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Old 08-31-2020, 07:45 PM   #57081
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Right, on their own Network. They didn't go on USA until they had to compete with AEW.

The NBA is a big draw for TNT, so it wouldn't matter what show was coming there. It was going to take a backseat of sorts. When the TV talks ramped up, AEW realized this and moved to Wednesday because it made more sense.

There are things to crap on AEW for, but this weird schedule thing you're fixated on isn't one of them.
I'm not crapping on AEW for that, it's the narrative I have the issue with. USA knew they were looking Smackdown going all the way back to June 2018, which by the way, was months before All In, so months and months before AEW was even a thing. Is it a coincidence then that USA added NXT at the same time they were looking Smackdown, or was it something they were going to do all along.

WWE doesn't just get to tell USA that USA has to give them 2 hours on Wednesday nights and pay WWE a million dollars a week to do that.

If it was that easy why wouldn't Vince tell other networks they have to give him a show and pay him money for it?

NXT is on USA because USA wanted to replace the 2 hours of wrestling they were losing with a different 2 hours of wrestling. Meltzer and AEW talk about it constantly, Vince is afraid AEW, Vince put show on to hurt AEW, Vince bad, AEW good.

AEW didn't HAVE to go with TNT. They had so many offers, at least according to Meltzer, that if they wanted to run unopposed on Tuesday nights, then they could have. They took the TNT deal on Wednesdays because it was the best deal. That doesn't make them victims of WWE, no matter how much they want to sell that narrative to be the cool underdogs that are taking it to Vince McMahon. The same Vince McMahon that held them all back, and now they are gonna show him!

The entirety of AEW is a gimmick. It's a whole company portraying a kayfabe gimmick. It is carny at carny's finest, but at what point do they stand on their own? Every interview is about how WWE is bad, how everything they do is with the sole purpose of hurting AEW. Even the journalist in their payroll can't keep from falling all over themselves to push the narrative.

Nothing WWE does is good, it is all a horrible attempt to hurt AEW. Nothing AEW does is bad, everything they do is so great it is scaring Vince McMahon to death.

Give me a break.
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Old 08-31-2020, 07:47 PM   #57082
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USA Network wasn't even the first choice for NXT since WWE wanted FOX to bite on a third hour of programming and dangled both NXT and 205 Live in front of them.

Instead they only got NXT because FOX kept refusing but FOX was still interested in a third hour and as a studio show which is how WWE Backstage was born.

The fact it took WWE soo long to make an official announcement should have been a big clue they were scrambling back to USA Network and the deal was being made in reaction to AEW's official announcement. AEW made their official announcement in May while WWE didn't make their NXT announcement until August.

The October start date for AEW had a lot more to do with that being the start of the early Fall Sweep season and less about anything WWE-related. Both FOX and TNT wanted to have a few weeks of SD and Dynamite in the books in order to strengthen the appeal of their networks for new advertisers and/or get better deals with existing ones.

Considering SyFy hasn't aired any episode of NXT since back in the very early days, that should have been a clue WWE doesn't want to give AEW any unopposed days even if it means reairing taped NXT content.

WWE being able to sell more of their taped programming to networks is mainly due to how cheap that stuff is compared to regular tv programming. Its also part of the reason why they have been struggling to find a buyer for their live PPV stuff since nobody wants to pay the company their high asking price compared to other live sports content like UFC that generate much better buy numbers.
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Old 08-31-2020, 08:07 PM   #57083
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USA Network wasn't even the first choice for NXT since WWE wanted FOX to bite on a third hour of programming and dangled both NXT and 205 Live in front of them.

Instead they only got NXT because FOX kept refusing but FOX was still interested in a third hour and as a studio show which is how WWE Backstage was born.

The fact it took WWE soo long to make an official announcement should have been a big clue they were scrambling back to USA Network and the deal was being made in reaction to AEW's official announcement. AEW made their official announcement in May while WWE didn't make their NXT announcement until August.

The October start date for AEW had a lot more to do with that being the start of the early Fall Sweep season and less about anything WWE-related. Both FOX and TNT wanted to have a few weeks of SD and Dynamite in the books in order to strengthen the appeal of their networks for new advertisers and/or get better deals with existing ones.

Considering SyFy hasn't aired any episode of NXT since back in the very early days, that should have been a clue WWE doesn't want to give AEW any unopposed days even if it means reairing taped NXT content.

WWE being able to sell more of their taped programming to networks is mainly due to how cheap that stuff is compared to regular tv programming. Its also part of the reason why they have been struggling to find a buyer for their live PPV stuff since nobody wants to pay the company their high asking price compared to other live sports content like UFC that generate much better buy numbers.
Vince McMahon can't just tell a network to air his show, that is not how it works. NBC Universal probably didn't want to pay whatever the pre-emptive fee would be, something Vince has negotiated in TV contracts since going to Spike TV, so they offered Vince the Syfy timeslot at a rerun rate, and Vince accepted it.

That is certainly a far different scenario than Vince calling SyFy and demanding they air his show so AEW doesn't get ratings.
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Old 08-31-2020, 08:33 PM   #57084
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NBC cheapening out on paying a preemption fee doesn't make sense from their end. Maybe if they was a lower tier or less wealthy network, I could see that being the case although they wouldn't have put themselves in that situation to begin with.

I wouldn't be surprised if WWE just simply used their very tight connections with USA Network to help give them a favor from NBC for these next couple of weeks.
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Old 08-31-2020, 08:37 PM   #57085
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NBC cheapening out on paying a preemption fee doesn't make sense from their end. Maybe if they was a lower tier or less wealthy network, I could see that being the case although they wouldn't have put themselves in that situation to begin with.

I wouldn't be surprised if WWE just simply used their very tight connections with USA Network to help give them a favor from NBC for these next couple of weeks.
Why not, even if NXT on Syfy gets 200,000 viewers, im guessing that would be an improvement for what they normally get. They save money and get a better than normal rating, seems like a win win for Syfy/NBC.
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Old 08-31-2020, 09:00 PM   #57086
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They would need to double that amount or basically get around half of what they normally do on USA Network to match what SyFy gets for prime time on average.

https://ctv.kwayisi.org/networks/syfy/

Now if they manage to actually steal 200k from AEW this week, then yeah that's a major win on their end. All depends on how much of the crossover audience decides to watch the show and missed Tuesday's show.
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Old 08-31-2020, 09:32 PM   #57087
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Nothing WWE does is good, it is all a horrible attempt to hurt AEW. Nothing AEW does is bad, everything they do is so great it is scaring Vince McMahon to death.
Please quote exactly where I made any reference to this. Better yet, quote where anyone here has said anything like this.

Plenty of people say good and bad things about both companies. You continue to fall into "narratives" and complain when we point out how ridiculous you sound.
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Old 09-01-2020, 12:10 AM   #57088
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I have to pick up some tables for mom girlfriend's mother. My gf asked when I was going to get the tables. I replied "Get the tables!"

So just looked at me and said "is that some stupid wrestling thing"

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Old 09-01-2020, 12:15 AM   #57089
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Old 09-01-2020, 12:23 AM   #57090
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Old 09-01-2020, 12:28 AM   #57091
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Old 09-01-2020, 01:36 AM   #57092
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I have to pick up some tables for mom girlfriend's mother. My gf asked when I was going to get the tables. I replied "Get the tables!"

So just looked at me and said "is that some stupid wrestling thing"

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Time to take the Mae Young table ride.
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Please quote exactly where I made any reference to this. Better yet, quote where anyone here has said anything like this.

Plenty of people say good and bad things about both companies. You continue to fall into "narratives" and complain when we point out how ridiculous you sound.
Quote where I said that YOU said that.

Unless you or anybody here has been Dave Meltzer or a member of AEW'S roster all along, I wasn't referring to you or any other poster here.
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Quote where I said that YOU said that.

Unless you or anybody here has been Dave Meltzer or a member of AEW'S roster all along, I wasn't referring to you or any other poster here.
lol fuck off with that. You made a heavy generalization about AEW vs. WWE (as you've been doing for pages), now you're bitching out because I called you on it.
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Apparently spoilers for the 60-minute Iron Man match on tonight's episode of NXT have been leaked via PWI and the finish is going to be one of the dumbest ever in WWE/NXT history.
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I saw that, it sounds pretty dumb.

Good ol bait and switch, fans favorite type of booking.
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Outside of the women's division booking which generally has been handled very well for the most part, it does feel like NXT just books things week to week these days. Its not Vince McMahon level of badness but Triple H's plans to improve ratings and direction has been leaning more towards Vince's mindset for shows.

Ever since they went to USA Network, more of main roster bad habits with creative and booking have been gradually seeping into NXT Creative.
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I saw that, it sounds pretty dumb.

Good ol bait and switch, fans favorite type of booking.
What's the finish?
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Old 09-01-2020, 06:44 PM   #57109
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Outside of the women's division booking which generally has been handled very well for the most part, it does feel like NXT just books things week to week these days. Its not Vince McMahon level of badness but Triple H's plans to improve ratings and direction has been leaning more towards Vince's mindset for shows.

Ever since they went to USA Network, more of main roster bad habits with creative and booking have been gradually seeping into NXT Creative.
Do you think because they're "on TV" now, they think the product has to be kinda the same as the other shows because "brand synergy" or some shit?
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I'd say a mix of that and them losing their long term booking flexibility by switching from a monthly taped schedule to a weekly one.

Being in a war with AEW hasn't helped either since a lot of their booking has felt a lot more reactionary. Its also why they've been constantly tossing out TakeOver quality matches and title matches with little to no build to spike ratings and try to drive interest away from AEW.

In terms of the wrestling itself, the quality has mostly remained unchanged but another negative aspect has been popping up these past few years. The brand used to be a nice mix of developmental and indie stars getting the spotlight treatment but in recent years, NXT has leaned heavily towards pre-made indie stars getting the real focus and spotlight. John Pollock mentioned earlier in the year how recent TakeOver events barely have anyone from WWE's actual developmental system on the cards.
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I saw that, it sounds pretty dumb.

Good ol bait and switch, fans favorite type of booking.
I don't think it's bad at all. It's a logical finish.
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For a 60-minute 4-way Iron Man match that's a pretty terrible finish in store for tonight's NXT show.

Half of tonight's NXT is going to be just that match and the other half probably is going to be heavier on the commercial breaks side depending on how breaks are handled for the Iron Man match.
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The finish is

SPOILER: show

no one wins the ironman match, it's a tie so it can drag on to next week
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SPOILER: show


IT’S A
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According to WrestleVotes, this was the other plan being considered for tonight's NXT title Iron Man match.

SPOILER: show
Pat McAfee would have shown up to cost Adam Cole the chance to win the title. A winner would have been crowned unlike the plan that was used instead.
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lol fuck off with that. You made a heavy generalization about AEW vs. WWE (as you've been doing for pages), now you're bitching out because I called you on it.
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Guys, Dave Meltzer said WWE is going to reair NXT on Syfy, not because they are going to get paid for it, and not because some of the fans might not be able to watch it a day earlier in the week.

Nope, they are going to air a rerun of the previous day episode because they are super scared AEW will get better ratings unopposed. Just like they got a better rating unopposed last Thursday. Oh wait, they didn't though, but plans change, that will be $11.99.

He's such a good journalist!
Where exactly does that say @Screech??

So you called me out for something I didn't say. You can fuck off with that lol
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40 years ago today, Sting wrestled the Undertaker. It was Surfer Sting and "Mean Marc," but still.
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There's nothing wrong with a non-finish in wrestling. Internet wrestling fans are the fucking worst. Bunch of marks who don't even know that they are marks/resent the idea and look down on other marks.
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