01-18-2019, 11:20 AM | #1761 |
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01-18-2019, 12:10 PM | #1762 | |
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Yeah it allows them the freedom to take risk with their product. Whatever that may be from Scarlett to more violent looking matches and such. Pop wouldn't air the OVE/LAX Barbwire Massacre match which honestly wast all that gruesome. I don't think the logic you are using about gaining the 40,000 lost fans from TV to live crowds makes any sense. I see you ignored the part about this company doing nothing but TV to non paying crowds as well. How is it not considered growth when you go from having no live events and doing 4 tapings a year to now doing live events all year and tapings every few weeks? It's nothing big but the company is getting back to the basics after spending years being solely dependent on TV money. I get not liking the cinematic stuff that they've done, it doesn't seem to be your cup of tea between the Hardy's and Lucha Underground. It's not something everyone is going to like but it doesn't happen every week. It's just on segment of the show as well and not like everything is done that way. Certain stories are helped by it, I will say the LAX/OGz street fight one they did was bad but it did progress that story. I don't dig into their business metrics, I just watch the shows and can see the difference between now and a few years ago. I never claim to be smart, I'm not stupid but I am pretty reasonable. I mean I carry on with you even though we disagree on most things. |
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01-18-2019, 12:31 PM | #1763 |
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01-18-2019, 05:57 PM | #1764 | |
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TNA does not need more violence matches. We saw Eddie Edwards getting his face caved in and there seems to be plenty of garbage stuff on there. POP were right to not show that nonsense. Going somewhere that is going to allow them to be trashier is just going to mean a) they get perceived as being trashier, b) they become even more of a niche. Vince Russo was talking out his ass when he used standards and practices as an excuse for his WCW sucking, and Paul Heyman can tell you all about how ECW never managed to capture a wider audience. Holy fuck, I didn't ignore the point about them getting a few hundred people to pay for tickets at all. I explicitly asked if that revenue is going to account for the tens of thousands of TV viewers they have lost, and challenged your incoherent idea that their fan base has grown by asking whether or not these slightly larger crowds outweight the massive drop in viewership? The answer is no, Simple. Stop telling people that TNA is becoming more popular. It is a lie. It can be just one segment on a show. You can have just one nugget of shit on your sundae too. It's a tone and a presentation they are clearly proud of, and that's not how I personally like my wrestling. Others can like it if they want, but it's not surprise they are scaring off viewers. That is was my second original point -- 1) they are losing fans, 2) it's easy to see why. If you don't look at the business metrics, why are you engaging in conversations about them by saying things like they're growing, they're more popular, their TV deal is good, audiences are paying now, they are going to Twitch and that's the deal that matters, etc.? I would stay out of this thread if it weren't so much fun busting your fucking lies about how their business is getting better when there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim. You just talk down to people and say that they don't understand in an attempt to undermine their position without any actual talking points. It's shallow, it's cunty and it's something I think most people see through. I know that they're a different regime, I know that they charge a few folks for tickets and I knew they were doing this Twitch deal. But look at how desperate they are to get people to that given that they apparently need 15,000 people and they can't even get that because, newsflash, something else I know -- no one gives a fuck about TNA because they have been awful for a long time, and are still largely awful today. Fuck you. |
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01-18-2019, 06:58 PM | #1766 | |
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No I don't dig into their business metrics but it's clear they are doing good business when they've increased the number of shows they do a year by alot. That's common sense Noid. You don't expand your business if business is bad. They're not doing great business at all its just that they were doing zero business just a couple of years ago only trying to get TV taped. I don't think they are getting more popular but I do think they've found their identity and those who are fans of them are slowly coming around. Some won't ever and that's fine, they can be successful in the spot they're in now. No I say you don't know what you are talking about because most of the time you don't. You have a bais opinion about the promotion and do nothing but shit on it. If they were as bad as you put them out to be they'd be out of business by now. I don't glorify everything this company does and am pretty critical of them on things I haven't liked. I actually do have talking points but you usually ignore them or brush them off because lolTNA. Newsflash yourself it's Impact Wrestling now. You just need someone to love you Noid. |
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01-18-2019, 07:23 PM | #1767 | |
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Eddie getting his faced smashed in probably did more good for the company than anything. Was it a bad situation yeah but they capitalized on it and created some buzz for themselves. Now before you say they didn't create any buzz let me explain for you, TMZ covered that story and Impact hadn't had that type of exposure in awhile. I honestly think finding a niche following would be best for them and is what they're actully trying to do. They don't need to try and be anything bigger, they've failed to many times. |
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01-18-2019, 09:08 PM | #1768 | ||
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Don't lecture people on how TV works when it's clear you don't have the foggiest clue. And as for how much Pursuit pays? I'm willing to bet it isn't much. I was reading somewhere that they are actually getting some money for it, but that is probably the primary reason for taking it "in-house," as you say -- they don't need to pay shit for it and no one else will take it. If they were as bad as I say they would be out of business now? People have been predicting that for years, but some money mark always comes along and keeps them alive. Panda Energy floated it as a net loss for the longest time. It downsized considerably and has had cash-flow injections from Jeff Jarrett, Billy Corgan and probably others. Finally it's ended up the property of Anthem who want something to air, and it's been getting smaller and smaller all the while. It is dead, it's animated corpse just airs on TV for <60,000 people. It's clear they're doing good business when they increase the shows they are doing? Or they could just have a parent company that is paying the overhead and they are running them to try and convince people that there's still something happening there? Again, I ask you if there is any evidence to suggest that this "new revenue stream" makes up for losing their time slot and network deal? I'm going to take a while guess and suggest that more people have stopped watching TNA than have started going to live events, and that the revenue from that comes nowhere close to covering the expenses TNA runs at. That's not good business, dude. And you will see -- Anthem will try and keep this running for as long as they can to convert it into something, but I think by the end of next year this thing won't exist and will have been sold off to someone as digital content for their library. Probably WWE to do AJ Styles, Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle documentaries where they sit around going "LolTNA." And each one will be viewed several more times over than the latest episode of "Impact Wrestling." And they will and always have been TNA. They couldn't even distance themselves enough from "Impact," for years has been associated with TNA and their epic failure clashing with WWE and being thrown off Spike TV for ineptitude. Quote:
Who the fuck is a Pentagon, Fenix or Jeff Cobb? That's what most people who watch Raw or SmackDown would ask. They mean something to the people they mean something to. That is not the same as being a star. Pentagon and Fenix might mean something in Mexico, but to US domestic audiences they don't mean a fucking thing. What does "buzz" even mean? Since you know so much about the wrestling landscape and where it's going, please explain how TNA have managed to capitalize on "buzz" and turn it into anything? Which metric is increasing? Live events? We've tackled that. Their ratings certainly haven't gone up. They've gone down. 10,000 fans on Twitch? Add that to the <60,000 and you get 70,000 people "buzzing" about this product. That's 30,000 people less than were "buzzing" about it a month ago. What the fuck do you even mean? But it's good a dude got his face caved in for your enjoyment. |
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01-18-2019, 09:56 PM | #1769 |
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i wish impact had a preshow on twitch the chatroom is there and ready.
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01-18-2019, 10:14 PM | #1770 |
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allright we get josh at the ad brakes
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01-18-2019, 10:40 PM | #1771 |
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Watching on Twitch this week because my brother wants to watch the Warriors. Eddid vs Eli should be good.
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01-18-2019, 10:41 PM | #1772 |
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These GWN clips are also too long on Twitch.
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01-18-2019, 10:42 PM | #1773 |
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01-18-2019, 10:49 PM | #1774 |
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01-18-2019, 11:02 PM | #1775 |
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Rascals segments are great. Glad to see Rosemary back but I want to see her wrestle.
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01-18-2019, 11:10 PM | #1776 |
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it was cool rosemary was on the chatroom at the same time. twitch may be a better place to watch this then pursuit
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01-18-2019, 11:30 PM | #1777 |
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I agree, watched last week on Pursuit and every commercial break was the same loop. Josh breaking down ge show and reading comments is way better. His dog looks just like mine.
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01-18-2019, 11:48 PM | #1778 |
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LAX vs OVE has been done alot but its always good. I do hope they bring in some new tag teams though. Pillars of Destiny would fit in great with the current crop of teams.
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01-19-2019, 12:11 AM | #1779 |
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Good main event but I feel like Moose vs Cage would have been better to end the show. They really do need some fresh tag teams.
Did subscribe on Twitch and will probably watch more often from there seeing as the ad breaks are better. Will probably go back and watch off the DVR because I did miss some stuff because o was watching on my phone while conversing with my brothers. Next week I'll stream it through the X Box. |
01-19-2019, 12:15 AM | #1780 |
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01-19-2019, 02:25 AM | #1781 |
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01-19-2019, 06:01 AM | #1782 |
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01-20-2019, 05:28 PM | #1783 |
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Jeez, Steiner did not look in a good way in that clip.
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01-25-2019, 10:25 PM | #1784 |
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Impact is in 4 different 30 minute blocks on the Direct TV guide and only the first one is set to record. Not sure if it'll record the others or not but just thought that was weird.
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01-25-2019, 10:33 PM | #1785 |
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01-25-2019, 10:55 PM | #1786 |
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01-25-2019, 11:44 PM | #1787 |
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TNA hit a high with their streaming first week of <11,000. The following it went down to <8,000. It'll be interesting to see what the retention rate of this week is.
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01-26-2019, 12:16 AM | #1788 |
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01-26-2019, 12:17 AM | #1789 |
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01-26-2019, 12:17 AM | #1790 |
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01-26-2019, 12:20 AM | #1791 |
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01-26-2019, 12:28 AM | #1792 |
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01-26-2019, 07:56 PM | #1793 | |
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02-02-2019, 07:56 PM | #1794 |
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anyone watching the impact smash twich show it is a hoot. rosemary did her in ring return.
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02-04-2019, 09:46 AM | #1795 |
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02-04-2019, 10:53 AM | #1796 |
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02-04-2019, 11:36 AM | #1797 |
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Nah I only caught Rascalz vs ove, the Smash Wrestling championship match, and Johnny Impact vs Sami Callahan
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02-04-2019, 12:14 PM | #1798 |
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02-08-2019, 11:31 AM | #1799 |
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