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Old 04-08-2019, 04:55 PM   #1401
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Now that I think about it, WrestleMania in Los Angeles one day is likely to be a logistics nightmare too.

The new NFL Stadium is nowhere near Staples Center and LA is pretty de-centralized and spread out in general.
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More ridiculous on commentary: Drunk Booker T or HBK that was possessed by Vince McMahon?
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Old 04-08-2019, 06:55 PM   #1403
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Some stats about Kofi Kingston's win last night.

1-First ever WWE Champion born in Africa(Kumasi, Ashanti, Ghana to be specific).

2-First ever WWE Champion who is a full-blood African-American(no racist, just simple statement of fact).

3-The 51st all-time possessor of the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.

4-Became the 30th Triple Crown Winner

5-Became the 20th overall Grand Slam Winner under either format.

Also, The New Day's role in WWE history has now been elevated to one that has changed something about the wrestling world(kind of like groups such as The Four Horsemen, the new World order, and D-Generation X before them).

With Kofi's win, I could see, in future, Xavier Woods and Big E also be in line for a title opportunity as well. I mean, why not do 'The Shield' treatment with The New Day?

In any event, I'm happy to see Kofi finally pull this one down, and now, become a WWE Legend.

I wonder what The New Day will have planned for SmackDown tomorrow night? XB
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I kind of hate that they throw around Grand Slam so willy-nilly now. Isn't the Grand Slam supposed to be the biggest championships in a sport? Yeah, in tennis it's four, but when you've got six openweight championships, it should be all six. Seth Rollins still needs to win the SmackDown Tag Team Titles; Randy Orton still needs to win the Universal Title; Roman Reigns still needs to win the SmackDown Tag Team Titles; Kofi Kingston still needs to win a Universal Title, etc.

Seems weird to me to say that Kofi is a Grand Slam Champion, but when there's a major championship he hasn't won (the major championship) it's like "oh, no, he hasn't won that."

There shouldn't be a recognized Grand Slam Champion at the moment. I guess you could make a case for Shawn Michaels having done it when that was a case of all the belts worth winning in WWE, but when you have guys winning 4/6 belts, it seems really trivial.

Kofi is the first African-born WWE Champion though. No disputing that one. WWE also recognized Booker T, Bobby Lashley and Mark Henry as black World Champions, so that makes him the fifth, although only Rock is recognized by an active World Title's history.
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Old 04-08-2019, 07:12 PM   #1405
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With the annual complaint about pillars obstructing views, I still can’t believe they don’t just go with something like WM24



The purpose of the pillars is to rig up the lights, speakers, and screens. And that’s what this does.

But no. WWE need to make it decorative (WM28/29) or make them giant LEDs so it looks flashy on TV even though it screws over thousands of paying customers.
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Outside of Ron Simmons and Booker T, did another black wrestler win the WCW Title? I don't think they did.

Have their been any black World Champions outside that? I think Bobo Brazil got a sniff, but I'm not sure if it's been recognized. Ron Killings in TNA doesn't count, lol. Nor does Ezekiel Jackson in WWECW count. I remember hearing something about the early days of the NWA Title, but I can't remember the name. I don't think it was a World Heavyweight Championship, looking into it briefly.
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Old 04-08-2019, 07:25 PM   #1407
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Apparently the NJ Transit was really upset with WWE after the show ended. WWE didn't bother to tell them the show was going to run beyond midnight and because of regulations, that's why transportation after the show was a nightmare.

Also seems Vince once again messed around with Mania plans since he decided during the pre-show to shuffle the card around. Universal title match wasn't originally planned to go on first nor was Hogan told about the changes which is why he was surprised to see Heyman on stage.
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Lol, kind of think Vince is losing it a bit.

Like, literally -- not just in a "boo, Vince doesn't do what I want" sort of way.
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I'm going to have to say fuck NJ transit. WWE didn't notify them the event wouldn't be over til after 12? Seriously? GTFOH, that's a garbage excuse instead of just admitting they got overwhelmed.

What happens when theres a baseball/basketball/football game and they run past midnight for whatever reason? Happens a lot. Do they get pissy at the league for not telling them in advance? I seriously doubt it. Just seems like such a petty complaint.
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Also I don't really see how the show ending before or after 12 should even have an impact. Are they suggesting that if the show ended 15-20 minutes earlier there wouldn't have been transit issues?
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I'm going to have to say fuck NJ transit. WWE didn't notify them the event wouldn't be over til after 12? Seriously? GTFOH, that's a garbage excuse instead of just admitting they got overwhelmed.

What happens when theres a baseball/basketball/football game and they run past midnight for whatever reason? Happens a lot. Do they get pissy at the league for not telling them in advance? I seriously doubt it. Just seems like such a petty complaint.
Well, if the game is delayed for whatever reason, it's a sporting event, so the delays are more to do with circumstances than the whims of an elderly billionaire. Plus, maybe those leagues do notifiy NJ Transit and let them know? I know that transit is notified over here when there is a major sporting or music event at the stadium, because they get extra buses and they're clearly prepared to get people out of central areas. It's how I actually know something is on, haha.
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Old 04-08-2019, 07:42 PM   #1412
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We also have signs on the outskirts of the stadium region that let people know to perhaps use outer city routes to avoid congestion. They're digitized and can be updated with traffic conditions.
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I imagine that it would also be fairly easy for NJ Transit to get the word out to Uber to notify their drivers that there could be good business in the area so people aren't waiting forever for one and there aren't people giving lifts for $200 or whatever it was. But really, if WWE had said "Hey, the show is probably going to go to 12:30," then they can have buses prepped pretty early to get people out -- boom, boom, boom. It's kind of their job to move around thousands of people. I think a dude working there could probably deal with it in an hour if he had known. You work out what the attendance of the building is going to be, how many seats do you need leaving the area, Bob's your uncle.

If they can't legally up transport at that time of night (not sure why that would be the case, but whatever), then that's something WWE, as a public events promotion company, should probably understand after running giant events for however many decades they have. It's also possible that WWE did know this, were told that there were going to be major issues if they went past *insert reasonable time here*, and Vince and co. just didn't care -- it's not their problem -- in which case I can imagine why some people would be pissed.

Don't really feel sorry for WWE getting blowback for not thinking about the logistics of this show -- especially when they tie it in to the locality of the events and the economic and ergonomic benefits of what doing business with a machine as polished as WWE means.
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I'm going to have to say fuck NJ transit. WWE didn't notify them the event wouldn't be over til after 12? Seriously? GTFOH, that's a garbage excuse instead of just admitting they got overwhelmed.

What happens when theres a baseball/basketball/football game and they run past midnight for whatever reason? Happens a lot. Do they get pissy at the league for not telling them in advance? I seriously doubt it. Just seems like such a petty complaint.
I'd assume its probably some mix of NJ's laws for transportation after midnight and wrestling not being counted as a sport but more as an entertainment or concert type event.

If it was counted as a sport, they'd have a lot more leeway to go beyond their stated end time for OT reasons.

Also seems WWE could have avoided this issue if they just called ahead of time since the way the NJ Transit worded it, WWE didn't even bother to inform them of the show running late.
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It's also likely that NJ Transit got a lot of complaints and pissed off people stranded at their stations yelling at them, tired out of their minds, because "you knew the show was on tonight, why didn't you prepare better?" and they were caught with their pants down, because they had no clue Vince was going to go that extent. There may have been a lot of abused workers with no authority, and even people with authority, who had no clue what was going on or why this would be happening, and it all could have been avoided if WWE communicated their plans.

This seems more WCW running late with PPVs, causing fans to call in pissed off they were ripped off and demanding refunds, when they could have just told the PPV providers they were going late, or just not run late, than it is NJ Transit having a hissy fit because somehow they knew there would be tens of thousands of people waiting for trains and didn't have any trains.
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Also I don't really see how the show ending before or after 12 should even have an impact. Are they suggesting that if the show ended 15-20 minutes earlier there wouldn't have been transit issues?
This article says NJ Transit thought the show was going to end at 10:30 for some reason... not sure why they thought that

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Didn't it start at 6:30? They probably looked at that and after doing misguised formal research calculated that WrestleManias go for 4 hours, perhaps not looking at the recent ones.
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Or someone in WWE miscommunicated. It seems wrestling fans were prepared for the show to be a marathon, but when people heard things like "16 matches?!" they were like "this is going to go on forever!" like they were surprised. And you can't really trust wrestling fans to hold a job down in transit, so I can understand why they might of thought the reasonable end time.
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WWE have also presented themselves as a show for kids and adults with curfews. What children's show ends up 12:30am?
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This article says NJ Transit thought the show was going to end at 10:30 for some reason... not sure why they thought that

https://www.nj.com/news/2019/04/nj-t...-the-rain.html
Someone must have screwed up big time and counted the pre-show as part of Mania's 5 hour run time instead of being a separate thing.

If you start at the pre-show, Mania would have ended at 10:00PM with 30 minutes of wiggle room for an over-run.
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Hearing all the nightmares of NJ Transit made me feel validated for my decision to run out of the stadium the second the main event ended. I don't know how many people fit onto that first double decker train but I was glad I was on it as I saw thousands of people queuing up waiting for the next one that didn't come for ages.
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Seriously love Becky but had I stayed to watch her celebrate it would've taken me another 2+ hours to get out of the stadium. What a nightmare.
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:58 AM   #1423
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:45 AM   #1424
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Outside of Ron Simmons and Booker T, did another black wrestler win the WCW Title? I don't think they did.

Have their been any black World Champions outside that? I think Bobo Brazil got a sniff, but I'm not sure if it's been recognized. Ron Killings in TNA doesn't count, lol. Nor does Ezekiel Jackson in WWECW count. I remember hearing something about the early days of the NWA Title, but I can't remember the name. I don't think it was a World Heavyweight Championship, looking into it briefly.
Rock technically won the WCW title.
Mark Henry won the WHC
Lashley won WWECW
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I thought WM was awesome but you nerds probably still have shit to complain about even with the 3 internet favorites winning.
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:09 PM   #1426
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Lol You found a 7 hour pro wrestling show “awesome”. Fucking uber nerd.
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Old 04-09-2019, 12:35 PM   #1427
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Transit is full of shit. Pro sporting events go into overtime. Concerts play encores. They got overwhelmed, fucked up, and are trying to pass the buck.
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:29 PM   #1428
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I'd like to know what they do for Giants Sunday night games (the jets never play on Sunday night) when the game doesn't end til 11:45
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:32 PM   #1429
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WWE have also presented themselves as a show for kids and adults with curfews. What children's show ends up 12:30am?
I was sitting next to a kid who got there at 6:45 and threw a fit to leave at like 8 which they did.

I know that Dad had to be pissed
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Old 04-09-2019, 02:37 PM   #1430
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I'd like to know what they do for Giants Sunday night games (the jets never play on Sunday night) when the game doesn't end til 11:45
They will bend over backward to suck the cock of football.
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Old 04-09-2019, 04:20 PM   #1431
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:43 PM   #1433
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WWE ended up fining the ref who botched the pinfall count in the main event.

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Initially, referee Rod Zapata gained heat for the finish among some backstage, but that quickly seemed dissipate. However, at Monday's WWE Raw, Zapata was pulled aside by Vince McMahon, who discussed the situation, and Zapata was subsequently fined for the main event finish.

WWE referees are often instructed to call matches as shoots, and to only count when a wrestler's shoulders are on the mat. The stance from many, including Zapata, was that the match was laid out ahead of time and that Rousey in particular could have struggled to regain her bearings if the scheduled finish didn't work out. The pinfall was supposed to happen off the crucifix, but McMahon told Zapata that he should have waited until the shoulders were down to count the three, and if any of the performers in the ring ended up struggling to regain their footing, that would
Also seems the botch was made worse because of production deciding to replay the finish with the shot of Ronda's shoulder off the mat and Graves not keeping his mouth shut when the botch happened.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:51 PM   #1434
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I am surprised they did not have one of the 2 main refs doing the match, ether rudy or little natch.
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Old 04-09-2019, 09:22 PM   #1435
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Lol You found a 7 hour pro wrestling show “awesome”. Fucking uber nerd.
It was only 5 for me cause i'm not enough of a nerd to waste time on a pre show.
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Old 04-10-2019, 09:17 AM   #1437
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WWE ended up fining the ref who botched the pinfall count in the main event.



Also seems the botch was made worse because of production deciding to replay the finish with the shot of Ronda's shoulder off the mat and Graves not keeping his mouth shut when the botch happened.
I don't think they had much of a choice. Unless they knew the exact spot for the finish, which I doubt, the spot was an obvious botch, how could you not mention the abnormality of the situation? Why do they blame the ref? Rhonda should have kept her shoulders down and Becky should have made sure that the pin was tight.

I guess the ref could have just restarted the count but that as well would have been weird and anticlimatic.
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Old 04-10-2019, 12:30 PM   #1438
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I like how in the highlights they have to make the screen black during the pinfall

I wonder if they'll edit it on the network to a different camera angle
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Old 04-10-2019, 02:50 PM   #1439
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I like how in the highlights they have to make the screen black during the pinfall

I wonder if they'll edit it on the network to a different camera angle
They did that for most of the match highlights not just the main event I thought.
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