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Old 11-13-2020, 06:31 AM   #1
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The WWF in 1991

So, this week, SCG Radio returns with the first episode of a mini-series covering 1991 in the WWF, and I thought it might be worth starting a thread and get some talk going about what was an insane year in the WWF's history.

In this first part, we discuss the absolute disaster that was the Sgt. Slaughter push, leading to and through the Royal Rumble, the shocking decision to put the World Title on him, and the feud with Hulk Hogan. Discussing all the media fallout, the promos, the presentation of the angle as well as backstage notes on feelings behind-the-scenes, the show breaks down Vince McMahon's terrible decision to exploit the Persian Gulf War so shamelessly. Check it out and let us know your thoughts - I'm particularly interested in the long-term fans take on how you viewed the Slaughter push as it happened.

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Old 11-13-2020, 08:49 AM   #2
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As always, appreciate the podcasts. Tremendous work. Hope things are holding up as steady as they can be in the UK. More SCG Radio! More!
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Damn wish I was able to ask a question about Kane/Dreamer's career in 1991
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Old 11-15-2020, 01:56 PM   #5
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Looking forward to part 2. Biggest question is; will it really be out next week?
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The Kyle Ross episodes have been put out consistently. Iíve got the faith.
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Fear not gentlemen - SCG Radio returns this week for the second part of our series covering the WWF in 1991! Today, Liam O'Rourke and Kyle Ross look at WrestleMania 7, all the highs and lows of the show, notes on the success or failure of the event (spoiler: it was a failure), moves Vince McMahon made between January and March in the bodybuilding world, a notable doctor gets indicted, and we talk all about the undercard scene for the first three months of the year, all with notes, facts and figures from the Wrestling Observer newsletters of the period. A ton of fun, check it out and let us know what you think!

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I just can't get into 1990-92 WWF. I stopped watching at around 90 and started again around 94.

I only watch older footage nowadays and I still can't into this time period
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Old 11-28-2020, 04:44 PM   #11
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I'm just going to throw some mental spaghetti at the wall here, and see what sticks. My brain can only do that on this right now.

I think that 1991 can be seen as a bit of an experimental year for the WWF, and here's why.

In 1991, the WWF ended up, in it's main event scene, doing something that kind of resembled a lite version of what, 6 years later, ended up being 'The Attitude Era'.

The 1991 storyline that travelled that road involved the following 8 talents.

Hulk Hogan
The Ultimate Warrior
'Macho Man' Randy Savage
Miss Elizabeth
Sid Justice
Jake 'The Snake' Roberts
Paul Bearer
The UnderTaker

The 1st half of the storyline, from what I observed, was Jake engaging in his manipulations of Ultimate Warrior. that was triggered by A] UnderTaker dumping Warrior into the steel casket on the Funeral Parlor, and B] Jake's descent into darkness after Earthquake ended Damien, and turned Damien into food.

That kind of material is not really something that would be geared too well to an audience of kids ranging in age from 7-11 for 1991 standards.

Due to the fact that, after SummerSlam 1991, we didn't get to see the payoff between Roberts & Warrior(which would've led to Roberts being liquified by an intensely pissed off Warrior), everything about that transitioned into the other 5 getting involved in a 2-front narrative, with the first front being Sid coming to Savage and Liz's rescue at the failed reception, and then Taker going after the WWF Championship held by Hogan.

The darkest parts of the 2nd half ended up being A] the king cobra biting Savage, B] Roberts slapping Elizabeth, and C] Roberts wanting to put Liz to sleep with a chair shot to the head.

As we know, Taker saved Liz, turned on Roberts, and beat him at WM VIII in 1992, which to me, ended all of the different parts of that storyline, with the rest of the remnants being swept away when Hogan beat Justice that same night. Possible that Sid's personality heeled off when he got exposed to Jake's corruptive influence?

It was a decent attempt to create more mature programming for the 1991 version of the WWF, but the fanbase wasn't really ready to see that happen yet, and it kind of flew under the radar. Had that happened 5 years later, in 1996, it'dve been given more attention, and the fans would've ate that narrative up like ThanksGiving/Christmas dinner.

Does that make sense?
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You had the right star and cultural zeitgeist when Austin was there in 1998 to really capitalize with Attitude. It wasn’t so much the content as it was the star vehicle.

By 1991, Hogan had just been around so much. It’s not that believable to see a guy remain on top for such a long time (it’s one of my big arguments against Undertaker and the streak).

This occurred to me during the 1990 series, but I do wonder just how important the shift in decade was to people’s perceptions and what Vince was thinking. The difference between 1989 and 1990 might be an arbitrary distance of one year, but people do tend to think in terms of time clusters. It’s satisfying to try and categorize “90’s culture,” even though 1998 is as close to 2006 as it is 1990. And that’s a reality promoters might have to wrestle with, even if they don’t go in for it. How fans were looking at the WWF and Hulk Hogan through the prism of the 90’s could have been a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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I loved the latter half of 91 going into 92.

Savage Roberts Feud was highly enjoyable
Summerslam 91 has always been one of my favorites
Flair joining WWF
Sid joining WWF
Bret starting solo career
Rockers breakup and HBK starting solo career shortly thereafter
92 Rumble

Regarding sihfts....
89 going to 90 felt like a big shift in presentation/roster

1999-2000 by comparison felt relatively the same between both years. I dont think that shift was really felt until 2002 or so.

I thought 1993 also felt like a shift year
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