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Old 02-22-2019, 01:18 AM   #41
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I just heard an interview Vince gave in 85 pumping up the Womens division. Lol not even a year later it was read on its ass and they had an awesome roster of female wrestlers in the mid 80s
Also didn't help that a couple years later, Moolah played a key role in the demise of the original women's tag division and screwed the division out of a big moment at Mania that year.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:22 AM   #42
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Pretty much can blame Moolah, Vince, Kevin Dunn, and John Laurinaitis for why women's wrestling was in such a bad shape for decades in WWE outside of brief moments.

Vince and Laurinaitis are the biggest offenders of that group. Vince never really wanted women's wrestling in WWE and Laurinaitis' basis for signings involved if he saw them in a magazine or considered them bar date worthy.
Good call on Moolah. She doesnt get enough blame for holding Women's wrestling down. She put the kibosh on the Jumping Bomb Angels vs Glamour Girls at Wrestlemania 2. Her matches were usually these half terrible comedy, half terrible wrestling 15 minute long bore fests. She was involved in screwing over Richter in November 1985 and pretty much killed the Women's Title for almost a decade depending on how you value Alundra's run. I'm not even counting the alleged abuse of the female talent. She was just the shits. Vince took her out of the ring in 84 to manage Leilani Kai and she should have stayed in that role because she was very effective. Just ugh.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:22 AM   #43
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Yeah, didn't Moolah pretty much put the brakes on the Jumping Bomb Angels when they started to get over in WWF?
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:22 AM   #44
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:23 AM   #45
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lol wtf was literally going to use the word kibosh, but then was like "nah"

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Old 02-22-2019, 01:24 AM   #46
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Like if you go back and watch women's matches not involving Moolah from like 83-85, they are having very fun matches. Not even counting the JBA/Crush Gals vs Glamour Girls in 86-87.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:26 AM   #47
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Yeah, I'm not as familiar with the stateside workers from that era, but what little I have seen, they knew how to work.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:26 AM   #48
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If Moolah kept to managing, you could have had her as the mega heel manager bringing in heels to challenge Richter like Judy Martin, Leilani Kai , Dump Matsumoto, Despina Montages. There was stuff to work with there and she killed it.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:30 AM   #49
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Yeah, I'm not as familiar with the stateside workers from that era, but what little I have seen, they knew how to work.
Check out Princess Victoria and Velvet McIntyre who were the first Womens Tag champs. They were a great team.
You also had Judy Martin, Peggy Lee, Leilani Kai, Despina Montages, Penny Mitchell, Deisree Peterson, Donna Christenello(she was kinda old by then), Wendi Richter of course, Susan Starr, Sherri Martel later on (always thought she was overrated). But yeah, the talent was right there and they were all wrestling throughout 83-86 WWF. Mix in the Japanesse talent too.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:45 AM   #50
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Good call on Moolah. She doesnt get enough blame for holding Women's wrestling down. She put the kibosh on the Jumping Bomb Angels vs Glamour Girls at Wrestlemania 2. Her matches were usually these half terrible comedy, half terrible wrestling 15 minute long bore fests. She was involved in screwing over Richter in November 1985 and pretty much killed the Women's Title for almost a decade depending on how you value Alundra's run. I'm not even counting the alleged abuse of the female talent. She was just the shits. Vince took her out of the ring in 84 to manage Leilani Kai and she should have stayed in that role because she was very effective. Just ugh.
Forgot where I read it before but women's wrestling in the US could have turned out a lot more differently had it kept following the trend of Mildred Burke instead of being overtaken by Moolah. Mae Young pretty much comes from Burke's side of wrestling and not Moolah's but she lacked the same level of influence to change things which is why Moolah remained dominate for decades.

Pretty much can pinpoint where it starts to diverge when Burke got divorced. It then moves more into Moolah's side after Moolah realizes she was never going to be a big star in women's wrestling unless she took it over and watered it down to match her lower skill level.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:49 AM   #51
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:51 AM   #52
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You're absolutely right. Her ex husband Billy Wolfe royally fucked over Mildred Burke and basically had her blackballed from the NWA and completely broke.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:57 AM   #53
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Wow. Moolah was a piece of shit.
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Is Moolah the most selfish person in wrestling history? I’m genuinely not trying to be hyperbolic, but she’s got to be pretty high up there.

Re: the fans/women’s wrestling: WWE didn’t care. If they don’t the fans aren’t. Gerty said something similar, and it’s spot on. Part of the work is leading your audiences. WWE led them very conclusively to the point of “this isn’t serious.”
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Moolah also blocked the women responsible for getting women's wrestling legalized in NY from working WWWF shows in the early '70s.
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Psychopaths usually are quite selfish.
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I’m trying to empathise with Moolah as an exercise. Being a woman in the industry must have been tough. But she made it so much tougher. She truly was a monster.
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