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Old 08-27-2020, 05:49 PM   #57001
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He reduced his punishment to a fine, and his main problem wasn't necessarily that they they were a face and heel hanging out together, but rather a face and heel who are currently in a program together hanging out.

Even then, his main issue wasn't that they were doing it, but rather it was found out that they were doing it. I don't think he even blamed Sonya and Mandy for it, as it was mentioned The Sheik used to hang out with faces occasionally. But no matter the circumstances, if a face was caught fraternizing with a heel in the old days, they were fined or fired.

It's an old school mentality that isn't relevant today. I agree with cornette on how the actual wrestling programming should be done to make the viewer forget that it's scripted and lose themselves in the story, but wrestlers adhering to kayfabe outside the ring isn't going to bring any of the "magic" wrestling had, back. That toothpaste is never going back in the bottle no matter what you do, so I don't expect wrestlers to live their lives by those old standards.

Within reason of course. I don't care about faces and heels hanging out or doing podcasts, but stuff like Jericho and Omega doing a podcast about their match literally the day afterwards is a bit much.
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The transcript for that episode mentioned him first saying WWE should have fined them and then changing his mind saying they should have been fired instead.

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Cornette was mad at the fact that Rose and Deville broke kayfabe by staying together (as that information came out during the Sonya Deville – stalker incident).

“It’s okay if they were in their homes together and then nobody found out, but if it becomes public they must be fined.”

Cornette then changed his mind and said that they should be fired for it.

“Hair vs. Hair match… Oh for f*ck’s sake! Well, they’re both attractive looking young ladies, so who’s gonna bite that bullet. One of them is just going to shave their f*cking head.

Well, once again if I mean I’m all in favor. That’s a match you can’t call. The finish to it, and I think it would be a big draw, if they could actually sell tickets. They can’t even sell pay-per-view because there’s no such thing anymore. It’s on the network, right? So why the f*ck would either one of them want to get their head shaved?

Are they just paying a bonus for the hell of it? But nevertheless, okay they’re wrestling on the big show. They’re just in the world wide news in each other’s home.

I say f*cking fire them! I’d fire them. Fire them in six months like they did with Gallows and Anderson. When they fired then it was convenient, but fun. Got to be consistent f*cking sh*tting on their f*cking match right in their home.”
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Old 08-27-2020, 05:58 PM   #57003
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Him and Meltzer have had some really bad opinions and views on women's wrestling in recent times.
He's not wrong about a lot of it. He clarified recently that they're trying to push women as equally as men when there aren't nearly as many good female workers as there are men.

Again, as I've said many times, the Women's Revolution doesn't really work because they don't have the depth ton the roster to make it work. You've got a handful of good to great workers, and the rest are anywhere from tolerable to the drizzling shits. And they seem to really like pushing the ones who are the drizzling shits.

What I don't agree with cornette is WHO can work. He doesn't seem to like any of the japanese women, for instance, whereas I'd argue they're the most polished female workers there. Hell, most people would agree Asuka and Kairi, were the most entertaining act for a while on Raw and Smackdown.

Meanwhile, he fawns over Rhea Ripley who is certainly talented, but also still green as grass. I like her, and I think she'll eventually join that handful of great workers, but as of right now, I don't get perticularly hyped for her matches.
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Old 08-27-2020, 05:59 PM   #57004
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The transcript for that episode mentioned him first saying WWE should have fined them and then changing his mind saying they should have been fired instead.
I think that was just him getting worked up by Brian Last.
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Old 08-27-2020, 06:03 PM   #57005
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Either way, I'm not agreeing with him or anything. Just saying his opinion on it is more because of the time he worked in the business and how it would have played out then, as opposed to hm just being a terrible person or anything like that.
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He's not wrong about a lot of it. He clarified recently that they're trying to push women as equally as men when there aren't nearly as many good female workers as there are men.

Again, as I've said many times, the Women's Revolution doesn't really work because they don't have the depth ton the roster to make it work. You've got a handful of good to great workers, and the rest are anywhere from tolerable to the drizzling shits. And they seem to really like pushing the ones who are the drizzling shits.
I'd blame WWE's general incompetence way more for any failures with the Women's Revolution and Evolution movements than anything depth or talent related.

I'd also argue that WWE does have the depth needed to make it be a real game changer but have been constantly stunting its true potential because they simply can't get away from their bad habits. NXT has already shown that when you take away WWE's bad approach to things, a women's division can easily thrive and be just as successful in carrying a brand as their men's division.

Like only WWE could take something as monumental as women main eventing Mania for the first time and instead of using that as the springboard of the next big phase, they quickly squander all of that momentum because they never actually cared about it to begin with. That showed big time once Ronda left.
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I don't really like women's wrestling. Women's MMA is different but I'm just not into women's wrestling beyond the greats.
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Old 08-27-2020, 11:00 PM   #57010
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Armstrong was lying on a bench, doing two-arm pullovers with about 180 pounds when his world turned upside down. “The bench wasn’t nailed down or bolted down. It was my fault completely,” he said. “I had just started to pull it over when the bench slid and broke and all the weight came down on my face. It tore my nose off and broke every bone in my face
His son Brad, Ronnie Garvin, and Pez Whatley helped him get emergency treatment. “My face was just about gone. It turned black, blue, and yellow with no nose. We put a sheet over my head so that people wouldn’t scream. They put me back together but it took a while and I lost about 30 pounds, maybe more"
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Yeah the truth behind The Bullet gimmick is some Ed Leslie level shit.
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Meltzer had an interesting lengthy story in this week's Observer Newsletter and reposted in the Sheets thread about Armstrong's career in Georgia Championship Wrestling and a big feud with Roddy Rowdy Piper he had back in the early 80s.

Basically that feud managed to generate the first ever million viewers shows for cable TV wrestling in the US but because of a poor booking decision by Ole Anderson, it also killed a potential big money maker feud and Piper as a big draw for the company. Owner of GCW wanted Piper to win while Ole Anderson refused since he didn't want an outsider to beat one of his stars and as a result quickly deflated both the feud's drawing power and Piper's star power during his time there.
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Cornette is right most of the time because his arguments are based on logic and things just making sense.

Brian Last was right to blow up on him for skipping Io vs Dakota though. That was a good match. I've banged on about the problems with modern women's wrestling on here before, so I don't blame Cornette for skipping women's matches but fuck's sake, he keeps watching the shitty ones, and skipping over the good ones. No wonder Brian lost it.
Lol, I don’t blame Cornette though. It’s just banter between the two, and I think Corny does it to prove a point now, but it’s a valid point. Audiences don’t owe talent their attention. You have to win them over. There’s so much bad shit that the good shit doesn’t get a chance. Cornette would not be unique in this.

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Didn't he also get into some hot water recently in regards to him saying WWE should have fired both Sonya Deville and Mandy Rose for breaking kayfabe following Deville's stalker incident.

Him and Meltzer have had some really bad opinions and views on women's wrestling in recent times.
I listen to all Cornette’s podcasts, and I don’t remember anything about this re: Sonya’s stalking incident. All he he did was say that it’s horrible, but joked that’s probably her bad luck, so now would be the worst time to take time off. His only quip about them being friendly with each other was in dismissing whoever cut the promo because no one buys any of it because everyone knows they’re really besties.
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He 100% said they should be fired, backed down to saying a fine and/or 6 month "cool off" period all in the name of kayfabe


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Cornette stated that WWE should have at least fined Rose and Deville for being caught together in that situation. Another alternative would be to wait about six months for the “heat to die down and then fire them.” He also chastised Deville for taking Rose to the police to begin with as he alluded that Sonya Deville should have kayfabed a very real and scary situation.
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Lol, I don’t blame Cornette though. It’s just banter between the two, and I think Corny does it to prove a point now, but it’s a valid point. Audiences don’t owe talent their attention. You have to win them over. There’s so much bad shit that the good shit doesn’t get a chance. Cornette would not be unique in this.



I listen to all Cornette’s podcasts, and I don’t remember anything about this re: Sonya’s stalking incident. All he he did was say that it’s horrible, but joked that’s probably her bad luck, so now would be the worst time to take time off. His only quip about them being friendly with each other was in dismissing whoever cut the promo because no one buys any of it because everyone knows they’re really besties.
Nah, I listened to that episode and he definitely said all that stuff. Like I said earlier, I don’t think he said any of it out of anger towards Sonya or Mandy. He just comes from an era that was very unforgiving about that.
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No different than his thoughts on HBK during the Curtain Call.
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Old 08-29-2020, 01:22 AM   #57024
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look up the definition.
define the actual controversy, again we're not talking about the orange one
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Old 08-29-2020, 10:29 AM   #57028
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Old 08-29-2020, 11:38 AM   #57029
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The Omega thing speaks to how Twitter is some weird, imaginary world. People going bonkers over this. It fucking means nothing...Omega literally just messing around, maybe creating a bit of buzz. Yet, you read the responses, it's this whole "thing." Jesus.
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Old 08-29-2020, 01:32 PM   #57031
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Actually, it's not just wrestling Twitter, it's all of Twitter.

I've seen people get attacked for posting BEFORE and AFTER pictures of weight loss/muscle gain bc they are "Fat Phobic" and 'Fat Shaming"
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Old 08-29-2020, 01:59 PM   #57032
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If you're posting Tweets please do a quick synopsis for those of us that loath clicking unsatisfying links to idiotic opinions.

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Old 08-29-2020, 02:47 PM   #57033
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PWI really named Moxley wrestler of the year?!?!? Based on what, like 15 matches and the same exact promo for a year straight?

Just wow. Not even thinking about outside feds, Jericho and Cody both blew what Mox has done of of the water.
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Old 08-29-2020, 04:29 PM   #57034
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why am i not surprised that someone like mr. nerfect would be a cornette apologist. pretentious contrarians are the worst.
There’s nothing to defend. I just didn’t remember him saying it. I must have zoned out. He’s not wrong. Wrestling is way better when people stick to kayfabe. It should be part of the job. If Sonya and Mandy are feuding, they shouldn’t be going to get their nails done together or whatever.
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It’s sad that wrestlers are better left to their own devices than be serviced by their TV exposure.
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Old 08-29-2020, 06:18 PM   #57036
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PWI really named Moxley wrestler of the year?!?!? Based on what, like 15 matches and the same exact promo for a year straight?

Just wow. Not even thinking about outside feds, Jericho and Cody both blew what Mox has done of of the water.
PWI's rankings are based a lot more on kayfabe, star status, and championship reigns than anything work related.

AEW taking the top spot with Moxley either means PWI now recognizes AEW and their World title being equal to WWE and their WWE title or just felt Moxley's top star status and lengthy AEW title reign was enough to surpass anyone from WWE for rankings.

Adam Cole pretty much took WWE's highest spot at #2 due to his top star status in NXT and record setting NXT title reign despite the belt being lower in prestige than WWE's top belts.
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Old 08-29-2020, 06:39 PM   #57037
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PWI's rankings are based a lot more on kayfabe, star status, and championship reigns than anything work related.

AEW taking the top spot with Moxley either means PWI now recognizes AEW and their World title being equal to WWE and their WWE title or just felt Moxley's top star status and lengthy AEW title reign was enough to surpass anyone from WWE for rankings.

Adam Cole pretty much took WWE's highest spot at #2 due to his top star status in NXT and record setting NXT title reign despite the belt being lower in prestige than WWE's top belts.
Sure, but that still doesn't explain him being ranked higher than Cody and Jericho. I just don't think Moxley comes close to either of them.
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In PWI's eyes, him being AEW's current top star and his lengthy current AEW title reign outweighs Cody's status and TNT title reign. Same for him supplanting Jericho in terms of star status.

Actual in-ring and promo work quality factors less into their rankings than kayfabe.

Plus some other criteria they use that actually benefits AEW more than WWE like a bigger emphasis on wins/loss record.

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Moxley has also had a very good run in NJPW. Capturing the US title twice and having a great run in the G-1. He probably wouldn’t be my pick but I get why he might be someone else’s.
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Old 08-29-2020, 07:14 PM   #57040
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There’s nothing to defend. I just didn’t remember him saying it. I must have zoned out. He’s not wrong. Wrestling is way better when people stick to kayfabe. It should be part of the job. If Sonya and Mandy are feuding, they shouldn’t be going to get their nails done together or whatever.
I don’t think it accomplishes anything in the current era of wrestling. The rise of the internet killed that aspect of the business completely. Thanks to the web, every wrestling fan is a smart mark now. This incident didn’t expose anything that people didn’t already know. No one assumed they stopped hanging out and being friends because of this feud just like no one assumed Gargano and Ciampa stopped being friends. Everyone knows it’s a work. The difference is that one of those feuds made you forget during the actual programming because everyone from the talent to the creative did a great job in making it an intriguing story.

And that’s really all they can do. Put on a product that captures the fans emotions, and makes them forget for a little while what they already know. But as far as recapturing the “magic” that wrestling once had, well that’s gone forever. The genie is out of the bottle, and no amount of adhering to kayfabe outside of the workplace, no matter how strict, will ever get it back in.

And again, I say all this within reason. No one should be outright throwing away kayfabe in the fans faces like the previously mentioned omega/Jericho podcast.
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