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Old 05-03-2023, 02:36 PM   #41
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Haha glad I stopped watching.
Apparently the “smackdown guys in the Raw championship tournament” was one of the commentators misspeaking. Not sure that’s enough to get you to start watching again but wanted to clarify.
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Apparently the “smackdown guys in the Raw championship tournament” was one of the commentators misspeaking. Not sure that’s enough to get you to start watching again but wanted to clarify.
You're correct. Michael Cole misspoke and Heyman essentially clarified it during his promo on RAW where he suggested that Reigns couldn't compete for the strap since he was exclusive to Smackdown.
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I still think Gunther is the way to go. Unless they go with someone else completely shocking. If they do a Drew McIntyre win, they should have Paul Heyman advise him throughout the tournament so that he’s got control of both champs. But I think Apollo Crews could play that role too. But maybe he doesn’t necessarily have to win.
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Apparently the “smackdown guys in the Raw championship tournament” was one of the commentators misspeaking. Not sure that’s enough to get you to start watching again but wanted to clarify.
I watched Mania this year and I think I might just do that each year, watching the video packages was the best part although some of the matches were really enjoyable too.
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Looks like it's going to be an inter-promotional match at Night of Champions
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Old 05-06-2023, 08:06 AM   #47
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Apparently the “smackdown guys in the Raw championship tournament” was one of the commentators misspeaking. Not sure that’s enough to get you to start watching again but wanted to clarify.
Or not then.
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Old 05-06-2023, 04:22 PM   #48
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I'm sorry, I've been out of the loop for 7 years. What's the fucking point of this idea?
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I think Seth is going to be taken out of the tournament by Logan Paul or Omos. He’ll be the guy who loses to a heel. Probably…Finn Balor? Cody beats Balor. SmackDown will offer up a heel then. Solo Sikoa for The Bloodline? Cody wins the World Heavyweight Title and pretends to be the champion we deserve.

Roman flattens Cody at some point and MITB is cashed in by a heel. Not sure who that is going to be. Cody challenges Roman at Mania 40.
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That’s not what I WANT to happen, but that’s my prediction.
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SmackDown
Edge
Austin Theory
Rey Mysterio
Bobby Lashley
AJ Styles
Sheamus

Raw
Finn Balor
Cody Rhodes
Damien Priest
Seth Rollins
Shinsuke Nakamura
The Miz

All announced. That’s 12 which obviously doesn’t lead to a 1-on-1 final. Guessing they add more?
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lol I swear no one pays attention.

Next week there are 2 triple threat matches on each show with the winners facing each other in the main event of that night to determine who goes on to fight for the title at Night of Champions. It'll be someone from the RAW list v someone from the SD list in the final as such.
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Also if someone from SD wins they become a RAW talent. I noticed you guys going off the rails about that like it's a difficult concept so I figure I needed to spell that one out for you guys too.
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"Weird" that the US champ gets to be a part of this but that the IC champ doesn't.
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"Weird" that the US champ gets to be a part of this but that the IC champ doesn't.
It definitely is but I think it's because he's already lined up to be one of the earlier challengers for it, maybe even the first. I'm hoping so anyways. Main event Gunther ftw.
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If the talk of this being a workhorse title isn't just lip service, and it's meant to be consisently defended in high quality matches, you could do a lot worse than Shinsuke Nakamura for that role.

He would have to step up his game again, as opposed to the complacency he's been in the last few years, but if given something like this to really sink his teeth into, I think he'd do just that.
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I would love Shinsuke to win it but knowing how they have treated him and title runs I'm worried they'd blow it again. It would def make up for booking him like once every 4 months when he was IC champ he got to be the workhorse champ though.
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Seems to me like even having Smackdown guys in it is because one of them will win it and change brands.

Edge as a part timer is out, since that is the whole purpose of this title.
Theory isn't going to be a double champ.
Not Rey since LWO is just getting started, seems unlikely they would mix the WHC with that.
AJ Styles would be a great choice for the workhorse part of it, but he just came back, are they REALLY gonna send him to Raw and split him from the OC again lol

That leaves Sheamus, who would be a great choice, get him to Raw and set up Walter taking the World Title from him.
Lashley, who lost the WWE Title twice with neither being a clean loss, would certainly be instantly believable.
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Lots of faces from SmackDown. They could do face vs. face, but it could suggest that Austin Theory gets into the Night of Champions match, maybe even wins the whole thing. After all, the US Title is basically what the World Title is — the belt that Roman doesn’t have.

Or it would imply that a heel is going to make it from the Raw side. Finn Balor seems like the best choice there. A final between Balor and Edge?

Man, I’m really not feeling this haha.
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Rollins is the most sensible pick out of the bunch.
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He's been the most consistent performer of the lot. If it wasn't for Reigns' historic reign, I'd reckon him or McIntyre would've had been world champion over the last couple of years.
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I'm expecting Brock Lesnar to interfere in Rhodes' match so he gets removed from the tournament. It'd be very anti-climactic if he ends up winning the new strap. With all the chatter about "finishing the story" and not being able to beat the Tribal Chief...it'd immediately peg the new belt as second rate. It's all about perception, isn't it?
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Old 05-08-2023, 06:36 AM   #69
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There's no doubt in my mind. It's just about perception. Come to think of it...the Universal Championship has been pegged as the top prize since its inception. Even during those champion vs champion bouts at Survivor Series, the Universal Champion always bested the WWE Champion.

I am genuinely curious to see how they consolidate Reigns' titles.
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lol I swear no one pays attention.

Next week there are 2 triple threat matches on each show with the winners facing each other in the main event of that night to determine who goes on to fight for the title at Night of Champions. It'll be someone from the RAW list v someone from the SD list in the final as such.
I skimmed through the video that’s posted above.
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Also if someone from SD wins they become a RAW talent. I noticed you guys going off the rails about that like it's a difficult concept so I figure I needed to spell that one out for you guys too.
Have they said that explicitly? They may have, as above, I don’t pay all that much attention.

It’d be the likely outcome but still doesn’t make sense of why SmackDown guys would even be involved in a tournament designed to crown a new champ for Raw.
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In kayfabe I mean.
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Old 05-08-2023, 01:52 PM   #73
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From the moment HHH announced it it came off as Romans had the title forever so heres a new one. Hes going to be going back to SD only and will be champion there and this title will be for RAW. Everyone is eligible to compete for it except for Roman Reigns, the SD champion because if he wins it then RAW still doesn't have a title. That was my takeaway from watching it live and I have no idea why everyone has been so confused about this.

I also don't get the complaint about SD guys getting a shot at the new title. Making it open like they have means you get the best out of everyone competing for it which is what a title should have if its to be taken seriously. Your inaugural champion is shown to be top quality across the board, not just RAW. It's not much but it makes the title a bit more serious. If a SD guy gets it it functionally becomes an extra draft pick for RAW, big whoop. Can immediately bring someone over the can shine at the top but otherwise wouldn't have the chance to given it seems like Roman is going to hold the title he has for at least another year.
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I mean really, looking at some other pieces in play, I honestly expect Lashley is walking out with this. All the rumors of The Hurt Business reforming a few months ago, possibly as a feud with Bray and whatever faction he was planned to build, fell apart because of brays injury. Then you have Omos, Cedrix Alexander, Omos and MVP all becoming free agents, while Bobby goes to SD. I feel like they are angling towards making Bobby champion, moving him back, and then having the rest of them follow him wherever. Maybe the have them as free agents in case they change plans they don't have to come up with an excuse to suddenly jump those guys to SD with Bobby.

I dunno, it's a lot of moving pieces, but I really feel like Lashley is gonna get a run here. Also considering Wyatt is returning soon and they are looking to refine his gimmick a bit, and RAW being a bit soft on main event heels right now, I could see them throwing Bray back at him again as an initial challenger for the new title as a catalyst to get The Hurt Business reunion back in motion. Also possibly the rest of them turning on Omos and him being a heel challenger to Lashley. Could also turn them heel to make up for the lack at the top, I just don't know if they'll want to go straight to another heel champ for RAW considering thats all we've had for 3 years for both shows pretty much.
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tl;dr there are a lot of conveniently placed pieces that suddenly make a lot more sense if Lashley becoming champ is the plan.
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Lashley wouldn’t be shocking. I can see them wanting him as champion from a representation standpoint too. He’s the only black guy in the tournament.

I’m with XL though — have their explicitly stated that the belt is a Raw belt? Or is it just the “whenever Roman isn’t here you can main event” belt? Because I can see whoever is champion showing up on SmackDown too. They basically did this with the World Heavyweight Title for a year and a bit until they unified it, didn’t they?

This will also be the one that the Money in the Bank winner can steal.

If Lashley doesn’t win the World Heavyweight Title, I think he’s on a shortlist of guys to maybe even take Roman’s off him.
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Ya... The new title is a Raw title. Its not hard to figure out if a SD person wins then they will go to Raw. Same way that all the titles have worked when they had separate titles for each show.

It has only been done for a decade.....
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There’s a big difference between fans reading into that and then actually explicitly stating it. If whoever wins the belt shows up on SmackDown before SummerSlam, y’all owe XL and me a Coke.
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There’s also what they say and what they actually do. It doesn’t make sense to have a SmackDown side to a tournament to crown a Raw champion after those wrestlers were specifically drafted to be assets to SmackDown.
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