PM | #6792 |
Best Poster
Posts: 56,917
|
R.I.P
|
11-29-2021, 08:13 PM | #6793 |
Trickster Demon
Posts: 59,751
|
|
11-29-2021, 11:51 PM | #6794 |
Trickster Demon
Posts: 59,751
|
|
11-29-2021, 11:51 PM | #6795 |
Trickster Demon
Posts: 59,751
|
|
11-29-2021, 11:53 PM | #6796 |
the heartbreak king
Posts: 48,434
|
wait hold up what?
|
11-30-2021, 08:12 AM | #6797 |
quesque fuck?
Posts: 23,505
|
Barney: I like it.
|
11-30-2021, 09:59 AM | #6798 |
CodeBot Engaged...WOAAHH!
Posts: 9,631
|
Tony Khan is awkward and creepy "AF". |
11-30-2021, 10:07 AM | #6799 |
I am the cheese
Posts: 51,092
|
water isnt wet
|
11-30-2021, 10:28 AM | #6800 |
quesque fuck?
Posts: 23,505
|
Seems pretty wet.
|