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Old 10-17-2018, 01:23 PM   #81
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I love when PC conflicts with PC. If dude just called somebody gay there would be protests and boycotts calling for his job. But calling something gay as a way to push a PC agenda like "how could WWE still do business with Saudis after what they did, I mean we already know they are gay but come on!" and suddenly it's cool.

Saudis kill a journalist, and everybody should just exclude the whole country from everything, and you are a monster if you dont. But the President says he doesn't want refugees cause a few terrorist posed as refugees, and he is pure evil. It's all about spinning a story.

It's like that lady who called the police on the kid for what she thought was him grabbing her ass. She would have been a #metoo #timesup hero if it wasn't for who she called the police on, but she failed to realize a white woman calling police on a black person is more offensive than a woman being sexually assualted. End result, she gets mocked with cute nicknames and has to apologize.
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Vince is such a stubborn prick. This might be one of his biggest public humiliations all because he won't admit this is dumb. Liberals and progressives hate the company for its propaganda, and conservatives are going to hate them because it is unpatriotic. He could seriously piss on everybody with this move.
lol, conservative are going to what now?
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Doesn't matter if Saudi Arabia is a democracy or not. The whole point of democracy is to hear everyone's ideas. The people of Saudi Arabia have no control over what their government does so I don't see a reason to punish these people by pulling the show. And yes what I seen from WWE's first event in Saudi Arabia they showed how the country was progressing to let women have more rights.

We kill our own in the US every day so I don't see this Saudi Arabia problem killing a journalist a big deal. Shit happens every day over here. As far as the women go that's their culture and its getting better. I couldn't give a shit about it. If the WWE is going to put on a big show for these people and treat it as a big deal than as a wrestling fan I want to see it.
That is exactly the problem. WWE is showing this place as a progressive regime when it really fucking isn't. I read a thing about a woman (the woman?) they got to appear actually being put in prison for expressing herself. They are spreading these false messages to cover up human rights abuses. That's what's so egregious about this. I honestly didn't care when they just ran a show. I didn't care when they run China despite that being a complicated nation. It's the fucking disgusting fact they call it "progressive" and brainwash marks like you into placation so they can behead more women.

The US's problems are many, but what the fuck does that have to do with what we're talking about? It's a straw-man to marginalize the regimented evil in Saudi Arabia. It's irrelevant.

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It's still a great deal for WWE and I don't see this as a reason to pass that up. Yeah it's all propaganda but if you're not used to that with today's media than you are doing pretty well. I could care less what goes on in Saudi Arabia unless it's a WWE event.
Then you, sir, are a cunt.

And on a further point about "everybody does it, so what's the big deal?", the thing about this is that almost every other entertainment property and many big businesses have actually pulled the fuck out, because they know how toxic this is. So no, not everybody is doing it. WWE is, which is the point -- not what happens in the US.

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Alot of people ignore the problems in the United States when they're given something like this in another country to worry about. You're being worked by the media to ignore what's really important.
No one is ignoring the problems in the United States. Wtf? You can care about two things simultaneously. And the statement "what's really important" is incredibly disgusting. The issues in Saudi Arabia are very important. Fuck you.

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Gotta agree with Dave here. Regardless of how anyone took it, he clearly MEANT it as an insult. That was the whole joke. It wasn't just a passing reference to wrestling's homo-eroticism. It was "LOL Wrestling's gay! Now let's all have a laugh about it, audience!"

Now... how offended you wanna be about it is up to you. But the context was clear.
I get what you're saying here. It was a little cringe in terms of delivery. It's just that he isn't wrong, haha.

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The John Cena “You can’t see me” joke after was pretty cringeworthy, too. I’m more offended by the bad comedy than anything.

Also I think you’re adding your own spin to make it funny. You know about Goldust and Darren Young and wrestling’s history of preying on gay stereotypes. I highly doubt he was going any deeper than “lol sweaty men grappling. GAYYYYY.” He was mad at WWE for being pro Saudi Arabia and needed to burn them and that was his way of doing it. By insulting it for being homoerotic. Lol

Low-hanging fruit isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Just... put a new twist on it.
I don't disagree that it wasn't funny. There is an amazingly barbed rant about WWE's hypocrisy and their history of disgusting promotional tactics. I'm not a big fan of John Oliver, honestly, or the left-wing "let's take easy shots at the dumb Republicans" comedy. It's like shooting fish in a barrel and it often feels like punching down. I wouldn't defend it as a sterling example of wit.

I think what is telling about it is that even with his comedians and research teams, and all the press WWE is getting in regards to this deal, people still don't give a fuck about WWE enough to dig beneath the surface and actually probe them for the insightful stuff. There's an amazing take-down piece on WWE and how they run ship waiting to happen, but no one with brains is going to waste them on this company, which is why they've gotten away with shit for so long, haha.

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I love when PC conflicts with PC. If dude just called somebody gay there would be protests and boycotts calling for his job. But calling something gay as a way to push a PC agenda like "how could WWE still do business with Saudis after what they did, I mean we already know they are gay but come on!" and suddenly it's cool.

Saudis kill a journalist, and everybody should just exclude the whole country from everything, and you are a monster if you dont. But the President says he doesn't want refugees cause a few terrorist posed as refugees, and he is pure evil. It's all about spinning a story.

It's like that lady who called the police on the kid for what she thought was him grabbing her ass. She would have been a #metoo #timesup hero if it wasn't for who she called the police on, but she failed to realize a white woman calling police on a black person is more offensive than a woman being sexually assualted. End result, she gets mocked with cute nicknames and has to apologize.
It's not PC contradicting PC. It's not that Oliver was saying that being gay is a bad thing. The perception about wrestling is that it's full of men that are afraid of the idea of being gay (not true, but again, no one cares enough to follow), so it's calling them out on the latent homosexuality. It's like when a super-conservative gets caught having a gay affair in a bathroom stall. There's nothing wrong with being gay, it's the hypocrisy of guys going around acting like "men" and then being idiosyncratically what they pretend to be the opposite of.

If the audience saw it as an anti-gay slur, they wouldn't have laughed and Oliver would have gotten heat for it. It probably wouldn't have made the air. They think about these jokes. The joke was not at the expense of being gay, it was at the expense of wrestling. That being said, I do think jokes about latent homosexuality are passe, easy and off in their aim anyway. And it is far more applicable to wrestling two or three decades ago -- back when it was culturally relevant. The writers were probably thinking about Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior more than they were thinking about Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose.

The rest of your post doesn't really make sense to me, haha. They're completely separate issues. Not doing business with an oppressive regime and not accepting refugees from those regimes are actually opposite issues. I don't see a contradiction there at all. And I'm not that familiar with the story about the kid and the woman beyond the headline, but from what I read her statement was based on fear and prejudice? I don't really want to get into that, but it sounds like you're making some massive sweeping generalizations there that don't accurately reflect the issues.
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I'll break this down to the simplest thing you need to know.

If Donald Trump wasn't best buddies with Vince the media wouldn't give a fuck about the WWE running a show in Saudi Arabia.
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Noid, your post is too long to quote, but droford got my point. Everything gets spun to fit a narrative that is desired.

I just find humor in the hypocrisy of the guy trying to get on his high horse while at the same time taking a cheap shot.
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I'll break this down to the simplest thing you need to know.

If Donald Trump wasn't best buddies with Vince the media wouldn't give a fuck about the WWE running a show in Saudi Arabia.
I disagree because of the sheer amount of companies pulling out of their Saudi deals since the embassy scandal went down. Makes the WWE look a lot worse by comparison for still trying to hold the event and their unwillingness to make a real public statement on the issue.

They'd be getting the same negative reception even if Vince didn't have any personal connections to Trump.
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I disagree because of the sheer amount of companies pulling out of their Saudi deals since the embassy scandal went down. Makes the WWE look a lot worse by comparison for still trying to hold the event and their unwillingness to make a real public statement on the issue.

They'd be getting the same negative reception even if Vince didn't have any personal connections to Trump.
Yeah, I agree with this. They're covering a lot of companies that aren't at all affiliated with Trump.
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Yeah, I agree with this. They're covering a lot of companies that aren't at all affiliated with Trump.
Incorrect, Trump hates Amazon, he is always complaining about them for no reason.

Amazon not only sells to Saudi Arabia, they have their version of Amazon.com, called souq.

Nobody is calling out Amazon.

Do I think WWE should promote how great Saudi Arabia is, hell no, even before all this.

But because of Trump, Linda McMahon, the WWE HOF, all that intermixing, WWE is getting the heat. A big part of it is because Trump likes their money and selling them weapons, so this is a way to protest that after what happened.

If Trump was dead set against America working with Saudi Arabia, WWE would get praise for standing up to Trump by the same people who are mad at them now.
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If Trump was dead set against America working with Saudi Arabia, WWE would get praise for standing up to Trump by the same people who are mad at them now.
That legit makes no sense. Why would WWE get praised for siding with the regime involved in the embassy murder. People are made at the WWE because they don't buy the "progress" excuse and WWE trying to sneakily go ahead with the event. Even WWE's shareholders are not entirely in all praise for the Saudi deal since WWE refuses to let them know the exact details of it.

If anything, it would lead to even more backlash and get rid of any pretext of them being with the Saudis for non-monetary reasons. They'd also be opening themselves to potentially serious legal repercussions if the US were to pass sanctions.
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I played rugby for 12 years. Homoerotic as fuck. It's not a slight against anyone or anything. You've gotta be v insecure as a fan and unrealistic with yourself if that bothers you in any way.

The joke is "low hanging fruit" I suppose, but really, c'mon... it's right there for the taking.
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That legit makes no sense. Why would WWE get praised for siding with the regime involved in the embassy murder. People are made at the WWE because they don't buy the "progress" excuse and WWE trying to sneakily go ahead with the event. Even WWE's shareholders are not entirely in all praise for the Saudi deal since WWE refuses to let them know the exact details of it.

If anything, it would lead to even more backlash and get rid of any pretext of them being with the Saudis for non-monetary reasons. They'd also be opening themselves to potentially serious legal repercussions if the US were to pass sanctions.
No no no. Nothing to do with the regime or supporting it.

My point is regardless of the situation, the media will spin it and make it about hating Trump.

If WWE could not be tied to Trump, it would not be such an issue. If they were against Trump, the same media would spin WWE in a positive light for going against Trump.

That is all I am saying. Nothing political or a moral stand, just that WWEs portrayal in this story is skewed by the media's hatred for Trump.

WWE going would be a bad move in my opinion either way, but the level of anger and disgust toward them by the high horse media would be far less if WWE was not seen as "Trump Friendly".
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No no no. Nothing to do with the regime or supporting it.

My point is regardless of the situation, the media will spin it and make it about hating Trump.

If WWE could not be tied to Trump, it would not be such an issue. If they were against Trump, the same media would spin WWE in a positive light for going against Trump.

That is all I am saying. Nothing political or a moral stand, just that WWEs portrayal in this story is skewed by the media's hatred for Trump.

WWE going would be a bad move in my opinion either way, but the level of anger and disgust toward them by the high horse media would be far less if WWE was not seen as "Trump Friendly".
Trump's son-in-law has a lot to do with US/Saudi relations. Trump is fully supportive of WWE in this for now.
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No, the media would not be praising WWE for going if Trump were against it, lol.
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No no no. Nothing to do with the regime or supporting it.

My point is regardless of the situation, the media will spin it and make it about hating Trump.

If WWE could not be tied to Trump, it would not be such an issue. If they were against Trump, the same media would spin WWE in a positive light for going against Trump.

That is all I am saying. Nothing political or a moral stand, just that WWEs portrayal in this story is skewed by the media's hatred for Trump.

WWE going would be a bad move in my opinion either way, but the level of anger and disgust toward them by the high horse media would be far less if WWE was not seen as "Trump Friendly".
But they haven't really done so. Most of the discussion involving Trump and WWE revolves around if Trump talked to Vince, maybe WWE would be more likely to cancel or move the event.

Since Trump seems to be of the mindset that it is unfair people are blaming the Saudis, chances of WWE doing anything themselves are slim to none.

WWE would still be catching a ton of heat even if they never had any involvement with or were hated by Trump. In a way, WWE brought this to themselves with their constant and unashamed PR blabber about being a driver of progress for women's wrestling.

Pretty much night & day of how WWE was treated for an event in the UAE I believe when it came to women's wrestling. The government didn't ban it because of ultra conservative religious reasons and WWE's women wrestlers wore full body gear as an acceptable compromise.
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You're putting the cart before the horse there. People are upset becaus of Saudi Arabia's human rights abuses and the corruption of the regime. If the regime is corrupt because of Trump, sure, they might be mad at Trump too, but the terms aren't conditional based on that. It's because Saudi Arabia is a shitty, shitty place that does shitty, shitty things to its people.
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You're putting the cart before the horse there. People are upset becaus of Saudi Arabia's human rights abuses and the corruption of the regime. If the regime is corrupt because of Trump, sure, they might be mad at Trump too, but the terms aren't conditional based on that. It's because Saudi Arabia is a shitty, shitty place that does shitty, shitty things to its people.
Correct, but Trumps response to this incident, and the comments he made which are so absurd, saying about he wants their money so it doesn't go to Russia and rouge hit squads, that the media is pushing back against all things Saudi, including Crown Jewel.

WWE should have bailed from the deal after the Saudis were upset about Carmella in a promotional video and Davari got death threats after the GRR.
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Correct, but Trumps response to this incident, and the comments he made which are so absurd, saying about he wants their money so it doesn't go to Russia and rouge hit squads, that the media is pushing back against all things Saudi, including Crown Jewel.

WWE should have bailed from the deal after the Saudis were upset about Carmella in a promotional video and Davari got death threats after the GRR.
Okay, but Trump's response and WWE's response are both awful. I don't think they need to be causally linked. And yeah, WWE should have bailed from the deal earlier. Hell, they shouldn't have made it.
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Good... was an embarrassing post by The Rock
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But yeah basically like 75% of the world's most famous / powerful people did the same thing
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Rock might have just been misinformed. Dude is trying to blow up his spot for clicks.
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I see nothing wrong with his post. If being a nice person and listening to other's views is embarrassing then that's pretty sad. That's what America is all about but people don't like to listen to views they don't share anymore.
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All of the famous people who did PR for Saudi Arabia should be criticized for it

Why should he be exempt from criticism?

A reporter is asking him to follow up to see if his thoughts have changed.
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I see nothing wrong with his post. If being a nice person and listening to other's views is embarrassing then that's pretty sad. That's what America is all about but people don't like to listen to views they don't share anymore.
Doing propaganda for a mass murdering dictator to your millions of fans isn't just "being a nice person and listening to other people's views"
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All of the famous people who did PR for Saudi Arabia should be criticized for it

Why should he be exempt from criticism?

A reporter is asking him to follow up to see if his thoughts have changed.
They can be criticized but there's likely a much better way to go about it than shaming him on social media.
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The Rock will be the next President after Trump probably.
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Keep in mind, they could have just drank the kool-aid and thought the dude was actually "progressive" only to later realize otherwise.
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Doing propaganda for a mass murdering dictator to your millions of fans isn't just "being a nice person and listening to other people's views"
You say he's a mass murdering dictator, I don't know about that.
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Keep in mind, they could have just drank the kool-aid and thought the dude was actually "progressive" only to later realize otherwise.
Highly doubt it or else they would have no problem pulling out of the deal by now. If they actually thought they were conned or played, the embassy scandal gave them the perfect excuse to pull out while saving face.

Between what's been reported about the deal and their own actions, WWE comes off as only caring about the money and having no issue sprouting whatever message the Saudis want put out.
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More sites starting to report Cena/Dbry have told WWE they aren't working Crown Jewel and Roman being injured for a few weeks
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Technically he isn't a dictator, he is the son of a dictator lol
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More sites starting to report Cena/Dbry have told WWE they aren't working Crown Jewel and Roman being injured for a few weeks
I would not be surprised if WWE simply tapes their matches elsewhere and use tricky editing cuts to appear they are actually there. Close ups on the action, spliced in shots of the audience at Saudi Arabia, then back to the pretaped match.

They might also do something where Bryan gets an injury angle, and Joe takes his spot in the match.

Cena is easy, they could just say he forfeit's his match in the American Cup.

Roman being injured also doesn't really matter in a triple threat. They can hide/work around that.

In the end good for Bryan and Cena for not compromising their morals if the story is true about them refusing to go. It is nothing but a cash grab.

I think too as a fan, this doesn't feel like the last show thanks to the last show. GRR felt like it was gonna be a HUGE event, then it ended up being a worthless house show. No title changes, no storylines, bell even the actual GRR meant nothing, Braun didn't get anything from winning other than a green title that has never been used since. No title shots, they don't even mention it on tv.

My point is I would not be upset one bit if they cancelled it, because it just isn't important, and with it not being important all that is left is being offended WWE is willing to overlook everything for maybe $45 Million. Which by the way, WWE as a company is worth roughly $6.5 Billion, so we are talking about them overlooking horrific things to make less than 1% of their total value.
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