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Old 05-29-2020, 05:36 PM   #1441
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They are beating the C show. People can pump up NXT all they want. It's still the C show the caters to a niche audience of a niche audience.
They’re beating WWE’s C-show. That WWE has, and still does, use their A-show talent on. Some people definitely over-hype that fact but I think you’re under-hyping it. It’s pretty much the best start that could be expected.

And I’m not even saying that’s as much praise of AEW as it is damning on WWE’s part. Putting their A-show stars on a primetime version of Velocity in the early 2000s and making them “Velocity champions” would have led to Velocity smoking any new competition. They’ve lost that luxury. That’s a pretty big deal in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 05-29-2020, 05:38 PM   #1442
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I think there's a lot of supposition going on here. The WWE Network is "probably" only strong enough to cover the live and DVR gaps? Where's that coming from? How do you know it's not 300k people from the US? That more than overtakes that gap. Plus you would have AEW viewers who would casually follow NXT having another day to actually keep up.

Is there any evidence that the Network audience skewers older? Streaming services are usually accessed by younger audiences. WWE still gets a lot of older fans to order things on PPV, which seems bass ackwards, but happens. I think that's where a lot of that "key demo" is for NXT. It's not that AEW is some hot young thang that people are really into -- the younger crowd just watches Thursdays on their tablets and shit.

It's one of the biggest spins Meltzer puts on things to make AEW look great. Droford is right, these audiences are probably way closer to being the same few saps who still try to give this bullshit a chance every week.
Because if the numbers were a lot stronger, then NXT would constantly be in the Top 2-3 for the Network's weekly show rankings when that hasn't been the case the past few months. Plus wouldn't need the Network for NXT if you have DVR capabilities on your tv to watch the show later.

Network likely does skew older considering how much its been struggling to grow compared to other streaming services and a lot of its content caters towards older WWE and wrestling fans.
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Old 05-29-2020, 05:40 PM   #1443
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Basically, WWE’s “niche of a niche” audience is becoming a higher and higher percentage of their overall audience because they’re losing the rest. And that “niche of a niche” audience now prefers something else.
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They’re beating WWE’s C-show. That WWE has, and still does, use their A-show talent on. Some people definitely over-hype that fact but I think you’re under-hyping it. It’s pretty much the best start that could be expected.

And I’m not even saying that’s as much praise of AEW as it is damning on WWE’s part. Putting their A-show stars on a primetime version of Velocity in the early 2000s and making them “Velocity champions” would have led to Velocity smoking any new competition. They’ve lost that luxury. That’s a pretty big deal in the grand scheme of things.
No different than Impact beating ECW
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They’re beating WWE’s C-show. That WWE has, and still does, use their A-show talent on. Some people definitely over-hype that fact but I think you’re under-hyping it. It’s pretty much the best start that could be expected.

And I’m not even saying that’s as much praise of AEW as it is damning on WWE’s part. Putting their A-show stars on a primetime version of Velocity in the early 2000s and making them “Velocity champions” would have led to Velocity smoking any new competition. They’ve lost that luxury. That’s a pretty big deal in the grand scheme of things.
I...dunno about that. Like, I loved me some Velocity back in the day, haha, but I don't think Chris Benoit vs. William Regal was going to smoke TNA or whatever. And the "A-show" talent in WWE aren't popping ratings on bigger shows, let alone smaller shows. I agree on that being an indictment, but using those stars on the show is mainly for their storytelling purposes and to just generate that content, content, content.

If NXT really wanted to beat AEW in the ratings, they'd have some a really big fucking angle by now. Daniel Bryan would have gone back to try and win the NXT Championship. Rey Mysterio and Ricochet would be having a best of seven series. The Bullet Club would have been feuding with The Undisputed Era. John Cena would have come back to humble Tomasso Ciampa for talking shit about the main roster and been the outside heel coming in. All those things are easy. Having Charlotte Flair win the NXT Women's Championship is...yeah, that's not them busting it.

And I personally think AEW could be doing much better. There's no reason you can't get the eyeballs that float around cable looking for wrestling onto you with a decent product. I honestly think the quality does matter, as it did with TNA.

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Because if the numbers were a lot stronger, then NXT would constantly be in the Top 2-3 for the Network's weekly show rankings when that hasn't been the case the past few months. Plus wouldn't need the Network for NXT if you have DVR capabilities on your tv to watch the show later.

Network likely does skew older considering how much its been struggling to grow compared to other streaming services and a lot of its content caters towards older WWE and wrestling fans.
Obviously some fans have jumped from the Network to watch on USA, so of course it would drop down the charts there. I mean, is there any data to suggest what number it gets? It just sounds like pure speculation either way. And I don't doubt not needing the Network for NXT. But if I had the Network, even if I didn't need it, I might will watch it on the Network instead of on DVR, so I don't really get that point. I'm sure some people do DVR it, and I've heard the numbers for that are quite high. But there's no way to tell whether those people have the Network or not.

I'm sure the Network has been struggling to grow, but what does that have to do with age and not just a market cap? And what content actually caters to older fans? I'm not fucking Ride Along, haha. What's to suggest younger people aren't watching NXT, 205 Live, old PPVs and documentaries on there? I mean, until we have the data we can't really say that it skewers towards old people. That's just what you want it to do, haha.
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If NXT really wanted to beat AEW in the ratings, they'd have some a really big fucking angle by now. Daniel Bryan would have gone back to try and win the NXT Championship. Rey Mysterio and Ricochet would be having a best of seven series. The Bullet Club would have been feuding with The Undisputed Era. John Cena would have come back to humble Tomasso Ciampa for talking shit about the main roster and been the outside heel coming in. All those things are easy. Having Charlotte Flair win the NXT Women's Championship is...yeah, that's not them busting it.
You sure about that? Obviously, Cena coming back for an NXT feud would be huge but they can’t even afford to drag him away from bigger and better things for the main product on a regular basis, much less NXT. As far as Bryan, Mysterio, Ricochet and Ciampa... Let’s be honest... None of them are much bigger of a draw than Charlotte. They’re all just cogs in the wheel at this point. If WWE were trying, they’d be doing exactly what they’re doing. They’d suddenly start mixing their C-show and A-show talent, oddly have the C-show beat the A-show on a brand war PPV, and then put a C-show title on an A-show star.

We can argue exactly how important it is but if you don’t think they’re trying given everything they’ve done, you’re in denial.
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No different than Impact beating ECW
We’re they head-to-head? And was it during the time where WWE was randomly throwing Batista and Flair in the main event? Because if it was and TNA was winning, they REALLY screwed the pooch.
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Don't think so since outside of that brief time Impact went against RAW, TNA/Impact usually avoided the days WWE had their shows on.
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You sure about that? Obviously, Cena coming back for an NXT feud would be huge but they can’t even afford to drag him away from bigger and better things for the main product on a regular basis, much less NXT. As far as Bryan, Mysterio, Ricochet and Ciampa... Let’s be honest... None of them are much bigger of a draw than Charlotte. They’re all just cogs in the wheel at this point. If WWE were trying, they’d be doing exactly what they’re doing. They’d suddenly start mixing their C-show and A-show talent, oddly have the C-show beat the A-show on a brand war PPV, and then put a C-show title on an A-show star.

We can argue exactly how important it is but if you don’t think they’re trying given everything they’ve done, you’re in denial.
Either in denial, delusional, or just an idiot.
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We’re they head-to-head? And was it during the time where WWE was randomly throwing Batista and Flair in the main event? Because if it was and TNA was winning, they REALLY screwed the pooch.
In 2007 they were for a bit. I remember hearing about it.
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Found that to be pretty interesting since a similar thing happened with Mondays becoming the new top day for wrestling after the Nitro vs. RAW rivalry had time to cement itself and kick things into a new gear.
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You sure about that? Obviously, Cena coming back for an NXT feud would be huge but they can’t even afford to drag him away from bigger and better things for the main product on a regular basis, much less NXT. As far as Bryan, Mysterio, Ricochet and Ciampa... Let’s be honest... None of them are much bigger of a draw than Charlotte. They’re all just cogs in the wheel at this point. If WWE were trying, they’d be doing exactly what they’re doing. They’d suddenly start mixing their C-show and A-show talent, oddly have the C-show beat the A-show on a brand war PPV, and then put a C-show title on an A-show star.

We can argue exactly how important it is but if you don’t think they’re trying given everything they’ve done, you’re in denial.
With Cena it's not so much that they can't afford him as it would be insurance and risking his film schedule. But they could have very easily put him on NXT for his most recent run.

I really wouldn't argue too much with Bryan, Mysterio, Ricochet, etc. being just cogs in the machine. But that's why it's amazing to people act like Charlotte was sent there like it was some revolutionary attempt to encourage 200k more people to watch NXT. It's kind of the point, haha.

There is no way anyone can look at NXT and think "Man, WWE have really tried to make that show a priority." Charlotte Flair winning the Women's Title is not that thing, as much as a bunch of dolts with 15-year-old boy syndrome want to pretend it is. Adam Cole beating Daniel Bryan on SmackDown one week isn't that thing either. You'll know when NXT becomes the priority, if that happens. All roads will lead there instead of from there.

It's AEW and AEW fans that think Vince McMahon is paying them any attention at all. They're 800k viewers on a Wednesday and a $45 million TV rights deal. And because Dave Meltzer talks to them, and possibly to keep subscribers coming back and because the guy running AEW was an Observer guy, it's important to push the narrative that AEW is a threat.

That's why you get things like Dave setting expectations for their TV low. And him conflating domestic PPV buys with international PPV buys in order to say things like "AEW does better on PPV than anyone since WCW." Never mind ECW used to get 99k PPV buys quite regularly from domestic and terrestrial PPV. AEW can be ordered virtually anywhere in the world via a smart phone and it only gets 100k and about two thirds of that from the US. It's why you hear the "key demo" (in 2020 in relation to an ageing medium, mind you) is mentioned almost exclusively when it comes to Dynamite, whereas it's largely ignored when it comes to Raw and SmackDown. It's also why he reports their production cost TV deal being extended like it's a major shocking new development, whereas when WWE re-announces the Saudi deal, Vince comes under fire from the same sources. I've got no problem with Vince coming under fire, but when Tony Khan pulls the same shit he should get the same shit.

And I don't mind Dave being biased -- I really don't. It's a very American thing to expect journalists to be unbiased, I think. I just think it's frustrating that the other more realistic doesn't get as much playtime. And it doesn't make Dave's perspective true.

Sorry to go on that tangent, but I'm just sick of the bullshit narrative that Vince McMahon gives two flying fucks about AEW being pushed. Fucking Meltzer couldn't even keep their names out of his mouth when the XFL folded, haha.
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I appreciate the blue sky thinking when it comes to AEW. I was right there until they started chopping and changing booking plans for reasons that made ZERO sense and no one called them out on it. Then they did that Casino Battle Royale and it was done for me. First match. World Title shot. Glacier. Fucking idiots. I'm sorry, but it's just bad. There's no two ways around it. It's not "not perfect." That's absolutely atrocious booking -- and it was the first thing they did. And they loved it so much they did the same thing with ladders a year later -- even after the owner said it was a mistake to do it in the first place.

As someone who gives a shit about wrestling and wants it to get better, I just can't stand that people still stand by a company that is making Vince McMahon more powerful. And there is a time to call a spade a spade. AEW is PWG with a budget and some real late-stage WCW style booking. If we're lucky we might get someone else giving it a shot in another 20 years. Have fun with anyone worth a shit in AEW jumping ship to the WWE within the next five, by the way, haha. If you want to be recognized at an airport, you still need Vince McMahon more than ever.
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Seems SD's increase with last week's episode might not be accurate due to issues with FOX's broadcast. Some stations were not airing SD and instead were covering the riots during that time slot.

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Also based on some new data, AEW managed to hit 1 million viewers at one point during last week's episode. Think it would be the first time since launch month or so where AEW had that happen during the middle of a show.

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The peak number of AEW's Battle Royal on Wednesday topped 1 million total viewers and 500,000 in 18-49 from the point of Orange Cassidy coming in and the finish. Tony Khan came up with the storyline for the match of Cassidy getting destroyed early, disappearing and coming back at the end. Cody and Khan came up with the detail work on the match and the producers were Christopher Daniels, Colt Cabana and Billy Gunn. The Battle Royal actually beat the Mike Tyson segment.
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I really wouldn't argue too much with Bryan, Mysterio, Ricochet, etc. being just cogs in the machine. But that's why it's amazing to people act like Charlotte was sent there like it was some revolutionary attempt to encourage 200k more people to watch NXT. It's kind of the point, haha. .
Well, no. Your point is that they aren’t trying. WE know Charlotte isn’t a huge star. For them she’s one of the biggest stars in the company and one of the most decorated superstars in WWE history. Our ability to see through the bullshit doesn’t mean she’s not a big deal in WWE’s mind. Hence putting her on the C-show is clearly an attempt to get eyes on the C-show. Otherwise they just... wouldn’t do it.

And I knew nothing about Adam Cole beating Daniel Bryan. But again, they wouldn’t have the C-show start and WIN a brand war against Raw and Smackdown at Survivor Series if they weren’t trying.
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I appreciate the blue sky thinking when it comes to AEW. I was right there until they started chopping and changing booking plans for reasons that made ZERO sense and no one called them out on it. Then they did that Casino Battle Royale and it was done for me. First match. World Title shot. Glacier. Fucking idiots.
On a side note, it’s weird the Glacier seems to be your main issue with that battle royal. Lol
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Fucker was one of the most credible guys in that thing.
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Well, no. Your point is that they aren’t trying. WE know Charlotte isn’t a huge star. For them she’s one of the biggest stars in the company and one of the most decorated superstars in WWE history. Our ability to see through the bullshit doesn’t mean she’s not a big deal in WWE’s mind. Hence putting her on the C-show is clearly an attempt to get eyes on the C-show. Otherwise they just... wouldn’t do it.

And I knew nothing about Adam Cole beating Daniel Bryan. But again, they wouldn’t have the C-show start and WIN a brand war against Raw and Smackdown at Survivor Series if they weren’t trying.
They aren't trying that hard is my point, and certainly not as hard AEW's most annoying members of their audience claim. They aren't hot-shotting or pulling panic moves. They don't load the cards with their most globally recognized talent. They're even taking talent away from them. The Saudi Arabia thing grounding WWE talent was a happy accident, but it's not like the NXT stars are on SmackDown every week and that WWE screams "Watch NXT!" every week.

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On a side note, it’s weird the Glacier seems to be your main issue with that battle royal. Lol
He's just the example I use. Because it's fucking Glacier. There were way worse people in that match, true. But it's fucking Glacier. Also, Tommy Dreamer and Billy Gunn were there. In a match with World Title implications. In 2019. And it's fucking Glacier.
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It was their first show. It’s not like they had time to build up a bunch of stars. I don’t think having some older wrestlers fill out the 21 guys fighting to be your first champion is that offensive.

I’m just saying if I were you, I’d have gone with the fucking legless dude or the fucking fat backyard wrestler to make my point WAY before fucking Glacier.
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If it's your first show, maybe don't book a Battle Royal for a World Title shot? Why not use all of the to make my point. I don't use Glacier to exclude anyone else. By the way, not sure if you remember, but Glacier actually froze someone during the match.
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RAW took a beating from news last night, I don't think I've ever seen it at 12, 13 & 17 before.


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4.178 million for the Rock/Titan Games on NBC
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That’s what I’m telling you. If The Rock started up a pro-wrestling company, it would do huge numbers. It’ll be massive. AEW can keep their 800k on a Wednesday or whatever, and Rock can do 3 or 4 million on a Tuesday.
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That’s what I’m telling you. If The Rock started up a pro-wrestling company, it would do huge numbers. It’ll be massive.
I genuinely just cropped a similar sentiment out of my previous post because I thought it seemed too out there.

It's true though, one man's brand is several times stronger than WWE as a whole.
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Looks like SD didn't do as well as originally thought

(OTIS still bringing those ratings tho, #oWo)
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FOX being more than willing to pre-empt SD for news is probably a bit worrying on WWE's end.
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Jesus Christ, Dave Meltzer is so full of shit these days. An estimated 100k from an audience of 2 million? And Dave felt “weird” looking at? Double it and it still wouldn’t be a big deal for anyone who looks at Nielsen numbers.

Then you get apostles like Smeat spreading all this wank about how WWE should be concerned about their 0.7 key demo share (usually the best of the night). If it were AEW getting a 0.35 and still getting smashed in terms of overall viewership, Smelly Meatball wouldn’t be saying that shit.

So fucking annoying. I know people are biased and believe everything they read, but 2.17 million people looked weird to Dave Meltzer? 2.05 million, ah, there we go. Come off it lol.
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He's saying he thought it was weird because when the overnight SmackDown number came out (2.15m), he said that the final number is going to probably drop when it figures in the news coverage. Then the "final" number came out and it was initially listed as more than the overnight number, that's why he "thought it was weird"... When it was corrected, his prediction that it would drop was right

Calm down man...
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The fuck did I do to deserve this shit from Noid.

Since he thinks he's better, he can handle the sheet news for the forums from now on.
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I have a feeling both NXT and AEW are going to take a beating from Cable News this week too.
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He's saying he thought it was weird because when the overnight SmackDown number came out (2.15m), he said that the final number is going to probably drop when it figures in the news coverage. Then the "final" number came out and it was initially listed as more than the overnight number, that's why he "thought it was weird"... When it was corrected, his prediction that it would drop was right

Calm down man...
That makes a little more sense if the number grew crazily. But to look at a number and think it looks weird when it's off by 100k at that size is just Dave being a douche on Twitter and doing the whole "AEW = good/WWE = bad" thing.

What's wrong with saying "2.15 million to 2.07 million," or whatever the number is, "not much of a drop"?

Smeat, I'm not blaming you for what Dave said, lol. It's just the bullshit sentiment that he's anything other than completely biased one way at this point. Not so much all the news he gets -- I'm absolutely not echoing the line that he's always just guessed and whatever -- but anything as it pertains to AEW/WWE he's just waaaaaay off on all the time, and that extends to his commentary on the ratings.

SmackDown kills it in the "key demo" every week. I personally think that's an antiquated way to look at television in 2020, since TV audiences are no doubt going to skewer older and there are way more effective ways to market to younger people (react videos on YouTube). But they're an antiquated as advertisers want them to be. But that key demo is never talked about. Nor is Raw's, which absolutely slaughters AEW's on basic cable. Nah, that ruins the narrative that WWE's audience is a bunch of old fogies and AEW's got the cool, hip crowd -- which they just don't. They only beat NXT in that demo because, and I guarantee this, the younger audience either DVRs or Network watches it, because that's just easier when they're doing the whole "support the new guys" thing. If you got those numbers, I bet you'd find there isn't much a difference between the people who watch AEW and the people who watch NXT. But that doesn't suit the Meltzer agenda, which is to help get his newsletter over by appealing to the hardcore fans, and by making the promotion run by a guy who has admitted to reading him look more competent and deliberate than it is. And because he likes them.

People are going to be biased. Even Meltzer. He really doesn't have any obligation not to be. He's forced himself to watch boring, bland, shit WWE for hours and hours each week long after most of us have given up. Of course he's going to like the wrestling equivalent to a cat shitting on a toilet. But it would just be nice if people would -- not "call it out," per se -- but acknowledged it.

* Vince McMahon didn't get involved in NXT.

* WWE didn't try to completely steamroll AEW. They slowed it down and are waiting it out.

* $45 million would have covered production costs for a show in 2016. AEW says their shows are cheaper, but there's something fishy going on there when they had that production deal and it suddenly gets "increased" to $45 million, per Dave's reporting on it.

* WWE are idiots when they don't promote NXT that heavily on their main roster so as to not go for broke right out the gate. This is all the while they are definitely, completely going for broke out the gate, but rushing programs like Adam Cole vs. Tommaso Ciampa, which finally led to a match between the two, what, four months after NXT started on USA?

* They were definitely trying to get the jump on AEW by starting earlier on USA. It couldn't just be that they wanted to piggy-back off the final episodes of Suits and debut programming unopposed to anything else in the genre in order to promote their scope to networks when they inevitably decide they want a new show another $100 million per year or so. Nope. Definitely thought that no one would watch a brand new wrestling promotion on TNT outside their umbrella hard over those first months.

I get it's fun to call the WWE idiots and think of them as the evil empire. A lot of the shit they do is completely evil. But there's this false level of incompetence assigned to a promotion that has set itself up to generate over $500 million in revenue every year, all designed to make Vince McMahon a billionaire. No one really gives a shit if Tony Khan gets to send $2.5 million back to his dad every year because TNT rounded up production costs. Yet we have to put up with Dave saying "I'm not saying they're winning, but they've won." Come off it.
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I have a feeling both NXT and AEW are going to take a beating from Cable News this week too.
I don't know if they're going to take a beating because of the news. People watch wrestling and other shows to distract themselves some ways, and with a 24/7 news cycle, people can schedule their entertainment around in a way that the news isn't really "competing" with wrestling like people say.

I mean, more people are going to watch the news with all this stuff going on, but I doubt they were people who were watching AEW and NXT anyway. Not in any significant movement, anyway. People can watch AEW or NXT and look at their phones. Or they can flick over to the news before and after. They'll be down in the overall placements, but I just think the idea that the news "cuts into" wrestling is a bit exaggerated, and was used in the early stages of the pandemic to explain away boring shows.
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I'd just like to say that I too immediately thought "Fuck off Meltzer, you look weird to me!" when I read the Tweet.
He's a gimp.
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