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Old 07-04-2019, 09:22 PM   #281
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An adult is more likely to be scratched by a child than a wicker chair.

So wicker it up and hit a few kids. Drunk on wicker.
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Old 07-04-2019, 11:13 PM   #282
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... what? Sorry. Saw this conversation head in a decidedly "wicker" direction and jumped the gun a bit, I guess.
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Old 07-04-2019, 11:43 PM   #283
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You stuff your sorry's in a sack Sir! There is no apology required for a well wickered post.
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Old 07-05-2019, 09:40 PM   #284
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I say treat chair shots like that as if they were the piledrivers in the old days. Make them rare, but important.
This. Unprotected chair shots are dumb, but there are plenty of other things in wrestling that can give you concussions and whatnot too. Wrestlers could even get their hands up because chair shots aimed at the head at all are rare and would probably be effective.

They should probably played it up as a huge deal with threats of fines, suspensions, firings, etc. Cody could have been the guy to keep Spears on, because fuck him, he's going to get his revenge in the ring.
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Old 07-06-2019, 09:33 AM   #285
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Unprotected Balls Mahoney style chair shots are tough to watch and should be a thing of the past. This chair shot from Spears was gimmicked, it's obvious they wanted this exact reaction. The fact that the chair cut him made it 10 times what they wanted.

Most important, the chair was gimmicked so the sick impact and velocity in which the chair was swung was fine, it was a breakaway chair and would've felt like a cookie sheet.
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:08 AM   #286
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Balls Mahoney looked like an 80 year old man at the end. His brain was mush. I think you have to remember that lots of wrestlers from that era in those matches didn't allow themselves to be smashed in the head with unprotected shots. Wrestling's exhibition of Darwinism. It's not worth it and I find it hard to have any sympathy because a lot of these people were happy to do it and nobody ever recommends it.

I knew not to hit my head when I was a child, now grown men are claiming it's somebody else's responsibility when they do it themselves just to improve what is essentially a performing art form. There's no reason to legitimately hurt anybody. Blading should have been banned in the 80's. I've never felt that a match was better with blood in it. I feel the same about all legit fight sports too. Blood is horrible.
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:43 AM   #287
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I totally understand what you're saying Sean, but part of me ... That nostalgic fan still marks for blood like in the Joey and Mox match or even Dustin and Cody (although that was too much but what can you do)... The blood for Cody from that chair shot was brutal. It did make it seem real, unplanned, off the script which is something I love in wrestling. But I don't want to see more Benoit stories or guys like Saturn who forgo who he was for like 5 years until one day he woke up I. A garbage can and a Sanitation worker said "hey didn't you used to wear skirts on Nitro? Aintchew Saturn?... Hey wait a sec..." And then the Sanitation worker stepped away and around the front of the truck and reached in through the window and pulled out a mop and walked back to the former tv champ and handed him the household tool. "I was going to give this to my wife, but I think this is yours".

And then he started to do signings.
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Old 07-06-2019, 11:28 AM   #288
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I really hope you made that story up because that's just about the most depressing thing I have ever heard.
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Old 07-06-2019, 12:09 PM   #289
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Blood can be used to great effect in wrestling, both in terms of believability and telling a story. However it shouldn't be commonplace. Obviously there will always be accidents and you can never account for that, but outside of that, blood shouldn't be an every day thing in wrestling. It's got to be the right time for a guy to get busted open and I'd much rather them blade honestly than do it the hard way, no matter how incredible it turns out.

Cody v Dustin was a perfect use of blood even though I really wish Dustin wouldn't have bled so profusely. Regardless it had an impact and I'm pretty sure that's going to be one of those crimson masks people are talking about decades later. It worked. The blood from the chairshot to cody however wasn't necessary imo, and I'm not convinced yet it was a gimmicked chair and that it was an accident; I think it was a legit hard way spot and they didn't like the immediate backlash they got so tried to spin out of it.
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I mean I was there for that damn chair shot. It was unnaturally loud. I've never EVER heard that kind of sound from someone being hit with any kind of object at a show. Everyone in the arena knew something happened that wasn't normal, there was an audible gasp and then everyone got really really quiet. The only talk was about hoping cody was ok and that they had botched the chair shot and Cody really got whacked.
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Old 07-06-2019, 12:15 PM   #291
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Btw, just remembered this, but the Jebailey/CEO guy that kinda sux0red was actually a really cool dude. After the show ended he came out and milled about in the crowd and was jus talking to everyone and posing for photos and stuff for like 30 minutes; I didn't see anyone else doing it, although they may have been out in some of the halls for all I know.
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Old 07-06-2019, 03:58 PM   #292
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I think with wrestling that the pre-determined nature of the bleeding is a really huge issue. Unless every guy getting juice has been tested beforehand there really is no excuse for it in today's day and age.

I just don't like it. I love certain matches where it is done to make a point and it works like Hart/Austin or Heavenly Bodies/Thrillseekers but it is a crazy risk to take and as an audience is in splatter range you have to wonder why it has been allowed in a sport with so many junkies for so long.
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Old 07-06-2019, 04:01 PM   #293
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I should say that my dad worked in blood transfusion for his entire career and he scared the shit out of me with some crazy facts over the years so I may just have an aversion to all things bloody.

I never liked gory MMA or boxing matches.
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